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Swiss Planning Return To Pakistan  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

According to a poster at another board LX are looking to start service to Islamabad from 2008, no other details.

Swiss quit Pakistan in winter 2005 they were operating four times weekly to Karachi via Dubai with A332, for a year or more they also used A340 on two of the services.

[Edited 2007-11-08 12:12:05]

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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

What poster at what other board? First time i hear of that. I'll have to consult my sources.

User currently offlineSr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

LX just needs more widebodies. Heard that entries into Oman by Swiss citizens have increased by 63% compared to the year before. So an option could be

4/w ZRH - DXB - MCT
3/w ZRH - DXB - Islamabad
3/w ZRH - MCT - Islamabad

providing daily (almost) flights to all three destinations and only requiring the capacity of half an A332


User currently offlineA380BWI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

A good time for any airline to go into Pakistan to grab the business due to the lack of the PK's own leadership. Good to know about Swiss going back there. More choices for travellers.

User currently offlineSr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

It is not more than a rumor. Honestly I regard the chances as quite low.

User currently offlineEYFlyer88 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

It might happen.. over the past months PK has suspended service to the following cities in Europe:

Amsterdam
Athens
Frankfurt
Moscow
Rome

**Zurich was terminated in 1997
**Geneva was terminated in the 1970s

Keep in mind though, when PK pulled its FRA service, LH started up FRA/KHI/LHE/FRA.

I can see LX and maybe others coming back after some time... lets just wait and see.



There is no sport equal to that which aviators enjoy while being carried through the air on great white wings. - Wilbur
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting Sr176 (Reply 4):
Honestly I regard the chances as quite low.

So do I. There certainly are more attractive destinations for LX than Pakistan.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting Sr176 (Reply 2):
providing daily (almost) flights to all three destinations and only requiring the capacity of half an A332

= I am confused with the logic here. How does only 1/2 a A332 serve this route? I would think they would need a dedicated one for this purpose no?

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 6):
Quoting Sr176 (Reply 4):
Honestly I regard the chances as quite low.

So do I. There certainly are more attractive destinations for LX than Pakistan.

= I have to agree. Have you opened any news paper of late for the situation in Pakistan? Newsweek considers it the most dangerous place in the world ... not Iraq. Having said that, LX could create a total niche market into Pakistan and pretty much have the market to themselves. OS did it with Iraq. Now here is my question ... OS and UAL to KWI both get tons of premium demand. Is there the same for LX to Pakistan? Or would this route be primarily VFR in which case I do not think LX would venture.

Cheers,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 7):
I am confused with the logic here. How does only 1/2 a A332 serve this route? I would think they would need a dedicated one for this purpose no?

I think he meant that they need 1/2 A330 in addition to the dedicated aircraft that is currently flying the daily ZRH-DXB-MCT.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4766 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 7):
OS and UAL to KWI both get tons of premium demand. Is there the same for LX to Pakistan?
Or would this route be primarily VFR in which case I do not think LX would venture.

yes it would be the same for LX if they flew to ISB as they will get a lot of F & J class traffic from the EU/USA/Canada embassy staff + other forms of corporate traffic since many intl firms operating in PAK have their HQ in ISB.

look at EKs & BA's J class loads on ISB...both are vvv high

BA stands to lose out the most if LX flies into ISB mainly due to LX's ZRH hub location which is in central europe thus not requiring EU bound embassy staff to back track from LHR to their home country  Wink


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
yes it would be the same for LX if they flew to ISB as they will get a lot of F & J class traffic from the EU/USA/Canada embassy staff + other forms of corporate traffic since many intl firms operating in PAK have their HQ in ISB.

look at EKs & BA's J class loads on ISB...both are vvv high

BA stands to lose out the most if LX flies into ISB mainly due to LX's ZRH hub location which is in central europe thus not requiring EU bound embassy staff to back track from LHR to their home country

= Makes very good sense ... though, I was under the impression that embassy/ngo/dev crowd also flies a lot via the Near East? Perhaps those carriers wont like LX entry as well then.

-A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

However no further expansion seems to be planned as the widebody fleet is not planned to get increases further besides the current expansion. One indicator is also the order of only 9 and not more A333's or could there be possible options involved that could make this order be increased?

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Swiss quit Pakistan in winter 2005 they were operating four times weekly to Karachi via Dubai with A332, for a year or more they also used A340 on two of the services.

..they also used to fly the MD-11 to KHI..the routing was ZRH-DXB-KHI.....



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Thye never used MD-11 if they did it must have been a one off service in place of the regular A330 or A340.

User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 13):
Thye never used MD-11 if they did it must have been a one off service in place of the regular A330 or A340.

They did in fact use the MD11 before the A330s joined the fleet.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

I know they gained MD-11 gained from Swissair fleet, but they never operated those to Karachi.

User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 15):
I know they gained MD-11 gained from Swissair fleet, but they never operated those to Karachi.

They didn't under the SWISS brand, but they did as SR, which is the same. I'm 120% sure.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 13):
Thye never used MD-11 if they did it must have been a one off service in place of the regular A330 or A340.



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 16):
but they did as SR, which is the same

 checkmark ....I should have been a bit more clear..they flew the MD-11 when they were the old "Swiss Air".... Smile



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 16):
SWISS brand, but they did as SR, which is the same

Which its not, two totally different airlines.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
should have been a bit more clear..they flew the MD-11 when they were the old "Swiss Air"....

Which era was that in? I dont ever recall seing their MD-11 at KHI.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 18):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
should have been a bit more clear..they flew the MD-11 when they were the old "Swiss Air"....

Which era was that in? I dont ever recall seing their MD-11 at KHI.

..mid to late 1990's.....I should know, I flew on it a few times.... Wink ZRH-DXB-KHI.... Smile



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 18):

Which its not, two totally different airlines.

Oh yeah, you should know  Yeah sure


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Different name, different IATA code means a different airline, even though there may be everything Swissair about it.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2101 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
..mid to late 1990's.....I should know, I flew on it a few times.... ZRH-DXB-KHI....

Interesting, back in 1998 I saw an SR A310 at KHI maybe MD-11 were being used in addition to the Airbus, Swissair were very particular about promoting new developments through advertisements and even billboards, they advertised A310 via AUH and DXB in early 90s and the A332 introduction and frequency increase when that aircraft came in, but never ever announced MD-11 service on the route.


User currently offlineFlySwiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 443 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

In 1990 flew with SR DC10 to KHI on the way to PEK and in the late 90's again but I can not remember which a/c but if I am right it was a direct flight.


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2042 times:



Quoting 777way (Reply 22):

So you insist that SR never flew MD11s to KHI? Alright, I'll stop trying. Even my dad who worked for SR for decades donfirmed it.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Not denying it, but find it strange that they never promoted the service, considering it was big upgrade from the A310.

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