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User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

This is my first post to a.net. (Thank you! Please, hold the applause...)

How does Southwest determine which routes use the -500's with twelve fewer seats than the -300's and the -700's? Logic says they would put these planes on smaller routes. But after checking flightaware.com, I noticed that all the -500's are on very old routes. (Those that have been around from approx. 1990.)

Does Southwest leave their -500's on their original routes, and not worry about the twelve extra seats? Do they truly spend any time deciding which routes get the -300, -500, or -700?

Thanks.


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6266 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

Quoting BooDog (Thread starter):
But after checking flightaware.com, I noticed that all the -500's are on very old routes.

Not 100% sure...I flew a 735 last Sunday MCI-DAL, and that's a fairly new route in the scheme of things thanks to Wright. I am not completely sure how they decide...I have flown them on a lot of different routes, out of a lot of different cities...MCI, MDW, STL, DAL, SAT, BHM, BNA...


User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

I'm just guessing, but probably the less popular, yet still very profitable, routes like JAX-IND or MHT-PHX. But, IND-JAX could be a little bit of a waste of the range the 735 has, but there are the newer 736s for that. Maybe the older routes are less popular-which ones are you talking about?


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6266 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7302 times:

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 2):
but there are the newer 736s for that.

You do know WN has no 736's, right?


User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

You do know WN has no 736s, right?

Oh, no i didn't. sorry...  blush 



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7262 times:

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 4):
You do know WN has no 736s, right?

Oh, no i didn't. sorry...

I have noticed this a few other threads, and noticed you are a new member, but to quote someone else so it looks like the above, you highlight what you want to quote, and then click "Selected Text Quoted" on the upper right hand side of every post. Just trying to help out a new member!!



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1665 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 1):
I flew a 735 last Sunday MCI-DAL

I did that too, except not on a Sunday. The plane was completely full.



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6266 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 6):
I did that too, except not on a Sunday. The plane was completely full.

Yeah it was packed Sunday. I'm flying DAL-MCI tomorrow, but it looks to be on a 733.

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 4):
Oh, no i didn't. sorry...  

No worries, mate. No need to say you're sorry. Never be sorry for not knowing something...I see this website as an educational one. If someone is mad or critical of you not knowing something, the hell with them.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

In order to determine where the -500s go, we have this big dart board, and start pitching the 25 darts about 6:00 pm each night to see where the aircraft will end up....  Wink

Seriously, we have dedicated "lines" on the flow chart for the -500s, and they usually stay on those, wthin Texas or close to it ,or the central time zone. A few still escape onto other city-pairs, but we try and corral them back onto their lines...


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6266 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Seriously, we have dedicated "lines" on the flow chart for the -500s, and they usually stay on those, wthin Texas or close to it ,or the central time zone. A few still escape onto other city-pairs, but we try and corral them back onto their lines...

So when are they gone from the fleet? There are so few left, I imagine they can't have much WN life left in them. Please send them SW's way, we need new 737's!  Wink


User currently offlineMidway7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

I used to fly the last flight of the day STL-MDW quite frequently and the 735 was common. This was back when that flight used to originate in HOU.

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 9):
So when are they gone from the fleet? There are so few left, I imagine they can't have much WN life left in them.

Beats me. We still have the same 25 in the fleet. The first -300 from Nov 1984 is still flying, and seeing as the first -500 didn't get here til 1989 or so, I figure they'll be here at least another 5 years before the oldest start to be retired...


User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
I have noticed this a few other threads, and noticed you are a new member, but to quote someone else so it looks like the above, you highlight what you want to quote, and then click "Selected Text Quoted" on the upper right hand side of every post. Just trying to help out a new member!!

Thanks,I've been wondereing about that.  blush 



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User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Seriously, we have dedicated "lines" on the flow chart for the -500s, and they usually stay on those, wthin Texas or close to it ,or the central time zone. A few still escape onto other city-pairs, but we try and corral them back onto their lines...

Thanks for the answer.



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1665 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 2):
I'm just guessing, but probably the less popular, yet still very profitable, routes like JAX-IND or MHT-PHX.

MHT-PHX. Does the 735 have that range. That is 5hr 3min westbound. Besides, on flightaware, it says it has a 737 on that route. That would probably be to long.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3389 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

Quoting BooDog (Thread starter):
This is my first post to a.net. (Thank you! Please, hold the applause...)

Welcome to a.net!

I'd imagine the 500s probably stay pretty close to Texas as the -200s did before they were retired. It's a small enough subfleet anyway.



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User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5111 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6671 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14):
Besides, on flightaware, it says it has a 737 on that route

"737" on Flightaware refers to a 737-700. If the route were operated by a 737-500, you'd see "735."

A 737-500 could do MHT-PHX at most times of year, but to my knowledge WN never operates them on routes that long. Like OPNLguy said, they seem to stay within or close to Texas.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 16):
but to my knowledge WN never operates them on routes that long. Like OPNLguy said, they seem to stay within or close to Texas.

I wouldn't say "never"--and I did say that some of the -500s "escape" their normal footprint once in awhile...  Wink


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14):
MHT-PHX. Does the 735 have that range. That is 5hr 3min westbound. Besides, on flightaware, it says it has a 737 on that route. That would probably be to long.

Flight 1917 MHT-PHX is on a 73G before continuing on to SAN and terminating in SFO. So I think the 73G's do the route the most.



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User currently offlineUniTED From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6144 times:

I've noticed the same thing with United: their use of 735/733 is sporatic, and often interchangable. I don't see any rhyme or reason to the routes/times of day where a 735 is used. We don't see them at dulles anymore, though.

User currently onlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6271 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6112 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 17):
I wouldn't say "never"--and I did say that some of the -500s "escape" their normal footprint once in awhile... Wink

Yup, my mom had one from LAS-ELP a couple of weeks back (not that she knew it, but Flight Aware gave away the aircraft type  Wink ). However, ELP-anywhere else in Texas it is not uncommon to get a 735 on WN...



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User currently offlineHUbsnotDubs From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6112 times:

Forgive me folks if this is a stupid question... I know that WN started to put winglets on thier 300's are there any plans to do the same for the 500's

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6079 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
The first -300 from Nov 1984 is still flying

Do you happen to know how many hours and cycles she has accumulated?



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User currently offlineSWAOPSusafATC From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5992 times:

Quoting BooDog (Thread starter):
How does Southwest determine which routes use the -500's with twelve fewer seats than the -300's and the -700's?

Just a small correction. 735 has 122 733/7 have 137 so 15 fewer. Nit picking.. I used to hate getting a -300 on our PVD PHX rte every so often.


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5876 times:

Are the ex-Ford 73G's still in the 128 seat configuration?


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25 FRAspotter : No such thing as a "stupid question" on a.net. Besides, your question is well founded, anything but "stupid". In reference to you question, I was loo
26 Post contains links PHLBOS : A 735 is merely a shortened version of the 733, so yes a winglet designed for a 733 could conceivably be used on a 735. http://www.aviationpartnersbo
27 BooDog : This got me thinking.... Does Southwest have any pilot bases that are exclusively -700? Does the -300 and the -500 have the same pilot-type rating? If
28 Cactus739 : I had one a couple about two years ago on a SEA-PHX flight. Was like a little rocket taking off from Seattle.... nice flight... So pretty much the sam
29 RamperMAF : We see WN735s out here at MAF all the time, as well as most of the older 733s. Before I became a ramper for MQ out here, I was a fueler and was always
30 PAHS200 : i believe that its all one type rating
31 Iowaman : If there is any type of decent payload they would have to use a 73G on that route because of range issues on the -300. No pilot bases, however, SNA i
32 FlyHoss : The API winglet for the 737-500 is now certified (perhaps they'll update their website soon). There are at least 2 wingletted -500s flying at CO. All
33 OPNLguy : In the waning days of the -200, crews for them were only out of a couple, and then only a single base. Since they're gone, crews from any base can fl
34 Post contains images AirframeAS : While that is true, although not by choice. SNA is pretty restricted in terms of noise levels and the 73G's level is pretty low compared to its count
35 Post contains images 747fan : Yes there is: "When will NW retire their DC-9's?" Anyways...does anybody know how many of WN's 733's have been wingletted? I know that WN didn't opt
36 DelawareUSA : Why did SW purchase the -500? At the time I can't think of any routes that they needed the little extra range on. Selling the extra seats once a day o
37 OPNLguy : I suspect BUR will also be at some point--they're immune from what we call "RWY 33-itis" that affects the 733s and 735s. We flew interchangeably betw
38 Post contains images KELPkid : Wasn't this either the first or the second customer -300 delivered? I seem to recall that there was some contention as to whether it was WN or US Air
39 Post contains images Flighty : I think that would have been Piedmont
40 Post contains images OPNLguy : There's a picture out in the hall with aircraft in both airline's paint schemes, and I'll see if I can get a registration number off theirs. As best
41 Post contains images LASOctoberB6 : .......What's that thread in the non-av section, "who would you bang"? I don't think I've seen that ship with my own two eyes.. Are there any pics in
42 Post contains images KELPkid : Which one? Launch customer? First to be delivered? First to fly in revenue service? Happy A.net birthday, BTW...
43 Post contains images OPNLguy : Yep, both until sometime in 1Q2008. All 4 will get wingletted, N271LV painted, and all 4 get HUDs, last I heard... The pictures get moved every so of
44 Post contains links Super80DFW : After looking at www.flightaware.com on their live traking for 735's, today's Flt. 84 goes OAK-ONT-PHX-MCI. Except that all of the others either were
45 747fan : I don't know if WN's 735's have the standard MTOW or the higher one, I think they have the lower MTOW; maybe someone can provide that info. What I do
46 Tdscanuck : I've got the giggles thinking about dispatchers as "airplane wranglers". There's a really good TV commercial in that somewhere. There's (at least) tw
47 OPNLguy : MBRW- 133.5 MZFW- 102.5 MLW- 110.0 Sometimes, it's not just a matter of range, or takeoff weight at the departure point, or landing weight at the des
48 N702ML : I can tell you, in the previous month I have worked a -500 on.... Dallas-Austin Austin-Phoenix Dallas-Oklahoma City Oklahoma City-Las Vegas Saint Loui
49 Silver1SWA : SAN gets a daily -500 route or two about every other schedule change or so. Just a couple months ago we had one -500 RON every night.
50 AirframeAS : Silver1SWA: Which flight numbers/city pairs do the 735's operate into SAN? I have yet to fly on a WN 735 and want the opportunity to do so.
51 Post contains links FlyHoss : CO pilots fly all 5 of CO's 737 types (-300, -500, -700, -800 and -900). UA has 2 versions, the -300 and -500. IIRC, AS pilots operate all 4 of their
52 DelawareUSA : Flighty From United States, joined Apr 2007, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Reply 39 Piedmont was launch for the 737-400, not -300. Peidmont was a great airline
53 Super80DFW : Last year I flew OKC-LAS, the once a day flight, on a -700. That must have been a fairly empty flight. On my flight, they were asking people to give
54 7E72004 : Is the -500 the shortest length 737 or is the -600?
55 Tdscanuck : It's actually the -100 (94'), then the -200 (100' 2"), then the -500 (101' 9"), then the -600 (102' 6") Tom.
56 7E72004 : I see...there weren't many 737-600s built were there? Did WN operate any?
57 BAKJet : I thought WN was the launch customer for the 736.
58 3201 : Maybe not dispatchers... ... there are more than just the dispatchers in an operation center. Thanks for that story, I was about to ask the follow-up
59 Post contains images OPNLguy : Nope. One type that's never been here. Really? Not a single click--each dispatcher in each sector has to take a look to see if that aircraft's flight
60 Lexy : Well, the US Navy has a 737-600. I'll let you guys pull up the pictures of it, but it's a former Lauda Airlines 737-600. That's really the only 737-60
61 Flighty : I stand corrected. US took several 733 in early 1984, along with WN launching the type. Up to that point, WN and US had both taken early-80s 732s. By
62 Post contains links and images AirframeAS : Indeed, you are correct! But it appears it is still owned by Laudia and leased by the U.S. Navy for crew training. View Large View MediumPhoto ©
63 7E72004 : Forgive any "ignorance," but is the -600 the last one of the "classic" 737 before the NGs (700s, 800s, and 900s)?
64 BAKJet : No the -500 is the last "classic" 737.
65 Phllax : LH was the launch customer for the -100 UA was the launch cstomer for the -200 US & SW wre the launch customers for the -300 PI was the launch custome
66 Da man : Um, I don't think Air Namibia launched the 737-300/500/700. Try WN ...
67 Jimbobjoe : Would you be able to comment on whether or not a 735 flight is more likely to overbook than a 733/73G flight?
68 Viscount724 : The only airline in North America operating the 737-600 is WestJet. 13 of their 67 737NGs are -600s (also 48 -700s and 6-800s).
69 N1120A : Few only in that they only ever had a relative few. The 25 in the fleet are the 25 WN took delivery of. Sort of like the -200s did before they retire
70 Planespotting : Ooh - I was there in the waning days of the 200. My last flight as a WN employee was a 732 from HOU-DAL...I sat in club seating - in style baby - the
71 Post contains images KELPkid : Too bad WN "re-modeled" the 733's and 735's and got rid of the club seating
72 AirframeAS : I disagree. AS stopped flying their 734's into/out of SNA long ago and its a full 737NG station for them. Its all about the noise restrictions.
73 Silver1SWA : I don't see any daily -500 routes through SAN, but it looks like we get a couple of -500s on the weekends. -Sat, 674 SJC-SAN turns out 1156 SAN-ELP -
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