Tomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9 Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 89120 times:
Breaking news from UIO, an IB A340-600 skids off the RWY, it seems that it has damaged the ILS suggesting that the takeoff was one off RWY17. Registration is confirmed EC-JOH according to ACARS. Flight was IB6463 UIO-GYE. News was taken from this Ecuatorian newspaper, Ecuadorinmediato.com:
Quoting Ecuadorinmediatio.com: Según últimos reportes, un avión de Iberia sufrió un incidente al salir de la pista del aeropuerto, sin estrellamiento. Al momento se evacuan a los pasajeros por parte de los organismos de socorro: Defensa Civil, personal de paramédicos de Quiport, Cruz Roja y Bomberos.
Según explicó Pilar Sánchez del Cuerpo de Bomberos de Quito, el percance no tuvo heridos graves, y tampoco se produjo estrellamiento.
Se cree que el mal despegue se habría producido por fallas en dos llantas.
According to the latest reports, an Iberia plane suffered an incident while skidding off the runway at Quito airport, not a crash. In this moment they are evacuating the passengers with the help of the rescue teams, Quiport paramedics, Red Cross and the Firefighters.
According to Pilar Sanchez from the Quito Firefighting team, the incident had no serious injuries on the people onboard and it was not a crash.
It is believed that the bad takeoff was produced by a failure in two wheels.
First off, confirmed now as the airport is estimated closed through at least 0300z. Per an eyewitness, one engine resting on the ground and cracks seen near the wing. So yes, some airplane damage, though being dark at the moment, may be a while before anything is seen on news sites.
"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
Tomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 88734 times:
Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 2): First off, confirmed now as the airport is estimated closed through at least 0300z. Per an eyewitness, one engine resting on the ground and cracks seen near the wing. So yes, some airplane damage, though being dark at the moment, may be a while before anything is seen on news sites.
Just in from the same newspaper:
Quoting Ecuadorinmediato.com: Según pudo confirmar ecuadorinmediato.com, la nave prácticamente está intacta, con excepción del tren de aterrizaje que está prácticamente enterrada, mientras que una parte de la punta de la nariz del avión se halla fuera de la pista.
Translation: Ecuadorinmediato confirmed that the airple is pratically intact with the exception of the main gear which is is practically burried, while one part of the airplane's nose is outside of the RWY.
Will be waiting for more info... UIO closed until further notice, I wonder where Airportmanager is now...
Per the other thread which I don't see anywhere (deleted due to duplication?), it was the inbound MAD-UIO IB6463 which is what made a bit more sense given the time of the incident. Numerous flights are delayed or have diverted (Southern Air has a B747F sitting in MIA for instance).
"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
Tomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 86788 times:
Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 11): it was the inbound MAD-UIO IB6463 which is what made a bit more sense given the time of the incident.
Yes, you are right, the first information indicated that it was an aborted takeoff, as well I took is as a fact since Flightstats.com had the MAD-UIO flight as landed, 15 minutes ago, when I checked the flight. But if you read below, it was actually landing.
Update: Now the same newspaper is confirming that the aircraft is badly damaged:
Quoting Ecuadorinmediato: Según testigos oculares consultados por Ecuadorinmediato.com, una de las turbinas del ala izquierda de la aeronave se incendió tras impactar con el terreno fangoso del áerea de seguridad de la cabecera del aeropuerto, sin embargo, la rápida acción del Cuerpo de Bomberos permitió sofocar en menos de quince segundos el percance.
According to witnesses consulted by Ecuadorinmediato, one of the left turbines caught fire while impacting the safety zone of the RWY threshold, the quick action of the Firefighting Team controlled the fire in less than 15 seconds.
It also points that is aircraft was landing:
Quoting Ecuadorinmediato: Se cree que el forzoso arribo se habría producido por fallas en el tren de aterrizaje, debido a la explosión de dos de sus llantas. Cabe señalar, además, que las condiciones metereológicas en Quito eran dificultosas para el transporte aéreo; en el momento del suceso llovía pertinazmente y se presentaban altos niveles de nubosidad.
It is believed that the hard landing was caused by problems in the landing gear due to the explosion of two of its tires. It is also important to point out that at the time of the incident, the weather conditions were difficult for the airplanes and it was raining constantly with high levels of clouds at the time.
A special METAR of 2209z (17:09 local time, incident at around 17:15) was:
Reduced visibility, constant rain, fog in the vicinity and few clouds at 500ft indicate it was not the best weather.
It also suggests that this plane crossed over the highway and is probably resting over it:
Quoting Ecuadorinmediato: El avión, un Airbus 340-600, se deslizó por la pista aérea, hacia la Avenida del Maestro y Gualaquiza (al norte de la capital), en el mismo sitio en que hace varios años un avión de Cubana de Aviación sufrió un percance parecido.
The airplane, an Airbus A340-600, skidded off the runway, towards the "Avenida (Avenue) del Maestro" and Gualaquiza, the same site where a Cubana airplane some years ago had a similar incident.
PyroGX41487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 86464 times:
Ouch. From those pictures, it looks like there may be some damage to the wing, from pylons being ripped off and that those engines will definitely need to be replaced. I'd expect damage to the left main gear as well. As long as there isn't any major hull/wing damage, it looks fixable from where I'm sitting.
Hasn't the IB A346s had a lot of issues with their brakes in the last three some-odd years?
The aircraft is still relatively new, so it's not necessarily a write-off. Judging from the pictures, maybe a new landing gear, new engine(s) and a new number 2 engine pylon (maybe also a new engine pylon for the number 1), unless something pierced through the fuselage. That's just my casual observation.
I'm guessing that the aircraft will likely be repaired.
BE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 86252 times:
Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 15): Are there any safety issues with the runway in Quito? It seems like a difficult approach. Good news, that no one was hurt. What kind of damage is there to the aircraft if any?
At something like 9200 ASL, pretty much any operations have to be considered difficult - thinking about it. breathing would be difficult for probably 75% of people not from there! Add any sort of weather (rainy, hot, or anything else), and if you can run off the end of any runway, that'll be one.
Interesting, but shall we assume that all of the work would be done in Quito?, it would be somewhat expensive compared to being done in MAD or any other station that usually would do heavy MX on a A346.
"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
Phxpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 86002 times:
Is anybody else wondering why in some of the pictures, especially the one shot from the tail angle, the electrical system is still powered? The white tail nav light as well as the left logo lights are both illuminated. Without exception, the checklists for every airliner I have ever flown require electrical power to be shut off in this sort of situation.
: this could have turned out to be very ugly . those people were very lucky . good thing there was no embankment or ditch at the end of that runway.
: Well, there was; they were just lucky enough to stop well before it.
: Yes, but you got to remember that when the KZ 767 that was on lease to Skyservice landed hard and got those nasty fuselage wrinkles in PUJ, people fr
: UIO always use rwy 35 for landings and takeoffs, the APP for rwy 17 is extremely challenging for both landings(specially) and deps, so I doubt they w
: Airportmanager, a friend of mine, told me the aircraft hase several fuselage and wing cracks and that engines 1, 2, and 3 are useless, only 4 is or co
: Quito actual runway is much to short considering the altitude of the city ( 2800 meters ) The new airport will have a 4200 meter runway.
: " target=_blank>http://www.elperiodico.cat/info/gale...a=969 From the front shot picture I would say that there was be damage to both engines since th
: wow thank God everyone's ok - I looked at UIO on Google Earth and the end of the runway (it landed on 17, right?) is 177 yards away from from a major
: Where will all the traffic be diverted? I doubt GYE could take all of it, or am I wrong? Even with a 4200 metre runway, a limiting factor will be max
: Forgive me, but by what stretch of the imagination was that a "landing incident?" I don't think an aircraft has to fly head first into the everglades
: TV shows one of the main gears collapsed when if skid off the runway. Especulations are that the airport may be closed for several days. Many thins ha
: QF thinks different about that 1999 BKK overrun
: Ok i just got back from the airport. I was there in the flight school during this happened. It was raining and I heard a loud BOOM but nothing that ca
: to me this is more than a incident other than no one was hurt, this is terrible, I still can tbelieve Ive seen an aircraft like this! Just centimiete
: Thanks Tomascubero & Airportmanager for the reports. Sorry the news is bad. A good representation of a challenged A340 landing at Quito is on flightle
: Anymore pics ??? R Ooops, sorry Manager, your post wasn't there when I posted that. Cool pics![Edited 2007-11-10 00:21:37]
: What is it about A346's and female pilots. the SA incident at CPT last week was also a female pilot?
: Why were so few emergency exits opened? I can understand that the angle of the forward chutes may have made it difficult but am surprised that it look
: It sure seems like the wet ground, almost muddy, is an important factor here. If the ground were hard packed, its likely that the plane would have go
: Ooops! Somebody just lost his job! Great pics AirportManager, thanks a lot!
: Airportmanager, great pics. It's a shame A.net takes so long to accept them. I find it strange that there is still no info. on the incident from the I
: Airportmanager, I have to join the praise for your ever good reporting and photography. On the question of a female asking for winds, I thought that
: What happens to a plane this damaged? Will the need a crane to pull it (literally) out of the mud? Would IB do minimal repairs there in Quito and fly
: From what Airportmanger has described in his reports, plus what can be seen on the pictures, I don't believe "minimal repairs" will get that bird bac
: First of all, Stefano, thank you so much for the news coverage! Do you have any info about what happens during the time UIO is closed? To me it looks
: I'm glad all are safe. But its sad to see such a beatiful and proud plane damaged like this, i really hope its not a total loss. This other accident p
: Reminds me about the Air France A340 accident in Canada some years ago (except that it isn't burning)
: From the pictures this is not a total loss. EC-JOH is new, only 1 1/2 years old, and just one wing and undercarriage seems to be seriously affected. T
: But still it will be a really hard work to get this a/c up in the air again.
: Thats for sure. This aircraft most likely won´t be flying again in 2007. Quito isn´t a place someone wants to experience a breakdown.
: Good example. See how it looked after the aborted take-off and how it looks today: http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/d-abyu/photo.shtml View Large Vi
: At least it wont fly again in 2007. True, that will make it longer until the a/c can fly again. Amazing, how could they make that 747 fly again??? Ho
: " target=_blank>http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/d-...shtml Is it accurate to compare a cargohauler and a passengerplane? I don´t think so.
: In the photographs it looked like people were sliding down the emergency chutes under daylight...and then people were still sliding down them in pitch
: someone asked why was only one emergency exit used for 333 pax. it looks like the 2R door was used. i ask myself the same question. that's a big plane
: The following has been published on Iberia's website. Sorry, it's in Spanish only. Iberia mantiene su operación con Ecuador - La compañía volará d
: My message was the same than the previous one. Then, I cancel it.[Edited 2007-11-10 05:24:06]
: But the first dash 600 to be written off? or can this aircraft be fixed and flying again?, plus how far away is the runway from where it ended up? da
: See some posts above (one from me). There have been aircraft more severely damaged which still fly. Well, the pilots of a Cargo hauler want to surviv
: Thank god everyone is safe and no one was hurt. From the pictures I have seen so far I think this airplane will be a total hull loss due to the intern
: Is the 346 too big to land at UIO, or is it more of a problem within the aircraft itself (internal mechanisms)? In any case, I'm glad nobody got hurt.
: While I'm not at work to check, GYE was scheduled to be closed for runway work this weekend, starting at 0600z/10Nov and lasting thru the 12th at 120
: AV757, saw an estimate of 40MUS$ just in spares, then add shipping and labor cost, add lease of ramp space.
: Yes, the repair work at GYE is cancelled until UIO gets back to normal. That is not the case, as IB has flown the A346 for a couple of years to UIO a
: Here are the official NOTAMS (Notices To Airmen) for SEQU and SEGU, The closure of GYV has been cancelled for this weekend and moved to next weekend.
: There are several pictures here showing us closer views of the damage. It looks pretty bad, at least worse than I thought after looking at the picture