Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3509 times:
I was driving around Willow Run (YIP) today and like usual there were seven Zantop L-188s on the ramp. I have not seen any of these move in a long time. Is Zantop still in business? If not who owns them? Are there any plans for them?
Tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1375 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3402 times:
I don't know they just chopped that one up and I am sure the green one and the one next to it will come soon. I heard some guy in California bought them and was going to do something with them. Maybe firebombing? I think it's on this site somewhere. They were working on them a lot more than they have been lately. You didn't happen to be one of the guys that walked out to the nose of that one on Friday to look at it were you?
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3379 times:
Quoting Tb727 (Reply 1): You didn't happen to be one of the guys that walked out to the nose of that one on Friday to look at it were you?
That wasn't me. I wouldn't walk out on the ramp without permission. I just drive around the airport and look at stuff. Sometimes I ride my bike around.
Quoting Tb727 (Reply 1): they just chopped that one up and I am sure the green one and the one next to it will come soon
Did they cut it up right there? Or did they move it?
Quoting Tb727 (Reply 1): They were working on them a lot more than they have been lately
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3309 times:
Did they get rid of all the Dc-8,s they had years ago,, There was a dave Zantop that was one of the owners, One of the gals in their Mem station met one of them at a station visit and married him,,,
I wish they would make a come back there is a need for freight like that here in the states for oversize pieces.
I was up there years ago, it looked like they were doing most of the sorting out on the tarmac in the weather.
also was that a ford or Gm plant next to it.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3304 times:
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Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 3): I wish they would make a come back there is a need for freight like that here in the states for oversize pieces.
Unfortunately, there is less of a need for on-demand shipping of auto and assembly line parts...
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4725 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3284 times:
I believe the FAA cancelled Zantop's operating certificate sometime this year.
ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1230 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3181 times:
I think those have been parked there since the mid-1990's. Sad they have been left to rot for so many years. I guess if any of them had been any good as parts donors, they would have been snatched-up. That is, of course, unless the owners were overly-greedy.
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HangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 627 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3167 times:
I remember when Zantop used to send those into PHL when I was a kid. I used to go down to Cargo City with my dad when he missed the last Fed Ex pick up and usually there was an Electra parked there. They used to depart over our house too.
ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1230 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3160 times:
Quoting HangarRat (Reply 7): I remember when Zantop used to send those into PHL
Yeah, there used to be an occasional "line-up" of them over at the North-Cargo building (ATL) from time to time back in the '80's.
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FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3138 times:
I remember seeing them at LAX in the mid-90s, on a fairly regular basis. Once in a great while there would be 3 Electras at the old, original Eastern's freight building on the southeastern side, near runway 25R.
Can anyone at YIP get the tailnumbers of these birds rotting away there? I'm curious to know if any are ex-American.
Regards.
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2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3107 times:
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Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 9): Can anyone at YIP get the tailnumbers of these birds rotting away there?
I'll be in the neighborhood next week. I'll see if I can find out. The staff at the FBO near Murray have been jerks in the past, though.
Tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1375 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2937 times:
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 2): Did they cut it up right there? Or did they move it?
Yep, right there. That green one has been sitting as long as I have been here, I learned to fly at YIP in 99 and I have been working and based here since 2000. We had that AA 727 chopped up right there on our ramp too last year. Judging on what we got for that, I bet an L-188 will fetch about $25,000 in scrap, maybe a little bit more.
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 2): Who is they and what kind of work are they doing?
I am not sure who all was working, but they were getting some of them airworthy to fly them out to California from what I heard. It was really strange but nice hearing the Allison engines whirling over there from time to time.
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10):
I'll be in the neighborhood next week. I'll see if I can find out. The staff at the FBO near Murray have been jerks in the past, though.
Yeah Avflight is mean. I thought Signature was bad, they are pretty much the same. There isn't anything on the West Ramp any more anyways, if you come over by Kalitta on the South Ramp, I bet you could see all the tail numbers just about. I wish I would have read this earlier, I just flew a Lear in a couple hours ago and taxied right by all of them! I am off this week but have a trip Friday, if I remember, I will see what I can do about copying some down. I know a lot of them were Delta and Hawaiian birds at one point in their lives.
There is or at least was, a picture in the Zantop lobby in the main hanger on the South Ramp where the Yankee AF museum is currently of a night shot back in the hayday of Willow Run from the top of that hanger during a push. It was so cool, DC-8's, DC-6's, and L-188's all being loaded up just like a mini SDF or MEM. It's still pretty neat when we go to drop off freight on freight ramps in places like BUF and CLE and some other places I can't remember off the top of my head, some of the buildings still have the classic Zantop with the Electra tail sign up on the building.
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2930 times:
I think all those planes looked like someone had beaten them with hammers as far back as the early 80,s.. They
were always rough looking but pretty reliable.. The dc-8,s seemed to have more mx,s
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2920 times:
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Quoting Tb727 (Reply 11): I know a lot of them were Delta and Hawaiian birds at one point in their lives.
I can confirm the Hawaiian lineage of some of them....a friend of mine used to fly them, and I got to check out the inside of one of the green ones:
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2826 times:
Here's a fleet listing of Zantop's aircraft, updated to mid-1999. Hopefully some of these Electras are still flight-worthy at YIP, albeit with some heavy maintenance. Regards.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
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Well, I went out to YIP today and got several shots of the remaining Electras. As soon as I resize and edit them, I'll post them in here.
According to a worker in the old Zantop hangar, a company called "Turboprop LLC" or "Turboprops LLC" purchased the Zantop Electras. This company intends to refurbish them, acquire ferry permits, and sell them to cargo company(ies) in China.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2667 times:
Learn something every day here if ya try I guess...
I was just talking about Zantop with a friend of mine over this http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19840530-0 a few weekends ago. "Home" is about 10 minutes from Chalk Hill (not Chalkhill), and the aforementioned friend owned property where some of the wreckage landed. He was asking me if they still fly, and I said I didn't think they had flown in at least a decade.
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2617 times:
Based on 2H4's replies & info I have at home, these birds were originally ordered by Capital, Eastern and National Airlines.
N282F is L-188A c/n 1084 ordered/operated by National Airlines as N5006K.
N290F is L-188C c/n 1133 ordered by Capital Airlines as N182H, but not delivered. Sports Aloft Inc was the first operator in 1962, then the bird was sold to PSA in 1963 as N376PS.
N343HA is L-188A c/n 1053 ordered/operated by Eastern Air Lines as N5530.
N344HA is L-188A c/n 1038 ordered/operated by Eastern Air Lines as N5525.
N5512 is L-188A c/n 1017 ordered/operated by Eastern Air Lines as, what else...N5512.
Thank you 2H4, for your work. Much appreciated.
Interesting to note that the original buyers of these birds are long gone, and now the birds themselves are fading into history as well.
Regards.
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Tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1375 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2610 times:
Holy crap, I was up there today and didn't even notice that Beech missing. It's only been sitting there for at least 8 years. That was a PT-6 powered one too, all the ones Kalitta operated were TFE-331 powered so 355C was a pretty rare one. I thought one of the Zantop boys or Rousch had bought that thing. Nice jobs on the pics! You didn't get any pics of the Kalitta ramp did you? I might be in one of them! That hanger is so damn cool! Did you happen to see if that picture was still up in the lobby with the picture of that ramp from the roof? I wonder if N346HA was one of the ones that flew away? That one had just gone through a big inspection and was the queen of the fleet back right before they ceased operations. I went up in it one night with their dispatcher to take a look around. Cool planes though.
Tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1375 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2442 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 21): I saw three or four Kalitta guys talking on the ramp. I was half-expecting them to come tell me to buzz off in the name of security...
Nah, they don't care, unless you were trying to climb the fence and it looked like you were gonna make it, they are too busy fixing stuff I break.
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 21): I looked around, but didn't see anything. I think all the Zantop stuff was either claimed or stolen, unfortunately.
That's too bad, hopefully Dave or one of the other Zantop's got it. He's a nice guy and last I heard he was flying Rousch's 727's.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2441 times:
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Quoting Tb727 (Reply 22): Quoting 2H4 (Reply 21):
I looked around, but didn't see anything. I think all the Zantop stuff was either claimed or stolen, unfortunately.
That's too bad, hopefully Dave or one of the other Zantop's got it. He's a nice guy and last I heard he was flying Rousch's 727's.
On second thought, there might be an L-188 cockpit procedure trainer upstairs in the former Zantop offices, complete with old training posters and materials. Then again, I might be making that up.
Tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1375 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2423 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 23):
On second thought, there might be an L-188 cockpit procedure trainer upstairs in the former Zantop offices, complete with old training posters and materials. Then again, I might be making that up.
Hmmm I do have a pickup truck....
N346HA was out on the line. I forgot, when I taxied out on Wednesday it was sitting there so I am not sure if they have flown any out since they ceased ops. They might need all that training stuff if the time to fly them out ever comes.
Start sequence, 3,2,1, make it so...
25 2H4: If you're not single now, you will be when she sees you dragging that into the driveway.... 2H4
27 Viscount724: Eastern kept a dozen or so of their 40 Electras (delivered 1958/59) until 1977/78. The rest had been sold by the early '70s. National had 15 Electras
28 Tb727: Crap, I forgot to mention this earlier, I thought of it the other night and just remembered again. Ok, technically 2 airlines were operating the Elect
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