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NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS  
User currently offlineNwab787techops From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9176 times:

Flight 68 DTW-AMS is going to a B747-400 next summer....

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User currently offlineNwAflyer07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

Seriously? Wow, im gonna definitely have to use my flying benefits and hop on that one. Is it daily, and where did you find this info at?

User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9162 times:

Here's the proof!!!



Finally I'm no longer forced to fly a faux (Boeing) heavy transatlantic out of here.

Now give me the 777, KLM.  goodvibes 


User currently offlineNwAflyer07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9138 times:

Not bad at all! Thats awesome news, i sure hope it lasts long enough. And it's right around my birthday, too! I'll take 2 days off, pack a change of clothes n stuff, hop on the flight there and hop on it back. Looks like i'd only be waiting 3.5 hours for the return flight anyway.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9100 times:

This was initially mentioned in another thread in the proposed AMS slot allocation.

NWA.com is indeed showing a 744 on 67/68 for next summer, and it is also showing KLM 617/618 A332 for next summer too.

However the DTW-AMS schedule currently is showing some oddities - leading me to believe they are still playing with things. Eastbound is showing 4x daily (2x NW 333, 1x NW 744, 1x KLM 332). Westbound is showing 5x daily (2x NW 333, 1x 744, 1x KLM 332, 1x "n/a" or sometimes a 757). It appears as if an Eastbound flight is currently missing.

NW 53/54 appears to have been replaced by KLM since it is gone from the schedule and the KLM flight is nearly at the same time.

Talk about a hodge-podge of aircraft on this route once again. After they finally got it to all A330, now with a mix of A330's, 744, 752, and KLM - offering a very inconsistant product, particularly in coach. For Y pax the A330 offers the by far the best product. WBC on the 744 & A330 is essentially the same, but the 752 is significantly less.

FYI.....
MEM-AMS has been upgraded to an A330-300 for next summer, as the A332 will be used to launch PDX-AMS.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4588 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9057 times:

Where does the relocated DTW-FRA A330 go?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9009 times:

Where is this 744 coming from?

What is changing in the Pacific?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8967 times:

Well its hard to say what that 744 is doing,.

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
Where does the relocated DTW-FRA A330 go?

PARS is no longer showing a second daily flight to Frankfurt, why I don't know with bookings looking promising for both flights as of about two months ago some of the summer flights were already 70% full for both flights on the same day.

With that said however, the summer schedule is not set until early next year, so look for a lot to still change.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineSurfpunk From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
Where does the relocated DTW-FRA A330 go?

My guess is the new MSP-CDG route.


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8870 times:

Awesome news

NW havent had a 744 on this route since '02-'03 I think?

Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
Where is this 744 coming from?

What is changing in the Pacific?

I am wondering that myself, it will be interesting to see.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8813 times:
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Excellent for next "summer spotting" in AMS !!!  Cool  Cool

FB.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8781 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 9):
I am wondering that myself, it will be interesting to see.

Right now I am finding some minor changes.

Maybe they are just utilizing the 744 that is on spare in DTW? But wouldn't that be kind of risky?
Wasn't NRT-PEK going to go to a 744 and that A332 be moved to start PDX-AMS?

As PSU.DTW.SCE has said,

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
they are still playing with things.

This makes me wonder if NW is going to be using more 757s next summer on AMS and other Europe routes and moving some A333s around in the Pacific?

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 10):
Excellent for next "summer spotting" in AMS !!!

Great for spotters....Not so great for those in Y expecting the A330 Y product. I think it is about time NW upgrades the 744 Y class to the A330 Y or introduce a New Y to conicide with the 787s. At least flying DTW-AMS in Y is only half as long as Japan-DTW and much of it is at night. I go crazy flying NGO-DTW (11 hours of strained neck).

[Edited 2007-11-11 23:12:57]


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8741 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
Maybe they are just utilizing the 744 that is on spare in DTW? But wouldn't that be kind of risky?
Wasn't NRT-PEK going to go to a 744 and that A332 be moved to start PDX-AMS?

I noticed that too, I also thought that NRT-PEK was going to a 744, and as you stated that would free up the 332 for PDX-AMS coming at the begining of the year.

I'm sure that we will continue to see tweeks in the schedule before the summer timetable comes out, which wont be for a couple of months.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 10):
Excellent for next "summer spotting" in AMS !!!

FB.

No kidding. DTW is going to be interesting too.


User currently offlineJKJ777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8730 times:

Saw the AMS bound 747-400 in DTW tonite when coming back out to LAX. I was a little shocked to see it as I thought the 747's were off that route.

User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2395 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
FYI.....
MEM-AMS has been upgraded to an A330-300 for next summer,

No surprise there, I think that's a trend with NW for that route. I took an A333 on the reverse leg in May.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
I think it is about time NW upgrades the 744 Y class to the A330 Y or introduce a New Y to conicide with the 787s.

Indeed, this is overdue. It's bad enough the inconsistencies exist between the 744's and A330's, but once the 787's role around the jumbo's inferior product will really standout.



There's nothing quite like a trijet.
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Interesting if they decide to send the 747 back on routes to Europe. Maybe they are checking the demand before a possible A380/747-8I purchase.


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
Where does the relocated DTW-FRA A330 go?

The second daily DTW-FRA A333 -> MSP-CDG A333
MEM-AMS A332 -> PDX-AMS A332
NW 67/68 A333 -> MEM-AMS A333
Spare 744 -> NW 67/68 DTW-AMS 744

Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
Where is this 744 coming from?

What is changing in the Pacific?

There has been at least 1 or 2 unallocated 744's since the re-shuffle in the Pacific last summer, since KIX-HNL when from a 744 - > A330-300. Additional, NW was prepared to launch DTW-China service if needed. This answers part of the question regarding where the extra 744's were going to go next summer.

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 9):
NW havent had a 744 on this route since '02-'03 I think?

Correct. At that time it continued on to AMS-BOM, which still appears to be a A330-200 for now.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
Wasn't NRT-PEK going to go to a 744 and that A332 be moved to start PDX-AMS?

That was a consideration, but that isn't happening since the A332 is coming from MEM-AMS.

Quoting JKJ777 (Reply 13):
Saw the AMS bound 747-400 in DTW tonite when coming back out to LAX. I was a little shocked to see it as I thought the 747's were off that route.

DTW-AMS is not operating with a 744 until June '08. What you saw is the 744 that RON's nightly in DTW for the Asia flights.


User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

My first 747 flight was on NW from DTW-AMS. Almost brings tears to my eyes that the 744 is returning to this route.

User currently offlineZL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5956 times:

Next summer, NW will be stupid not to send its biggest aircraft to PEK.

User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

Quoting ZL (Reply 18):
Next summer, NW will be stupid not to send its biggest aircraft to PEK.

NW execs know where their planes will make the most money for them. NW has always done well with fleet utlization.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Quoting ZL (Reply 18):
Next summer, NW will be stupid not to send its biggest aircraft to PEK.

NWA has already tried sending its largest aircraft to PEK before and it lost money doing it. The loads were full!


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 20):
NWA has already tried sending its largest aircraft to PEK before and it lost money doing it. The loads were full!

Next year the olympics will be in PEK, that should change matters a bit.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineKDTWFlyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 835 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

This is pretty cool .. first time I flew on a B744 was NW68 DTW-AMS ( N675NW) back in April of 2003. I would take a B744 across the ocean any day.


NW B744 B742 B753 B752 A333 A332 A320 A319 DC10 DC9 ARJ CRJ S340
User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
Flight 68 DTW-AMS is going to a B747-400 next summer....

How unfortunate.

Spend 8 hours cramped inside with no IFE but a giant screen upfront. I thought those days of crossing the Atlantic like that were gone with the last DC-10. NW REALLY needs to upgrade their 747's. At least with the new 757 service heading over, they give you more legroom, and small screens throughout the aircraft to at least attempt to watch a movie. I'll be avoiding this flight next time I head over.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

Quoting Lobster (Reply 23):
How unfortunate.

Spend 8 hours cramped inside with no IFE but a giant screen upfront. I thought those days of crossing the Atlantic like that were gone with the last DC-10. NW REALLY needs to upgrade their 747's. At least with the new 757 service heading over, they give you more legroom, and small screens throughout the aircraft to at least attempt to watch a movie. I'll be avoiding this flight next time I head over.

Just off the top of your head, what % of aircraft on all airlines crossing the Atlantic today have IFE? How can they stand the ordeal the poor souls?


25 PW100 : At least with the AMS service, you should have plenty of options next summer, with five daily rotations . . . NW332/333, KL332/772, NW757
26 Lobster : And I care about other airlines why? Seeing as I try to fly NW as much as I can, I only care about what product NW is offering me. If I decide that I
27 JKJ777 : Oh well......The 747 was parked at gate A 26 with the computer screen at gate 26 saying the bird was going to FRA later that evening. I mis typed AMS
28 Indy : We live in a time where so many people have laptop computers and devices like ipods and portable dvd players are cheap. Is IFE all that important?
29 Lobster : Read my last post. I'd take a plug-in for my laptop over IFE. But 747 gives me neither. It's time to upgrade.
30 Centrair : Don't think so. There were no aircraft upgrades for Athens, Salt Lake City, Sydney, Atlanta or other olympics. PEK is in the news a lot becasue it is
31 Hjulicher : Now the DTW-DUS flight has no allotted aircraft type. It says just N/A, so maybe DTW will stop being the 757 to europe hub that we thought was develop
32 LHboyatDTW : Apparently NW/KL still appears to be unable to make up their minds. NW 67 Depart (AMS): 10:10 Arrive (DTW): 12:50 Equipment: A330 NW 68 Depart (DTW):
33 PSU.DTW.SCE : LHboyatDTW, Not sure on the timeframe you are looking at, but just doing a quick check on nwa.com shows there is indeed still a 744 on DTW-AMS next su
34 MSYtristar : Eff. 31May. Great news. That flight flew with B744 equipment for several years at least. NW 068 JCZIYBMHQVLTK DTWAMS 1720 0700+1 747 0 M 31MAY
35 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : oops I guess I made the mistake of looking at around the first week of May while looking for flights to CPH. I think I'll stay in a corner and pop ou
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