AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1689 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2513 times:
I checked on AMs website for a MEX-BCN flight from Dec. 15 to Dec. 21 and a rather expensive connection through CDG is the only flight that showed up. Is AM really going to start flights to Barcelona?
Fyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 747 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2459 times:
I think so.
Perhaps AM's website doesn't return the direct flight because the entire flight is booked or sold out, so you receive an alternative, MEX-CDG-BCN?
Sometimes when I book a flight to MAD (MEX-MAD, nonstop), the website shows the codeshare to CUN (MEX-CUN-MAD) with UX, but after several attempts, apparently some seats are put available (maybe from expiring reservations), letting me to select the nonstop flight.
You may want run further searches or select other dates.
Skyteam2000 From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2423 times:
Barcelona tendrá a partir del 16 de diciembre un nuevo vuelo diario con México operado por Aeroméxico
BARCELONA, 12 (EUROPA PRESS).- El Comité de Desarrollo de Rutas Aéreas (CDRA), creado por la Generalitat, la Cámara de Comercio de Barcelona, el Ayuntamiento y Aena (entidad gestora de los aeropuertos españoles), presentó hoy el nuevo vuelo directo Barcelona-México D.F. de la compañía Aeroméxico que se empezará a operar el 16 de diciembre, según informó la Generalitat.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2222 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5): 2 brand new 772ER's (Frida and Diego)
2 second hand 772ER's (ex-PP-VRA and VRB) one of which has the old seats without AVOD
1 763ER XA-APB
and
How many 762ERs???
Don't they have (4) -200s and a sole 300???? I'm also asking
And XA-TOJ, XA-OAM and XA-JBC. It's 4 and 4 for a total of 8. XA-TNS and XA-RVZ are the ones gone. And cross your fingers, a 5th B777 might come. AM must decide as late as Dec 07.
g77
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Zetineitor737 From Mexico, joined Jul 2007, 29 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2107 times:
For this new flight Aeromexico has on scheduale the 767-200 to operate twice a week and maybe later they will increase the frequencies or introduce the 777-200, but since now the 767-200 are confirm for dec. 16, 2007
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 7): And XA-TOJ, XA-OAM and XA-JBC. It's 4 and 4 for a total of 8. XA-TNS and XA-RVZ are the ones gone. And cross your fingers, a 5th B777 might come. AM must decide as late as Dec 07.
You are right the actual wide body fleet of Aeromexico are 3 767-200, 1 767-300, 2 777-200 (new), 2 777-200 (used)
and Aeromexico are waiting for the 5th new 777 by the end of january.
RAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
Quoting AM744 (Thread starter): I checked on AMs website for a MEX-BCN flight from Dec. 15 to Dec. 21 and a rather expensive connection through CDG is the only flight that showed up. Is AM really going to start flights to Barcelona?
HI AM744,
all the AM flights from BCN to MEX on Christmas period are fully booked. This is the reason you are unable to find return flights.
Regards,
Gerard
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Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2001 times:
Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 10): all the AM flights from BCN to MEX on Christmas period are fully booked
Quoting AM744 (Reply 11): Too bad, but at least the route looks promising.
AM needs this route to work, and they better start thinking about seriously launching a couple more international routes, because their domestic market share, along with MX's is plummeting. Its time to look more towards the outside.
source-ATWonline.com
AeroMexico, Mexicana contend with plummeting domestic market share
Wednesday November 14, 2007
Mexico's flag carriers AeroMexico and Mexicana have seen their share of the domestic market decline from 84% to 50% since 2000, Mexicana Chairman Gaston Azcarraga said last week at the ALTA conference in Cancun. Azcarraga, who also is chairman of the airline's parent company Grupo Posadas, noted that the country is served by 14 domestic airlines--"that's where the problem starts," he told attendees--and that "if this industry is going to make a profit, eventually it has to come through consolidation." Mexicana tried to help that process along by bidding for AeroMexico last month, but the competition authority rejected its bid (ATWOnline, Oct. 15).
AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1689 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 12): AM needs this route to work, and they better start thinking about seriously launching a couple more international routes, because their domestic market share, along with MX's is plummeting. Its time to look more towards the outside.
I hear you. As has been said many times before by Ghost, et al. AM could easily have 10 777s for daily flights to MAD, CDG, LHR, Sao Paulo and probably EZE. (a daily 762 to JFK and a frequency increase to NRT would be nice too).
LH498 From Germany, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 215 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1969 times:
BSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 345 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1943 times:
Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 8): You are right the actual wide body fleet of Aeromexico are 3 767-200, 1 767-300, 2 777-200 (new), 2 777-200 (used)
I didn't know AM had so few widebodies, I thought they had a bigger 767 fleet. I think it's time for Mexican carriers to grow their stake in the long haul market out of MEX. It's impressing how big airlines such as AM and MX in a big market like Mexico have few long haul planes. I think at least 10-15 widebodies would make more sense for the main longhaul carrier in Mexico.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7176 posts, RR: 45 Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1862 times:
Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 8): Aeromexico are waiting for the 5th new 777 by the end of january.
So this seems quite certain then! Good news. I ask the same as Erik... will this be brand-new?
Quoting Juventus (Reply 12): because their domestic market share, along with MX's is plummeting.
Well, MEX-FCO should be launched in early 2008 too, so this would be the fourth destination in Europe for AM!!!
By the way, would anybody happen to know if AM has been able to refit ex-PP-VRA with the new seats??? It is terrible that due to problems with the supplier of the seats, one of the members of AM's 777 family is flying with the old Clase Premier seats.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1841 times:
Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 15): I didn't know AM had so few widebodies, I thought they had a bigger 767 fleet. I think it's time for Mexican carriers to grow their stake in the long haul market out of MEX.
I posted a thread about 4-5 months ago. Foreign carriers have anywhere from 70-75% of the total Int'l traffic in and out of Mexico. I'm sorry but MX and AM need to do something about this.
As far as the widebodies, AM has 4 767s, 4 777s, and 1 777pending. MX has two 767s (EZE run). For Mexico, the 8th most visited country in the world, and a population of 105 milion people, yes that's small.
I'm sorry to be negative tonight, back to the topic, good luck to AM on their BCN venture.
AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1689 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1838 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 16): Well, MEX-FCO should be launched in early 2008 too, so this would be the fourth destination in Europe for AM!!!
That would be great strategy. Flying to untapped markets such as BCN, FCO or even ZRH could work. MEX-Europe is a BIG market that is taken by big American and European carriers via connections. Nonstops would work IMO.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4845 posts, RR: 27 Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1816 times:
There are also some other cities in Mexico that could support nonstop international services. Even if seasonal. I know that during the summer months, you are hard pressed to find anything from MTY-CDG or ORY and that includes connections. The ones that immediately come to mind are MTY-CDG, MTY-FRA, MTY-GRU, GDL-MAD, MTY- Central America and all the various ones with CUN as starting point.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5127 posts, RR: 53 Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1812 times:
Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 8): For this new flight Aeromexico has on scheduale the 767-200 to operate twice a week and maybe later they will increase the frequencies or introduce the 777-200, but since now the 767-200 are confirm for dec. 16, 2007
Impossible! With the current B777 fleet is impossible to do this rotation, even with the 4th B777 which just started to see revenue 10 days ago.
Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 8): You are right the actual wide body fleet of Aeromexico are 3 767-200, 1 767-300, 2 777-200 (new), 2 777-200 (used) and Aeromexico are waiting for the 5th new 777 by the end of january.
Not yet confirmed. AM must take a decision at the latest in Dec 07 and del of this new bird would be taking place by mid-late 08. As we speak Boeing is delivering LN +-670, ILFC's last B777-2Q8ER must be near the LN 7 something.
Quoting Juventus (Reply 17): As far as the widebodies, AM has 4 767s, 4 777s, and 1 777pending. MX has two 767s (EZE run). For Mexico, the 8th most visited country in the world, and a population of 105 milion people, yes that's small.
I'm sorry to be negative tonight, back to the topic, good luck to AM on their BCN venture.
Pure facts... being realistic... not pessimistic.
Quoting AM744 (Reply 18): That would be great strategy. Flying to untapped markets such as BCN, FCO or even ZRH could work. MEX-Europe is a BIG market that is taken by big American and European carriers via connections. Nonstops would work IMO.
Amen
g77
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DTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1808 times:
I got word today that AM is starting up Non-stop service from ORD-MEX sometime this month or next. An Airlines sales rep for AM called me today at the agency to let us know about it.
I thought they already had service in ORD, But, I was thinking of Mexicana.....
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7176 posts, RR: 45 Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1780 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 20): With the current B777 fleet is impossible to do this rotation, even with the 4th B777 which just started to see revenue 10 days ago.
So where is this fourth 777 being deployed too? Are MAD and GRU finally all-777 routes? I hope ex-PP-VRB has the new seats, just like Diego and Frida.
Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 21): I got word today that AM is starting up Non-stop service from ORD-MEX sometime this month or next. An Airlines sales rep for AM called me today at the agency to let us know about it.
I thought they already had service in ORD, But, I was thinking of Mexicana...
But they do! There is flight AM 0682 and flight AM 0686!!! What gives?
LatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2629 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1720 times:
All of the following are just rumors, but here it goes:
As already stated, the next European destination to be launched is FCO. FCO is a natural choice because not only is there a big demand that remains untapped from Italy-Mexico, but it is also a Skyteam hub. However, it just might be launched as MEX-MTY-FCO. Not only would it pick up passengers in MTY, but it would allow the flight to go out at full capacity due to the weight restrictions impossed by MEX and the long distance of the flight.
The next long-haul international route will be MEX-TIJ-Shanghai. Just in time to transport all the demand from Mexico and many parts of Latin America to the 2008 Olympic games to be held in Beijing.
The new owners of AeroMexico are studying the expansion of new long distance routes to support their growth strategy of the company because the domestic market is practically stagnant with all the LLC. So you bet that AeroMexico will be turning more into a long distance airline service four different continents and proudly taking its name to places that its never been to before.
LatinPlane
P.S. BTW, AR385, welcome back!
[Edited 2007-11-14 18:53:44]
25 AR385: Thankyou very much. It's really good to be back! The controversy, the disagreements, the knowledge, oh how I missed it all!
26 EddieDude: Yes, I read this too at Ghost's forum, but I am still unsure about how I feel about it. First... would a 767-200ER really be weight restricted? Wow!
27 Latinplane: Yes, Eddie CUN would be the natural choice. In fact last time when AM flew to FCO (early 90s) one of the flights operated as MEX-CUN-MAD-FCO with a 7
28 AR385: Awesome video, Latinplane. I do not know if they could fill a 777 type plane on routes out of MTY. They would certainly fill up a 762 or even a 763. B
29 Juventus: IAH, DFW, ATL, MIA, and the New York airports. Mexico to Europe via CUN or MTY, hummm. MTY gives you business people, and no competition, CUN has the
30 AR385: Seasonally, MTY gives you a lot of tourism traffic.
31 Zetineitor737: I´m surprised why you are so sure about it, that information is official for the Aeromexico corp. As you said its not confirmed, but I could tell yo
32 Ghost77: Affecting frequencies from current routes. YES, then, not impossible. But, with a 5th, all would be totally different. And hopefully not only a 5th..
33 Fyano773: Boeing has 6 unidentified orders for 772, one of them with GE Engines: Orders for October 2006 through October 2007 Hope this one is for AM, but don'
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