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Airbus To Announce Mega Order In Brazil!  
User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23023 times:

According to the Brazilian aviation website www.jetsite.com.br , Airbus is going to announce on Nov 21st a mega order in Brazil. Right now rumors go into 2 directions.

1 - The acquisition of A380 aircraft by TAM.
2 - A new long haul fleet order by Varig.

The announcement is kind of certain. What really needs to be known is whether it's mega or not and whose ordering it.

Let the gossip begin!!!!    

To be honest, I didn't expect any of those to happen.

I could see TAM going for the A380, but not before 2010 or even later. Since RG is being run by GOL, I would expect at least a preference for Boeing product. I guess we'll have to wait and see what unfolds out of this.

Hey Richard (JJMNGR), do you have any tips on this one!!!  

I almost forgot. There is even a retouched picture of A380 in JJ colors.... Is this supposed mean something.......


[Edited 2007-11-13 08:06:45]

[Edited 2007-11-13 08:11:34]

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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1876 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 22956 times:

Just a wild guess: a new startup airline purchasing 100 A320s?


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5132 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 22962 times:

I can't see Varig going for Airbus, but TAM is definetily possible. Let's wait and see.

KL911


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 22927 times:

I was always sure that JJ would get A380s sooner or later, with a growing economy at home and a home-market of 150 million people.

Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter):
1 - The acquisition of A380 aircraft by TAM.
2 - A new long haul fleet order by Varig.

Seems more like two mega orders.

Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter):
According to the Brazilian aviation website www.jetsite.com.br , Airbus is going to announce on Nov 21st a mega order in Brazil. Right now rumors go into 2 directions.

How reliable is that site?

Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter):
Hey Richard (JJMNGR), do you have any tips on this one!!!

Yes, can you give us any insight?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12136 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 22881 times:



Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter):
I could see TAM going for the A380, but not before 2010 or even later.

It would have to be a later delivery. I think all the A-380 production slots are already taken until some time in 2012. I'm not so sure about an A-380 order for TAM, perhaps some (12-24) A-330s?

Or maybe RG is going to order some A-330Fs to work along side of their B-777Fs.


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 22820 times:



Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):
Just a wild guess: a new startup airline purchasing 100 A320s?

That would be to good to be true. Wonder how the Ministry of Defense would think about that???

I guess this "mega" order is a little exagerated.. Would JJ buying a couple A380 or RG going for a dozen A350 be considered mega?

I have no idea, this really took me by surprise!!!!


User currently offlineJog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 22780 times:



Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter):
There is even a retouched picture of A380 in JJ colors.

huh... the plan seems to be around for a while already, why else is the tail still red-blue and not traffic-light-like red-yellow-green?  Wink


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 22691 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
How reliable is that site?

This is one of Brazil's best aviation websites, run by a re-known aviation specialist (Gianfranco Betting). I can assure he wouldn't make up stuff like that if he didn't have anything behind it.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
It would have to be a later delivery. I think all the A-380 production slots are already taken until some time in 2012. I'm not so sure about an A-380 order for TAM, perhaps some (12-24) A-330s?

I meant that JJ would only consider ordering the A380 in 2010 or later.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1876 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 22679 times:

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 5):
Would JJ buying a couple A380 or RG going for a dozen A350 be considered mega?

RG going for A350 would definitely be considered a "mega blow" to Boeing by some of the members here - just as JJ buying 8 77Ws was considered a "major victory" by the same people.

[Edited 2007-11-13 08:29:39]


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8958 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22150 times:

Odd. Don't really know what to think about it. Completely out of the blue.

Could be A350s for RG, but that would be odd too.

A380s for TAM? . . will see.

PS: On the 21st??? That's too long to wait!! Big grin

[Edited 2007-11-13 11:30:30]


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3699 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 21979 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
ow reliable is that site?

Not that much. It has grown from an announcement from Airbus to a an announcement of a huge order.These rumours have come straight from the Brazilian Airport Gossipers Association. Trust me, everybody denies it, but it exists.Everyone somehow connected to aviation in Brazil has a membership. You wouldn't believe what people are capable of inventing down here. There are rumours of new 744 for Varig being spread, since they got rid of theirs in the first place.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 21886 times:

Mega.....? Say 50 widebodies or 100 narrowbodies?

Mega order is very unlikely. Air traffic growth slowed in Brazil and due to ATC constraints the government is not interested in high air-traffic growth anymore.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
I was always sure that JJ would get A380s sooner or later, with a growing economy at home and a home-market of 150 million people.

I am sure the A380 is not coming to TAM. A lot of those 150m + people cannot afford air travel. Outside of Sao Paulo - Miami there are no longhaul markets to take the A380. Not even SP - Paris.



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User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 21788 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
Not that much. It has grown from an announcement from Airbus to a an announcement of a huge order.These rumours have come straight from the Brazilian Airport Gossipers Association. Trust me, everybody denies it, but it exists.Everyone somehow connected to aviation in Brazil has a membership. You wouldn't believe what people are capable of inventing down here. There are rumours of new 744 for Varig being spread, since they got rid of theirs in the first place.

I respect your opinion about the source, but i don't agree!!! The same website was one of the first ones in Brazil to reveal BRA's intention to acquire E-jets, way before the airline annouce its order, regardless of how badly run BRA is. Oops! Should i say was!!!

I think is very unlikely for someone like Gianfranco, Jetsite's creator, to give an information like this being based on false rumors. He even set the date for the announcement..If it wasn't true, why would he put his reputation on the line? We would find out by the 21st that anyways.

I guess we have to wait to find out, won't we?


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 21649 times:

Gol replacing its whole B737 fleet with an A32X fleet + RG ordering A350's  duck 

This must constitute a mega order.  Wink



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3881 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 21596 times:

So on what route will TAM use the 380 ? Between Europe and Brazil ?

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6121 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20876 times:

the 380....between Sao Paolo and Rio of Course!


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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20439 times:



Quoting KL808 (Reply 13):
Gol replacing its whole B737 fleet with an A32X fleet + RG ordering A350's

This must constitute a mega order.

This would be HUGE!!! It could also explain why the Boeing head of Sales is stepping down. GOL has been a staunch Boeing customer so a switch would be a financial and psychological blow for Boeing.

Another option would be that Emirates is buying a Brazilian carrier and kitting out the fleet with Airbii.


User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20260 times:



Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter):
According to the Brazilian aviation website www.jetsite.com.br , Airbus is going to announce on Nov 21st a mega order in Brazil. Right now rumors go into 2 directions.

1 - The acquisition of A380 aircraft by TAM.
2 - A new long haul fleet order by Varig.

The announcement is kind of certain. What really needs to be known is whether it's mega or not and whose ordering it.

Let the gossip begin!!!!

I guess it may be JJ firming up their Paris commitment + a couple of extra frames



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18735 times:



Quoting KL808 (Reply 13):
Gol replacing its whole B737 fleet with an A32X fleet

Since 2004 GOL has placed (87) firm orders for 737-800 while only taking delivery on (21) of them... Having another (30) 737-7 active and (12) 737-8 leased and your saying they are going to what cancel (60+) 737-8's on order and buy from Airbus?

Yeah ok...  rotfl 

As far as JJ why and where do they need the capacity for A380's? They already have (8) 77W on order.



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User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18250 times:

JJ ordering A380 would be very shocking.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 18):
As far as JJ why and where do they need the capacity for A380's?

Good question, but maybe in the next decade they could fill those A380 on routes from GRU to MIA,JFK,CDG,FRA,LHR... But I think the 777-300 is already "big enough".


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3699 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18185 times:



Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 12):
I respect your opinion about the source, but i don't agree!!! The same website was one of the first ones in Brazil to reveal BRA's intention to acquire E-jets, way before the airline annouce its order, regardless of how badly run BRA is. Oops! Should i say was!!!

Not the first, nonetheless.

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 12):
I think is very unlikely for someone like Gianfranco, Jetsite's creator, to give an information like this being based on false rumors. He even set the date for the announcement..If it wasn't true, why would he put his reputation on the line? We would find out by the 21st that anyways.

There will be an announcement, but other sources don't mention an order or even the size. It wouldn't be the first time that false rumours have been propagated by Jetsite.


User currently offlineLoalq From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 224 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18088 times:



Quoting LH506 (Reply 17):
I guess it may be JJ firming up their Paris commitment + a couple of extra frames

Agree. But I thought this were already firm...?

I heard rumors that GIG would be the first brazilian airport (even before GRU) to be remodelled to accomodate the A380, anyone with info on this?

Rgds, Loalq



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3699 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17583 times:



Quoting Loalq (Reply 21):

Agree. But I thought this were already firm...?

I heard rumors that GIG would be the first brazilian airport (even before GRU) to be remodelled to accomodate the A380, anyone with info on this?

Rgds, Loalq

That may happen, because the Government of Rio de Janeiro is pressuring the Federal Government for the remodelling of GIG's T1. Since the T1's jetways are quite old, it's almost certain that they will be replaced. GIG never had a space issue, has the best infrastructure in Brazil and improvements of its taxiways are already on their way. The rumour makes total sense, specially after Infraero's president stated that GIG will be the only Brazilian airport to be adapted to the A380, which I actually don't buy. It is very probable that GRU will only get A380 positions, when T3 is built. Have you seen the gates at GRU? The exiting corridors are just too narrow.


User currently offlineDonzilasse From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 17196 times:

This sounds a little to good to be true and if true I would only see two options.

1, Varig possibly could go for the A350.

2. JJ and A380 ? The only reason for this would be if JJ don't think that they can obtain enough of frequences to FRA and believes that their new connection with Star will bring so much traffic that they can fill them. The conservatism of Mr. Bologna probably would speak aginst this but, maybe a couple of frames could ensure JJ a continuing leading roll as the #1 Brazilian International Airline.

This sounds a little to good to be true but, I might find out on the 21st when I will be flying JJ8075 from MIA to GRU and CNF.

Lasse


User currently offlineDonzilasse From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 17128 times:

Here the news! sorry only in Portuguese but the news confirms that it is only two alternatives.
1. JJ nuys A380
2. New longhaul fleet for Varig.

Lasse

Airbus anunciará mega venda no Brasil
No próximo dia 21, a Airbus vai anunciar um grande negócio no Brasil. As apostas mais altas são duas: a venda de aeronaves A380 para a TAM ou de uma nova frota de longo curso para a Varig. Enquanto isso, o jetsite já apresenta uma imagem do A380 nas cores da TAM. Façam suas apostas.


25 Donzilasse : Sorry, I screwed up my flight number should off course be JJ8095. Lasse
26 Post contains images BAKJet : Virgin Brazil
27 LongHaul67 : If there are already plans to upgrade T1, wouldn't it make sense to upgrade to also accommodate the A380?
28 Hloutweg : I have no doubt that there's some truth in the news. But, and order for either TAM or Varig is a very polarized rumor. I mean that for such an exact d
29 Wukka : "Mega Order"? Something that will surpass EK and their commitment? What is a "Mega Order"? This must be something beyond huge! Or is the title of this
30 C010T3 : That's what I was going for.
31 LipeGIG : I believe TAM will acquire 6 to 8 A380 plus some additional A330 (6 to 12) and A350. By the way, UA will begin code-share on JJ flights this Wednesday
32 Post contains links Jog : I think this is the one with the highest chance of being realisitic as it was basically confirmed by Bologna already (see http://www.flightglobal.com
33 Post contains images Columba : I am hoping for additional A380s and A350s for JJ
34 Post contains images OHLHD : My bet is a VARIG longhaul order. It was rumored before. On the otherhand a A380 order by TAM would be great too.
35 Kaitak : If it is a long haul order for RG, can it get back some of the routes it previously operated -for example, the LHR route now operated by TAM?
36 Jog : TAM has its own frequencies to LHR which is independent of RG. RG should be operating their own flights since the 29th of October again. I did not re
37 Dellatorre : Which little bird made you believe such thing????? If that really happens it's gonna be a major boost to JJ international plans. Finally can we see n
38 Airtebiong : It is indeed running, im not quite sure of the frequency though. It's nice to see RG in LHR again! My bet is on this one too.. Although im a little b
39 Post contains images Columba : Well, nobody would have expected that Air Comet and Aerolinas Argentinas would order the A380, too
40 SBBRTech : I never thought JJ had that much of backlog demand for international passangers, even after RG´s collapse. Domestically where could they use the A
41 Post contains images OHLHD : They could get some A340-600 and have them mostly F and J Class with a small Y-Class section. However I doubt that there is so much confidence back i
42 Post contains images LipeGIG : It's a bet considering the current market issues that i know. TAM is focused on increase their international network, where yields are better and wit
43 Dellatorre : Although not certain, I gotta admit this seems to be a quite logical move. In the coming years, JJ could be facing A380 competition from AF, LH & BA
44 Incitatus : You are forgetting that a very large aircraft like the A380 will be a desincentive for TAM to open longhaul routes outside of GRU. For example, in a
45 Donzilasse : Felipe, Richard mentioned in another forum the possibility of this however it did not sound like this could be the news for the 21st. What's your opin
46 Post contains images LipeGIG : I agree with you and has been my main comment here on A.Net, more routes to more pairs of city's instead of the massive concentration at GRU. But wit
47 EddieDude : But with both Ocean Air and the new Varig flying to MEX, there is no room for JJ to apply for MEX authority, is it? Can LHR and MXP support this capa
48 Donzilasse : Felipe, Very interesting news. I guess that we will have to wait and see about the A380,s. I am a little bit surprised because I always considered TAM
49 Post contains links C010T3 : No, there isn't, but there are 4 frequencies left on the bilateral to any other destination in Mexico. Frequencies list for October: http://www.anac.
50 AFGMEL : LOL, just saw this. A bit pointless surely?
51 YVRLTN : Have all the F100's gone?? A318 would be a good replacement, as they have a large A32S fleet (rather than introduce a new type such as the Embraer).
52 Dellatorre : There are 7 left in the fleet. All schedule to leave JJ in 2008.
53 Post contains links Incitatus : " target=_blank>http://www.anac.gov.br/anac/sri/sri.asp Hmmm.. interesting! Lots of yummy information. Thanks. Notice for example, Fortaleza is not a
54 LipeGIG : The question is that, ANAC use to be very open to requests for additional capacity. They manage to increase France, Germany and Italy. I'm not surpri
55 BAKJet : Pointless, yes,but funny if it happened
56 Donzilasse : Felipe, Let me know and we can have a drink on South Beach Lasse
57 FCKC : I guess the annoucement will EITHER be Tam or Varig , but probably NOT BOTH the same day.
58 AMSSFO : According to my list it's 12: PT-MQC PT-MQD PT-MQF PT-MQJ PT-MQK PT-MQR PT-MQS PT-MRA PT-MRB PT-MRE PT-MRG PT-MRH Would you be able to give the fate
59 Vfw614 : Those who are talking about "Mega" probably refer to the Brazilian market. Half a dozen A380 from a Middle Eastern point of view is laughable, but qui
60 Post contains links Robffm2 : According to TAM's investor information at the end of the third quarter there were still 13 F100, by the end of 2007 there should be only 6 left and
61 LipeGIG : Yes, i'm working on this but i can guarantee to you that TAM JJ network will run with only 1 F100 (plus 2 on PZ) by December 10. Not confirmed, only
62 AM744 : Which got me wondering. Are there incentives for Brazilian airlines when buying Embraer aircraft? I guess it would be cheaper to buy Embraer than Air
63 GatiBOSGRU : Could it be true? Are my prayers really going to be answered? Hehehe... FANTASTIC NEWS !!! Nov. 23 has just gotten a BIG star on my calander !!! :D
64 JJMNGR : Dear All, Did not see this post before and must say sorry for those who asked me questions and they were not answered. I have no information to give y
65 C010T3 : There is a new rumour that JJ is leasing two 767. I mean there are so many rumours circulating, that I don't believe any of them.
66 Dellatorre : I have to agree. When I first read this news on Jetsite I was a bit uncertain, but as of now it does look something is going to be out next week. My
67 JJMNGR : What I can tell you that B763 are pure gossip!
68 Post contains images OHLHD : This is what I believe as well. Introducing another type to their fleet would be really a surprise and I won´t believe that it would be viable to do
69 Post contains images Matheus : All my bets are for Lan. I've heard a lot of rumours of Lan trying to get into Brazillian market ( far the largest in LA), so will be not a surprise
70 Dellatorre : Tell me about it!!! I thought he was joking when I first read it. One thing that has been on my mind lately is how will JJ operate the A320 in some d
71 Copacabana : I always wondered why they didn't go for the EMBs?? I mean it is obvious A320 is too big for many of their domestic destinations!!!
72 Post contains links and images Copacabana : Ok guys, the gossip it's over!!!! The so called "mega order" of Airbus in Brazil first handed by www.jetsite.com.br it's for Oceanair and not RG or JJ
73 C010T3 : Well, I guess Jetsite managed to spread false rumours once again.
74 AMSSFO : During the 4Q07 PT-MQT left the fleet to Chabahar Air/Iran Air. Of these 13 only 7 were active at the end of 3Q07. PT-MQT has recently been followed
75 Robffm2 : Thanks for clarifying that.
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