Dellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1084 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 21662 times:
According to the Brazilian aviation website www.jetsite.com.br , Airbus is going to announce on Nov 21st a mega order in Brazil. Right now rumors go into 2 directions.
1 - The acquisition of A380 aircraft by TAM.
2 - A new long haul fleet order by Varig.
The announcement is kind of certain. What really needs to be known is whether it's mega or not and whose ordering it.
Let the gossip begin!!!!
To be honest, I didn't expect any of those to happen.
I could see TAM going for the A380, but not before 2010 or even later. Since RG is being run by GOL, I would expect at least a preference for Boeing product. I guess we'll have to wait and see what unfolds out of this.
Hey Richard (JJMNGR), do you have any tips on this one!!!
I almost forgot. There is even a retouched picture of A380 in JJ colors.... Is this supposed mean something.......
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 21566 times:
I was always sure that JJ would get A380s sooner or later, with a growing economy at home and a home-market of 150 million people.
Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter): 1 - The acquisition of A380 aircraft by TAM.
2 - A new long haul fleet order by Varig.
Seems more like two mega orders.
Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter): According to the Brazilian aviation website www.jetsite.com.br , Airbus is going to announce on Nov 21st a mega order in Brazil. Right now rumors go into 2 directions.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11742 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 21520 times:
Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter): I could see TAM going for the A380, but not before 2010 or even later.
It would have to be a later delivery. I think all the A-380 production slots are already taken until some time in 2012. I'm not so sure about an A-380 order for TAM, perhaps some (12-24) A-330s?
Or maybe RG is going to order some A-330Fs to work along side of their B-777Fs.
This is one of Brazil's best aviation websites, run by a re-known aviation specialist (Gianfranco Betting). I can assure he wouldn't make up stuff like that if he didn't have anything behind it.
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4): It would have to be a later delivery. I think all the A-380 production slots are already taken until some time in 2012. I'm not so sure about an A-380 order for TAM, perhaps some (12-24) A-330s?
I meant that JJ would only consider ordering the A380 in 2010 or later.
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1737 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 21318 times:
Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 5): Would JJ buying a couple A380 or RG going for a dozen A350 be considered mega?
RG going for A350 would definitely be considered a "mega blow" to Boeing by some of the members here - just as JJ buying 8 77Ws was considered a "major victory" by the same people.
Not that much. It has grown from an announcement from Airbus to a an announcement of a huge order.These rumours have come straight from the Brazilian Airport Gossipers Association. Trust me, everybody denies it, but it exists.Everyone somehow connected to aviation in Brazil has a membership. You wouldn't believe what people are capable of inventing down here. There are rumours of new 744 for Varig being spread, since they got rid of theirs in the first place.
Incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3789 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20525 times:
Mega.....? Say 50 widebodies or 100 narrowbodies?
Mega order is very unlikely. Air traffic growth slowed in Brazil and due to ATC constraints the government is not interested in high air-traffic growth anymore.
Quoting Thorben (Reply 3): I was always sure that JJ would get A380s sooner or later, with a growing economy at home and a home-market of 150 million people.
I am sure the A380 is not coming to TAM. A lot of those 150m + people cannot afford air travel. Outside of Sao Paulo - Miami there are no longhaul markets to take the A380. Not even SP - Paris.
Dellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1084 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20427 times:
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10): Not that much. It has grown from an announcement from Airbus to a an announcement of a huge order.These rumours have come straight from the Brazilian Airport Gossipers Association. Trust me, everybody denies it, but it exists.Everyone somehow connected to aviation in Brazil has a membership. You wouldn't believe what people are capable of inventing down here. There are rumours of new 744 for Varig being spread, since they got rid of theirs in the first place.
I respect your opinion about the source, but i don't agree!!! The same website was one of the first ones in Brazil to reveal BRA's intention to acquire E-jets, way before the airline annouce its order, regardless of how badly run BRA is. Oops! Should i say was!!!
I think is very unlikely for someone like Gianfranco, Jetsite's creator, to give an information like this being based on false rumors. He even set the date for the announcement..If it wasn't true, why would he put his reputation on the line? We would find out by the 21st that anyways.
KL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1576 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20288 times:
Gol replacing its whole B737 fleet with an A32X fleet + RG ordering A350's
Yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5286 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19515 times:
the 380....between Sao Paolo and Rio of Course!
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19078 times:
Quoting KL808 (Reply 13): Gol replacing its whole B737 fleet with an A32X fleet + RG ordering A350's
This must constitute a mega order.
This would be HUGE!!! It could also explain why the Boeing head of Sales is stepping down. GOL has been a staunch Boeing customer so a switch would be a financial and psychological blow for Boeing.
Another option would be that Emirates is buying a Brazilian carrier and kitting out the fleet with Airbii.
LH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18899 times:
Quoting Dellatorre (Thread starter): According to the Brazilian aviation website www.jetsite.com.br , Airbus is going to announce on Nov 21st a mega order in Brazil. Right now rumors go into 2 directions.
1 - The acquisition of A380 aircraft by TAM.
2 - A new long haul fleet order by Varig.
The announcement is kind of certain. What really needs to be known is whether it's mega or not and whose ordering it.
Let the gossip begin!!!!
I guess it may be JJ firming up their Paris commitment + a couple of extra frames
BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 56 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17374 times:
Quoting KL808 (Reply 13): Gol replacing its whole B737 fleet with an A32X fleet
Since 2004 GOL has placed (87) firm orders for 737-800 while only taking delivery on (21) of them... Having another (30) 737-7 active and (12) 737-8 leased and your saying they are going to what cancel (60+) 737-8's on order and buy from Airbus?
Yeah ok...
As far as JJ why and where do they need the capacity for A380's? They already have (8) 77W on order.
BSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 347 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16889 times:
JJ ordering A380 would be very shocking.
Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 18): As far as JJ why and where do they need the capacity for A380's?
Good question, but maybe in the next decade they could fill those A380 on routes from GRU to MIA,JFK,CDG,FRA,LHR... But I think the 777-300 is already "big enough".
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 21 Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16824 times:
Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 12): I respect your opinion about the source, but i don't agree!!! The same website was one of the first ones in Brazil to reveal BRA's intention to acquire E-jets, way before the airline annouce its order, regardless of how badly run BRA is. Oops! Should i say was!!!
Not the first, nonetheless.
Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 12): I think is very unlikely for someone like Gianfranco, Jetsite's creator, to give an information like this being based on false rumors. He even set the date for the announcement..If it wasn't true, why would he put his reputation on the line? We would find out by the 21st that anyways.
There will be an announcement, but other sources don't mention an order or even the size. It wouldn't be the first time that false rumours have been propagated by Jetsite.
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16222 times:
Quoting Loalq (Reply 21):
Agree. But I thought this were already firm...?
I heard rumors that GIG would be the first brazilian airport (even before GRU) to be remodelled to accomodate the A380, anyone with info on this?
Rgds, Loalq
That may happen, because the Government of Rio de Janeiro is pressuring the Federal Government for the remodelling of GIG's T1. Since the T1's jetways are quite old, it's almost certain that they will be replaced. GIG never had a space issue, has the best infrastructure in Brazil and improvements of its taxiways are already on their way. The rumour makes total sense, specially after Infraero's president stated that GIG will be the only Brazilian airport to be adapted to the A380, which I actually don't buy. It is very probable that GRU will only get A380 positions, when T3 is built. Have you seen the gates at GRU? The exiting corridors are just too narrow.
Donzilasse From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15835 times:
This sounds a little to good to be true and if true I would only see two options.
1, Varig possibly could go for the A350.
2. JJ and A380 ? The only reason for this would be if JJ don't think that they can obtain enough of frequences to FRA and believes that their new connection with Star will bring so much traffic that they can fill them. The conservatism of Mr. Bologna probably would speak aginst this but, maybe a couple of frames could ensure JJ a continuing leading roll as the #1 Brazilian International Airline.
This sounds a little to good to be true but, I might find out on the 21st when I will be flying JJ8075 from MIA to GRU and CNF.
Donzilasse From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15767 times:
Here the news! sorry only in Portuguese but the news confirms that it is only two alternatives.
1. JJ nuys A380
2. New longhaul fleet for Varig.
Lasse
Airbus anunciará mega venda no Brasil
No próximo dia 21, a Airbus vai anunciar um grande negócio no Brasil. As apostas mais altas são duas: a venda de aeronaves A380 para a TAM ou de uma nova frota de longo curso para a Varig. Enquanto isso, o jetsite já apresenta uma imagem do A380 nas cores da TAM. Façam suas apostas.
25 Donzilasse: Sorry, I screwed up my flight number should off course be JJ8095. Lasse
27 LongHaul67: If there are already plans to upgrade T1, wouldn't it make sense to upgrade to also accommodate the A380?
28 Hloutweg: I have no doubt that there's some truth in the news. But, and order for either TAM or Varig is a very polarized rumor. I mean that for such an exact d
29 Wukka: "Mega Order"? Something that will surpass EK and their commitment? What is a "Mega Order"? This must be something beyond huge! Or is the title of this
31 LipeGIG: I believe TAM will acquire 6 to 8 A380 plus some additional A330 (6 to 12) and A350. By the way, UA will begin code-share on JJ flights this Wednesday
32 Jog: I think this is the one with the highest chance of being realisitic as it was basically confirmed by Bologna already (see http://www.flightglobal.com
33 Columba: I am hoping for additional A380s and A350s for JJ
34 OHLHD: My bet is a VARIG longhaul order. It was rumored before. On the otherhand a A380 order by TAM would be great too.
35 Kaitak: If it is a long haul order for RG, can it get back some of the routes it previously operated -for example, the LHR route now operated by TAM?
36 Jog: TAM has its own frequencies to LHR which is independent of RG. RG should be operating their own flights since the 29th of October again. I did not re
37 Dellatorre: Which little bird made you believe such thing????? If that really happens it's gonna be a major boost to JJ international plans. Finally can we see n
38 Airtebiong: It is indeed running, im not quite sure of the frequency though. It's nice to see RG in LHR again! My bet is on this one too.. Although im a little b
39 Columba: Well, nobody would have expected that Air Comet and Aerolinas Argentinas would order the A380, too
40 SBBRTech: I never thought JJ had that much of backlog demand for international passangers, even after RG´s collapse. Domestically where could they use the A
41 OHLHD: They could get some A340-600 and have them mostly F and J Class with a small Y-Class section. However I doubt that there is so much confidence back i
42 LipeGIG: It's a bet considering the current market issues that i know. TAM is focused on increase their international network, where yields are better and wit
43 Dellatorre: Although not certain, I gotta admit this seems to be a quite logical move. In the coming years, JJ could be facing A380 competition from AF, LH & BA
44 Incitatus: You are forgetting that a very large aircraft like the A380 will be a desincentive for TAM to open longhaul routes outside of GRU. For example, in a
45 Donzilasse: Felipe, Richard mentioned in another forum the possibility of this however it did not sound like this could be the news for the 21st. What's your opin
46 LipeGIG: I agree with you and has been my main comment here on A.Net, more routes to more pairs of city's instead of the massive concentration at GRU. But wit
47 EddieDude: But with both Ocean Air and the new Varig flying to MEX, there is no room for JJ to apply for MEX authority, is it? Can LHR and MXP support this capa
48 Donzilasse: Felipe, Very interesting news. I guess that we will have to wait and see about the A380,s. I am a little bit surprised because I always considered TAM
49 C010T3: No, there isn't, but there are 4 frequencies left on the bilateral to any other destination in Mexico. Frequencies list for October: http://www.anac.
50 AFGMEL: LOL, just saw this. A bit pointless surely?
51 YVRLTN: Have all the F100's gone?? A318 would be a good replacement, as they have a large A32S fleet (rather than introduce a new type such as the Embraer).
52 Dellatorre: There are 7 left in the fleet. All schedule to leave JJ in 2008.
53 Incitatus: " target=_blank>http://www.anac.gov.br/anac/sri/sri.asp Hmmm.. interesting! Lots of yummy information. Thanks. Notice for example, Fortaleza is not a
54 LipeGIG: The question is that, ANAC use to be very open to requests for additional capacity. They manage to increase France, Germany and Italy. I'm not surpri
55 BAKJet: Pointless, yes,but funny if it happened
56 Donzilasse: Felipe, Let me know and we can have a drink on South Beach Lasse
57 FCKC: I guess the annoucement will EITHER be Tam or Varig , but probably NOT BOTH the same day.
58 AMSSFO: According to my list it's 12: PT-MQC PT-MQD PT-MQF PT-MQJ PT-MQK PT-MQR PT-MQS PT-MRA PT-MRB PT-MRE PT-MRG PT-MRH Would you be able to give the fate
59 Vfw614: Those who are talking about "Mega" probably refer to the Brazilian market. Half a dozen A380 from a Middle Eastern point of view is laughable, but qui
60 Robffm2: According to TAM's investor information at the end of the third quarter there were still 13 F100, by the end of 2007 there should be only 6 left and
61 LipeGIG: Yes, i'm working on this but i can guarantee to you that TAM JJ network will run with only 1 F100 (plus 2 on PZ) by December 10. Not confirmed, only
62 AM744: Which got me wondering. Are there incentives for Brazilian airlines when buying Embraer aircraft? I guess it would be cheaper to buy Embraer than Air
63 GatiBOSGRU: Could it be true? Are my prayers really going to be answered? Hehehe... FANTASTIC NEWS !!! Nov. 23 has just gotten a BIG star on my calander !!! :D
64 JJMNGR: Dear All, Did not see this post before and must say sorry for those who asked me questions and they were not answered. I have no information to give y
65 C010T3: There is a new rumour that JJ is leasing two 767. I mean there are so many rumours circulating, that I don't believe any of them.
66 Dellatorre: I have to agree. When I first read this news on Jetsite I was a bit uncertain, but as of now it does look something is going to be out next week. My
67 JJMNGR: What I can tell you that B763 are pure gossip!
68 OHLHD: This is what I believe as well. Introducing another type to their fleet would be really a surprise and I won´t believe that it would be viable to do
69 Matheus: All my bets are for Lan. I've heard a lot of rumours of Lan trying to get into Brazillian market ( far the largest in LA), so will be not a surprise
70 Dellatorre: Tell me about it!!! I thought he was joking when I first read it. One thing that has been on my mind lately is how will JJ operate the A320 in some d
71 Copacabana: I always wondered why they didn't go for the EMBs?? I mean it is obvious A320 is too big for many of their domestic destinations!!!
72 Copacabana: Ok guys, the gossip it's over!!!! The so called "mega order" of Airbus in Brazil first handed by www.jetsite.com.br it's for Oceanair and not RG or JJ
73 C010T3: Well, I guess Jetsite managed to spread false rumours once again.
74 AMSSFO: During the 4Q07 PT-MQT left the fleet to Chabahar Air/Iran Air. Of these 13 only 7 were active at the end of 3Q07. PT-MQT has recently been followed
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