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Finnair Long-haul Punctuality Less Than 50%?  
User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9471 times:

A Finnish friend of mine who follows Finnish forums says that Finnair long-haul flights are frequently delayed for several hours, and in fact the punctuality is less than 50%, with delayes averaging 2 hours. Is this true, and what gives? Just one example being today's HEL-JFK, which was said to have left 4 hours later than scheduled.

Is a 40-50% on-time figure for a European carrier typical, and are those figures (including the average delayus) available somewhere to be seen?

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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9438 times:

Their punctuality has suffered a bit, probably due to growth pains, but certainly not that much. I was only able to find an on time statistic for the whole fleet (84%), but long haul flights can't be as different as you've described.

I think a lot of people are shocked by the raw number of delays, forgetting how quickly the widebody fleet has grown. This may cloud their judgment if they're intensely following every little thing that happens.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9399 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Thread starter):
and in fact the punctuality is less than 50%, with delayes averaging 2 hours

Wow, that sounds really much. I think it is to much to be true.



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User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9155 times:

84% for the whole is not bad, relatively. Was if from last year, or from last month? But has the trend been downwards, as I understood from my friend?

HEL-JFK is late again today. Will it be 3 1/2 hours as it was yesterday...


User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9150 times:

Quoting FFlyer (Thread starter):
in fact the punctuality is less than 50%, with delayes averaging 2 hours.

Might be true, but

1. Most of the flights are just only a little over 15 minutes late, delays more than one hour are not that common.
2. The average delay is that long probably because a small number of flights being several hours delayed which add the delay minutes while most have only small delays.

Quoting FFlyer (Reply 3):
HEL-JFK is late again today.

It's departing on time from Helsinki.  Confused

[Edited 2007-11-14 03:54:00]


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

http://files.aea.be/RIG/SerQlty/Consumer/DL/CR07-Q3.pdf

According to data of the Association of European Airlines, Finnair's longhaul flights had an on time departure rate of 63.1% during Q3/2007, which is indeed below average. Unlike AF and BA, which are suffering from ground delays at their respective homebases, AY's weak performance is almost entirely cause of a relatively overstretched widebody fleet of relatively small size with little operational spare capacity.


User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9092 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
Unlike AF and BA, which are suffering from ground delays at their respective homebases, AY's weak performance is almost entirely cause of a relatively overstretched widebody fleet of relatively small size with little operational spare capacity.

Not entirely true. For example this summer long-haul flights had to be delayed often due to problems with baggage loading in Helsinki and also some of the delays are due to waiting for passengers coming from delayed connecting flights from Europe.



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User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5390 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9033 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
AY's weak performance is almost entirely cause of a relatively overstretched widebody fleet of relatively small size with little operational spare capacity.

...partly made up of very unreliable MD-11s. Do you have numbers on MD-11 vs. A340-300 dispatch rates? Having so many MD-11s can't be helping AY at all.


User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8916 times:
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I think that AY has the tightest MD-11 rotation so no wonder that those old planes haves issues.  duck 


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User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8875 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 3):
HEL-JFK is late again today. Will it be 3 1/2 hours as it was yesterday...

Yeah, seems to be two (2) minutes late. AY5 estimated arrival time @ JFK 15:57.


User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8818 times:



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 7):
...partly made up of very unreliable MD-11s. Do you have numbers on MD-11 vs. A340-300 dispatch rates? Having so many MD-11s can't be helping AY at all.

I don't think it's fair to call them unreliable. As mentioned, the rotation is extremely tight. In fact, I recall them bragging about it.

Quoting FFlyer (Reply 3):
84% for the whole is not bad, relatively. Was if from last year, or from last month? But has the trend been downwards, as I understood from my friend?

Last month. The trend has been downwards, but I don't think it can continue, because at some point they'll just hit a wall and have to stop expanding. Demand to Asia was 40% higher last month than for the same period last year, by the way. The growth is becoming very unhealthy.

The lack of aircraft will likely continue until the A350 is delivered, but we can also expect more general congestion until the new terminal extension is finished in 2009. Unfortunately I don't believe the problem will be solved completely until a new terminal is built.


User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5390 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8802 times:



Quoting Teme82 (Reply 8):
I think that AY has the tightest MD-11 rotation so no wonder that those old planes haves issues.  

KL's MD-11 rotation is pretty insane as well. It's a little strange that the two largest remaining MD-11 pax operators are also two of the airlines most notorious for scheduling very, very high utilization rates. The MD-11 was never an extremely reliable aircraft. I don't know anything about AY's dispatch rates, but the MD-11 is by far the worst mx hog in KL's widebody fleet.


User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8794 times:



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 7):
Do you have numbers on MD-11 vs. A340-300 dispatch rates? Having so many MD-11s can't be helping AY at all.

I don't have exact numbers, but AY's three A343's have already caused many cancellations and delays. I'd say they're equally reliable.

And as a side note, AY's technical division has probably the most knowledge and experience of the MD-11 in the world (their own words), and that is helping AY!



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User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Just to update this with some recent experiences:

There happened to be somebody whom I know on board the JFK flight (two weeks ago) I mentioned in the first post, and now another guy, a good friend of the first guy, left for HEL last night on AY6....which was delayed for three hours. Obviously due to a late arrival of the incoming flight. I also heard from these guys that there has been at least two cancelled Finnair Asia flights within the last seven days.

Does not sound like a very reliable operation to me.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8532 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 13):

Wow, it seems that AY has a really bad on-time performance on their long-haul service.



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User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8522 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 13):
also heard from these guys that there has been at least two cancelled Finnair Asia flights within the last seven days.

What is this big deal with AY cancellations?
Yes, there was on Saturday flight to BKK and on Saturday flight to PEK cancelled due the engine problems with OH-LGG.

How about US airlines cancelling their long hauls? Is it an big deal in US?


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8513 times:



Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 15):
What is this big deal with AY cancellations?
Yes, there was on Saturday flight to BKK and on Saturday flight to PEK cancelled due the engine problems with OH-LGG.

How about US airlines cancelling their long hauls? Is it an big deal in US?

Well, I would assume that that the Finnair cancellations make a bigger percentage of their long haul operations than those of some bigger airlines. For me....I just happen to know people who are reporting those to me. No such contact to other airlines.


User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

Look, while it's true that they're not as punctual as they used to due to reasons outlined above, this anecdotal evidence is painting a way too bleak picture.

Especially since the main reason behind increasing cancellations and delays is their amazing growth. They know what they're doing, but business conditions are rarely ideal even when you're expanding.


User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

Ok, please check also airlines like SK or LH. They do have also cancellations with their longhauls.
SK973 CPH-BKK is very often cancelled or moved to the next morning.

Here in Finland these AYs cancellations are not so big deal, all pax was moved to another airlines or they had next AY flight to their destinations.

And yesterdays HEL-JFK AY5 had a stop at KEF. Reason for this is not known. So it was late on arrival @ JFK.


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8467 times:

Yes, I understand. But the reasons behind it (growth?), or the cancellations of other airlines don't change the fact the Finnair's long haul operations have not been very reliable (lately) at all.

User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8399 times:



Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 18):

Here in Finland these AYs cancellations are not so big deal, all pax was moved to another airlines or they had next AY flight to their destinations.



Actually, I'd say some Finnish people are more prone to exaggerating the issues. I'm not denying that there's a small problem, but like I said before, people seem to be used to the number of delays caused by a fleet of four widebodies, and then get surprised when something is almost always wrong with a larger fleet.

And then you get the morons who start ranting (at the airport) about how AY ruined their holiday because they'll be arriving in Bangkok in the evening instead of the afternoon. People never change Big grin


User currently offlineJlarsson From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8308 times:

I spoke just last week with a check in agent at CPH, handling Finnairs flight. He had absolutely nothing good to say about Finnair. They are always delayed in and out of CPH, and a lot of business passengers are used to many delays for several hours or cancled flights. They only fly Finnair because they practically give you money to fly with them. I'd much rather fly SK and *A.  box 


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User currently offlineOkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8237 times:



Quoting Jlarsson (Reply 21):

Press Release

17 Oct 2007

Finnair Wins Danish Travel Award

Finnair scooped top prize in the Best European Airline category in the Danish Travel Awards, in Copenhagen.

"We are really proud and delighted at this award," says Finnair Sales Director in Denmark, Sari Fairchild. "It's concrete proof that we are offering a high quality product and service concept in an extremely competitive market.

"This success confirms that Finnair's overall package with the fastest connections to Asia through Helsinki has been working," says Sari Fairchild. "It's the first time we have won such an award here in Denmark and in doing so we have overtaken some major airlines. The Danish market is highly discerning and quality-conscious, and we are very happy that we have earned their confidence."

Finnair has increased its flight schedules to Asia significantly in the last six years from nine weekly departures to 59.

Finnair Plc
Communications
17.10.2007

For more information http://www.standby.dk/4435.0.html?&t...i1[showUid]=25692&cHash=f026204382


Rest of the Nordics seem to love AY, a lot of them fly with them! Not SK... Big grin

Regards, okAY


User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8242 times:

I just spoke to a friend of mine who has frequently flown SK. He had absolutely nothing good to say about SAS. His flights got always cancelled due to various strikes and groundings of the fleet because of maintenance and safety issues. He only flies SAS because the CEO of his company is the SAS CEO's lover and that is the only way SK gets any passengers these days.

I'd much rather fly AY and oneworld, who get me there where I need to go on time.  box 



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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8213 times:



Quoting Jlarsson (Reply 21):
I spoke just last week with a check in agent at CPH, handling Finnairs flight. He had absolutely nothing good to say about Finnair. They are always delayed in and out of CPH, and a lot of business passengers are used to many delays for several hours or cancled flights. They only fly Finnair because they practically give you money to fly with them. I'd much rather fly SK and *A.

Very interesting opinion given that their on time arrival percentages are almost identical. 85.4 and 75.1 for Finnair short and long haul flights in Q2, while SAS' are 81.7 and 74.3. Finnair seemed to have some extra trouble in Q3, but let's not go too far into the year or we'll have to start talking about the Q400.

I found this report: http://files.aea.be/RIG/SerQlty/Consumer/DL/CR07-Q2.pdf


25 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : You know that's not true. Btw, just last week I missed my CPH-HEL flight since my arriving OK fight PRG-CPH was late and AY left right on time.
26 Post contains images BrisseDK : Wow, that is what I call a dedicated CEO! How many lovers does he have then? All carriers see their fair share of delays and cancellations. Both AY a
27 TristarSteve : " target=_blank>http://files.aea.be/RIG/SerQlty/Cons...2.pdf Be careful which figures you use. I was reading this and thought wow this is good, but t
28 Killjoy : It's standard practice to draw the line at 15 minutes as far as I know. Besides, all the figures were from the same report, so they're comparable in a
29 FFlyer : Yesterday's Finnair flight to Bangkok was delayed for seven (7!) hours, and today's Delhi flight has been cancelled. These seem to happen every single
30 LordHowe : " target=_blank>http://files.aea.be/RIG/SerQlty/Cons...2.pdf I have always wondered if the cancelled flights are also counted into this kind of stati
31 PHKLM : They've managed to reduce this delay to 40 minutes on the return trip (i.e. it is scheduled to arrive back in HEL 40 minutes later than planned).
32 EFHK : That is to avoid the evening's BKK or PEK to be delayed due to the late arrival of OH-LGG from BKK. This past week has been the worst for MD-11 opera
33 LordHowe : Quite understandable! At least there have been more rotation to the original plan of rotation. Let's hope that everything will be going better now th
34 FlyingAY : I fly regularly between CPH and HEL (last time yesterday both ways) and I always choose Finnair, because they are on time most of the time - I really
35 FFlyer : Finnair's JFK seems to be only one hour late today, so there is some improvement!
36 Teme82 : PEK flight new info at 10.00 pm... but that is because the BKK was yesterday 7 hours late.
37 FFlyer : Wasn't the plane from the cancelled Delhi flight supposed to replace the plane on this flight? I mean, it was cancelled to prevent further delays. Ma
38 Teme82 : Nope, it replaced today's BKK flight if I'm not mistaken.
39 Finnaviation : Delay of PEK has nothing to do with late arrival of AY96 BKK.
40 LordHowe : Everything has to do with everything - concerning AYs MD11 fleet. Delhi flight AY21 was cancelled today because of (AY95) BKK flight's problems yeste
41 Bennett123 : As Teme82 said they only have a small fleet of A340 and MD11 trying to fly too many routes. The other problem is that spare A340/MD11 elsewhere are li
42 Teme82 : OH-LGG is the plane so you are correct. He had some issues earlier with engines so it looks like they got it sorted somehow...
43 Bennett123 : Which is the ex VARIG bird, no surprise.
44 PHKLM : Well, not quite. ETD is now 00h50 Finnish time. Tomorrows Delhi flight (AY22) is again Cancelled, and tomorrows AY52 is obviously foreseen to be dela
45 Post contains images Teme82 : Yeah I bet they leave around 03:00 am. Yeah AY don't have the metal hanging around so delays are reality and cancellations. I do hope they can speed
46 Finnaviation : Yes, if AY21 HEL-DEL was candelled so is todays AY22 DEL-HEL.
47 VC10DC10 : Lots of longhaul aircraft in lots of very good airlines are older than AY's MD-11s. I think the burden of proof is on those who claim that MD-11s are
48 PHKLM : Now wait a minute VC10DC10. I think Finnair is a very professional airline and I am sure there is nothing wrong with their MX department. The strateg
49 VC10DC10 : PHKLM, You're right, I went too far with my language, and I apologize. My main complaint is with criticizing airlines for, in effect, simply being too
50 Finnaviation : OH-LGG has nothing left from Varig. It had D-check after it arrived at HEL from VCV and GIG and Finnair Maintenance fixed it like other six their MD-
51 PHKLM : Appreciated. I understand your point of view: it is easy to blame an airline with a limited number of frames. They have no choice then to cancel a fl
52 Post contains images Killjoy : They are not focusing on holiday traffic, but it might be accurate to say that they care more about the punctuality of routes with more business traff
53 FFlyer : Just heard that today's HEL-JFK has been cancelled. How many days is it now in a row, that AY has these very irregular long haul operations? November
54 Killjoy : I wonder what's broken. This is getting a bit ridiculous.
55 EFHK : Apparently it's OH-LGG, again.
56 LordHowe : Yes it is! But it is definately not the only one experiencing problems, because yesterday's PEK flight (AY51/OH-LGC) also left several hours late aft
57 LordHowe : LGG is finally ok - now on it's way to JFK! Regards, LordHowe
58 Post contains images Teme82 : With full load. I do hope that it will have no problems in JFK end like traffic and mechanical problems.
59 Post contains images EFHK : And now things are back to normal - all 9 long-hauls departed finally on time today!
60 Persotvik : Great, delays happen from time to time with so few aircraft in the longhaul fleet. Yesterday SK had problems, IAD-CPH 4 hours delayed on the A330-300
61 Post contains images Teme82 : OH-LGG: AY87 next info at 17:20 well well .... looks like LGG has some issues again... don't look so good right now..
62 BOAC911 : What has the punctuality of HEL-PVG been lately. We ar schedules to fly on that route next month? If I had known this I wouldn't have booked with Finn
63 PHKLM : Abysmal. An on-time departure rate of less than 60% and an average delay of 30 minutes. 15% of the flights was excessively delayed (more than 45 minu
64 Post contains images PHKLM : I can't answer that question for you. Better check your own ticket purchases
65 FlyingAY : As a comparison, could you give the statistics out of LHR, CPH or AMS for example? I haven't registered into flightstats.com, so I am not able to loo
66 PHKLM : This ex-VARIG plane is a true problem maker in the AY fleet then. It is now scheduled to depart with a 2 hour delay, but if this target is not met th
67 AverageUser : AY in fact D-checked the airframe before introduction to service with AY. I really don't see any proof that -LGG would be any less reliable than the
68 Finnaviation : Since March 2007 there have been 13 cancellations on AY long haul traffic: caused by: OH-LGB 1 times OH-LGD 1 times OH-LGG 7 times OH-LQA 1 times OH-
69 PHKLM : Well, the site was down again so I couldn't. You are right about the Flightstats.com, they might be off or be based on erroneous datasets. But, the P
70 FunFlying : Due to snowstorm at HEL airport. That causes lots of delays today, not just for Finnair or their longhauls.
71 Post contains images EFHK : Thanks for putting this together. And the interesting part is that 3 A340-300s have caused 4 cancellations, and 7 MD-11s 9 cancellations, making the
72 Post contains images Teme82 : Yeah +2 Celsius and snow storm. Not the ideal situation here. But it's all part of the weather in this time of year. 3 planes vs. 7 planes but lately
73 FlyingAY : On the other hand, the A340 is a completely new type for AY, and we've still seen only 4 cancellations. Think about it, they've been operating the MD
74 AverageUser : But what if you evaluate the reliability of OH-LGG from the introduction of the service in January 2006, and not a year AFTER the fact? If and when t
75 Finnaviation : As I wrote above:
76 Persotvik : I have now studied this thread and my impression is that PHKLM is mostly interested to critizise the MD11 itself, more than AY punctuality. AY and KL
77 AverageUser : Ok, acknowledged, but was there any comment or info on the March 2007-Jan2006 dispatch reliability of OH-LGG?[Edited 2007-12-03 15:28:54]
78 Levg79 : Does anyone know why it had to divert to KEF and how much it spent there? It would be interesting to see Iceland, at least the airport. If I remember
79 Finnaviation : Today one more cancelled flight for AYs MD-11 can be added. AY57 HEL-PVG is cancelled. Todays AY58 PVG-HEL is also delayed. It's been quite black 1,5
80 Jlarsson : Well, you are entitled to express your own thoughts according to the law. so, fire him for this would bee illegal. So FlyingAY, I think you are just
81 Post contains images PHKLM : It is really nice I have people thinking for me. I don't think I have criticized the M11 wrongfully. The plane might be a wonderful technological mar
82 Post contains images FlyingAY : Heh, I think your comment tells a bit more about who is actually bitter and pissed off. Although the statistics from flightstats.com are not complete
83 Finnaviation : I would like to see this kind of thread about SAS's long haul operations and punctuality.
84 Post contains images EFHK : That's only because one of them has been in Paris for the last few weeks. Well on the other hand new technical issues arise with ageing planes. That
85 PHKLM : I think the crucial part is the limited size of AY's operations. A minor incident is going to ruin the entire planning and ripple through the network
86 Teme82 : Yeah OH-LQA is going some maintenance (D-check or similar?) over AF tech there in Orly?
87 LordHowe : Nope! AY58 is going to arrive 03.50 am tomorrow morning - so that cannot be the case. There must some other frame broken too as AY5 was delayed to wa
88 Post contains images B747forever : Hey, your little..... Do not bring up SAS just because we talks about AY.
89 Finnaviation : Hey you, I'm not bringing it here. I just asked is there any thread about SAS delays on long haul. I'd like to see how is SK doing with this. Is that
90 B747forever : Okey, I see. Sorry. Was little to hard. Would be interesting to see SAS on time performance.
91 OkAY : I think he said that just because there is a guy from Sweden posting comments about SK and *A being better than AY in his opinion. I dont want to pic
92 Scandinavian : Yesterday SK 904 was cancelled because the aircraft was hit by a truck/loader at EWR. Wonder when that plane will fly again? SK 945 to ORD was cancell
93 AverageUser : It ain't by no means over no way yet.
94 B747forever : Okey, then I understand why he said that. Sorry again for being so hard.
95 Post contains links PHKLM : Certainly. Respected A.net member HB-IWC has given us a lot of valuable information in the past. KLM decided to move the M11 to lower-yielding holida
96 OkAY : I am sorry, English is not my mother tongue, I thought " is going to have" is a future tense. What I meant by this sentence was that these problems t
97 B747forever : Would be nice to know the same for AY. Then you can make a great and valid comparison.
98 FFlyer : Since I started the thread, I thought I would also mention one two-hour delay which I experienced a few years ago on HEL-JFK. That one was due to inco
99 FFlyer : Looks like today's AY flight from Shanghai to HEL is delayed for....14 hours 20 minutes! That's what we can call a delay, the mother of all delays.
100 Someone83 : I was supposed to be on that, and was transfered to the Malaysian MH91 flight to ARN instead, together with 100-150 other passengers from SK904 (my a
101 AverageUser : 16 hours after a recent increase. The way you put it could make one to believe that the career the type is ending here and now, which is not the case
102 Levg79 : Now that's ouch, it would probably cause a distraction in the entire SK long-haul network. What's going with Scandinavian airlines these days? Does a
103 OkAY : But it is well established fact the AY MD11 fleet is not going anywhere for a few years still... If you mean by this that if it is possible to get th
104 FFlyer : Cut some of the Asia frequencies, and this way either have one plane as a spare, or at least have more time for service? Postpone introduction of new
105 AverageUser : I suggest a change of the CEO. He seems not to appreciate the fact that running an airline is also a deeply technical business. His previous manager
106 Post contains images Teme82 : The investors from Iceland would not like that They just want some profit like any good Ferengi....
107 B747forever : I doubt that AY use their MD-11s more than 16hrs a day. Or are I wrong????
108 Post contains links AverageUser : That's what they say all the same. 16 hours on the average. From the Ministry of Trade and Industry's press service: http://www.ktm.fi/index.phtml?i=
109 Finnaviation : Let's take a closer look at OH-LGA this week: (all times local/from gate to gate) Sun 02/12/07 HEL-DEL AY21 02:20pm-12:19am Mon 03/12/07 DEL-HEL AY22
110 B747forever : Wow, AY really use the MD-11 much. Maybe to much.
111 Post contains images Finnaviation : Hey, why it is so quiet here? AY's A343 (LQA) stuck in BOM and nobody noticed it. Left HEL yesterday 4 hrs late and no it's coming more delay in BOM.
112 LordHowe : Just arrived today from HKG with the "problem-bird" OH-LGG. Nice and steady all the way and as far as I understand she flew back to China (CAN) just a
113 FlyingAY : The new Airbuses should take care of that in two years - nobody's able to do that in a second. In my experience, the 2-4-2 seating in the Airbuses be
114 Teme82 : Yeah as Flying AY said Airbuses will fix that problem in few years and the old MD11's will be converted to freighter's.
115 Finnaviation : After MD's it is time for Airbus problems.
116 FlyingAY : We were talking about the 3-4-3 seating, which is of course not an MD-11 problem, but still, currently Finnair has no intention to change that in the
117 Finnaviation : If 3-4-3 seating is a big problem so why don't you sit in 3-4-2?
118 FlyingAY : Well, I usually do sit in the 3-4-2 part (and more preferably in the -2 part of that), but I believe there are hundreds of people flying everyday tha
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