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Airbus A350XWB - Reaches 400+ Orders/Commitments.  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22106 times:

Despite a very difficult birth, the Airbus A350XWB has quickly turned into one of the fastest selling widebody's in Aviation history.

Congratulations to Airbus on a job well done.  Smile




(*) Currently a MOU/LOI

AIRBUS A350-800

Aeroflot x 18
Aer Lingus x 6* (No model breakdown given)
Afriqiyah x 6* (No model breakdown given)
Alafco x 12
CAAC China x 20* (No model breakdown given)
CIT x 5
DAE Capital x 30* (No model breakdown given)
ILFC x 12
Kingfisher x 20*
Libyan Airlines x 4* (No model breakdown given)
Pegasus x 2
Qatar x 20
TAM x 22* (No model breakdown given)
US Airways x 18
Yemenia x 10

TOTAL: 205 Frames


AIRBUS A350-900

Aeroflot x 4
CIT x 2
Emirates x 50
Finnair x 11
Group Marsans x 10*
ILFC x 8
Qatar x 40
Singapore Airlines x 20
US Airways x 4
Vietnam Airlines x 10*

TOTAL: 159 Frames

AIRBUS A350-1000

Emirates x 20
Qatar x 20

TOTAL: 40 Frames


AIRBUS A350 CUSTOMERS (NON -XWB)

Tap Portugal x 10
Air Europa x 10
Eurofly x 3
GECAS x 10 (never firmed up)
Bangkok Airways x 6 (never firmed up)

Regards,
Wings


Aviation Is A Passion.
154 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 22022 times:

Excellent news. I'd love to fly it.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21952 times:

As for future orders...........................................?

BA ,Qantas, Gulf, Thai, Etihad, Lufthansa, Air France, Iberia

These are among the potential orders coming over the next 24 months.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21919 times:



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A350 CUSTOMERS (NON -XWB)

I think the non XWB won't be built. These orders are all changed into XWB.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21866 times:



Quoting ZRH (Reply 3):

I think the non XWB won't be built. These orders are all changed into XWB.

I'm aware of this. It was presented to highlight the airlines that commited to the non-XWB version, and have yet to confirm a conversion into the A350XWB.

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4692 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21839 times:
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Quoting ZRH (Reply 3):
I think the non XWB won't be built. These orders are all changed into XWB.

the non XWB is definitely not being built, but not all the orders may end up as XWB orders that is still obviously being discussed by the customers and Airbus.


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21837 times:



Quoting ZRH (Reply 3):
I think the non XWB won't be built.

That is correct.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 3):
These orders are all changed into XWB.

No, they aren't, these orders have to be renegotiated, since the XWB is an entirely new aircraft compared to the earlier A350, both when it comes to the price tag and its capabilities.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21727 times:



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Congratulations to Airbus on a job well done.

Indeed. I wasnt that interested in the XWB but I have come to like it and the number of orders to date is very impressive. Congrats to Airbus.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21357 times:

Bangkok Aw has said recently they will stay with Airbus and will place an A350XWB order.

If one airline having commitments for the A350 , and not order A350XWB , i believe Air Europa will be this one , and could go to the 787, as Boeing is pushing hard for that.


User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 559 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21251 times:



Quoting Brendows (Reply 6):
No, they aren't, these orders have to be renegotiated, since the XWB is an entirely new aircraft compared to the earlier A350, both when it comes to the price tag and its capabilities.

Which means if you subtract the 87 orders they booked in 2005 for a canceled program, Boeing won the orders 2005 order race.

n1786b


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21256 times:

Unbelievable!!

I wonder how many records Airbus has broken the last 30 days. There are at least 2:

1. Fastest selling widebody.
2. Largest passenger jet in Service.

I think the biggest order inflow for a year.
But I also wonder if Airbus now has the largest backlog of Jets in history as well.

Anyone to correct the last two, or add some more?


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21197 times:

They've done well to claw back a lot of orders. Now it's down to engineers to produce a killer plane.

User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21115 times:



Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):

Which means if you subtract the 87 orders they booked in 2005 for a canceled program, Boeing won the orders 2005 order race.

Sure, if you do inconsistent stuff like that then you can make anyone win the orders race - even Bombardier!

Cancellations are counted in the year they happen, not in the year of the order - that is why Airbus has a large difference between net and gross for the A350XWB this year, many are cancellations of the A350 and new orders for the A350XWB and provide very little net increase to the EOY numbers.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21074 times:

I am sure that soon LH will order the A 350 including aircrafts for Swiss.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20963 times:



Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
Quoting Brendows (Reply 6):
No, they aren't, these orders have to be renegotiated, since the XWB is an entirely new aircraft compared to the earlier A350, both when it comes to the price tag and its capabilities.

Which means if you subtract the 87 orders they booked in 2005 for a canceled program, Boeing won the orders 2005 order race.

 no 

Orders which were originally placed in 2005 for the old version are NOT being recounted on the Airbus spreadsheet.

If an airline ordered a dozen A350's in 2005 and converted them to a dozen A350XWB's in 2007, the net increase on Airbus' spreadsheet is zero


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30565 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20879 times:
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Despite claims to the contrary by some, I think the fact the A350 and 787 have sold so strongly so quickly is a sign that they truly are "revolutionary" planes and airlines understand this and are willing to invest so heavily in them, years before they first took to the skies.

User currently offlineDank From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20799 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Despite claims to the contrary by some, I think the fact the A350 and 787 have sold so strongly so quickly is a sign that they truly are "revolutionary" planes and airlines understand this and are willing to invest so heavily in them, years before they first took to the skies.

Will do my ornery self and say that I disagree. I think that it shows that both are great products that are well timed with the current market (i.e. higher costs of oil, expansion of the traveling public, etc.).

cheers.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20708 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
I'm aware of this. It was presented to highlight the airlines that commited to the non-XWB version, and have yet to confirm a conversion into the A350XWB.

It seemed to me, that in general the conversions in the past often included a rise in the number of planes ordered.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Despite claims to the contrary by some, I think the fact the A350 and 787 have sold so strongly so quickly is a sign that they truly are "revolutionary" planes and airlines understand this and are willing to invest so heavily in them, years before they first took to the skies.

They are using a lot less fuel than current planes which makes them very very attractive, given how fuel prices have developed in the past couple of years and are feared to develop in the future. Who knows how much a barrel will be in 2015.


User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 559 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20669 times:



Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):
Orders which were originally placed in 2005 for the old version are NOT being recounted on the Airbus spreadsheet.

 yes  The entire orders are being recounted in the Aircraft Orders in 2007 tab.  redflag 


http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...items/11_29_05_USAirways_A350.html

US Airways firms up order for 20 A350s
29 November 2005

Following a commitment announced in May 2005 by US Airways and America West, US Airways Group - the merged entity of the two low-cost carriers - has firmed up their order and signed the contract for 20 Airbus A350 aircraft.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...items/11_29_05_USAirways_A350.html

US Airways firms up order for 92 Airbus aircraft; order includes 22 A350 XWBs
Press release
5 October 2007

Following an agreement announced in June 2007, US Airways has now signed the contract for the purchase of 92 Airbus aircraft, including: 18 A350-800s, 4 A350-900s...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This Firm order was counted in 2005 totals. It is currently sitting on Row 87 of their Aircraft Orders in 2007 tab on their spreadsheet as 18+4 (thus a total net gain of two).

Yet all 22 are counted in this years totals. Just like all 20 of ILFCs order, ALAFCO's 12 ordered in Dubai 2005, and Finnair's 2006 order.

I'll grant you that they are not double-counted in the Worldwide tab. But counting the entire order in 2007 is misleading at best.


- n1786b


User currently offlineKbdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20552 times:



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A350-800

TOTAL: 205 Frames

97 FIRM + 108 MOU/LOI




Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A350-900

TOTAL: 159 Frames

139 FIRM + 20 MOU/LOI

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A350-1000

TOTAL: 40 Frames

40 FIRM


FIRM ORDER grand total today is = 276
MOU/LOI grand total today is = 128



For a perspective...does anyone have the Boeing current 787 FIRM + MOU/LOI count? I know the 787 firm order count is 738 + ?? MOU/LOI (QFx20 + BAx24??)


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20243 times:

This whole "lets count MOIs...sometimes" thing gets really tiring.

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19994 times:



Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
Qantas

I think qantas will take a serious look at the 787-10 since it will give great fleet commanality


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30565 posts, RR: 84
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19501 times:
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Quoting Dank (Reply 16):
Will do my ornery self and say that I disagree. I think that it shows that both are great products that are well timed with the current market (i.e. higher costs of oil, expansion of the traveling public, etc.).



Quoting Thorben (Reply 17):
They are using a lot less fuel than current planes which makes them very very attractive, given how fuel prices have developed in the past couple of years and are feared to develop in the future. Who knows how much a barrel will be in 2015.

But they lose less fuel in new ways. It would be one thing if they found a new alloy of Al that was significantly lighter and building them just like they do current planes.

But CFRP and bleedless engines (for the 787) are new and untried technologies for commercial airliners. Yes, Boeing and Airbus has tested them up the wazoo and have done a masterful job of showing the airlines these planes will be safe. But NH and AY were the first airlines to "take the leap" and put their trust in Boeing and Airbus to pull it off. They saw something special in these planes and their commitment convinced others to follow.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5161 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19359 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 21):
I think qantas will take a serious look at the 787-10 since it will give great fleet commanality

The 787-10 isn't for sale... so if QF were looking for that capacity to be ordered now.... then they would only have the A350 to choose from


User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19078 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 23):
The 787-10 isn't for sale... so if QF were looking for that capacity to be ordered now.... then they would only have the A350 to choose from

i guess you didnt see the recent thread about boeing getting close to firming up the 787-10 saying they already had a number of customers to fill orders for about 200 planes. So one of those is probably QF since they really wanted the 787-10 in the beginning.


25 Post contains images PM : Nor did I. Should we assume that some of these will be conversions from -9s?
26 Carls : It is amazing how things change . One year ago Airbus was struggled with the A350XNB and the A380 delay, and the 787 was in the spot light. Today Airb
27 Post contains images Stitch : And yet: Both companies are having their third consecutive 1000+ order year. The A388 is now in revenue service and the 787 continues towards first f
28 Caljn : If you're an airline in need to place an order for aircraft, and the suppliers are essentially an oligopoly, the aircraft manufacturer has little cho
29 Post contains images Stitch : Very true. The future holds great promise from two new airplane families, yet two proven airplane families are also available right now. An embarrass
30 ER757 : I think you're both right - they are revolutionary aircraft and are well-timed to take advantage of the marketplace. Amazing how well the 787 has don
31 Post contains images Stitch :
32 WingedMigrator : There are already about as many orders & commitments (a bit over 400) for the A350 as for the entire A340 series, 14 years after A340 EIS and 6 years
33 Klkla : I had to laugh when reading this one. Airbus has delivered exactly ONE A380 after all this time. The A350XWB has finally gained some momemtun after n
34 Hloutweg : The won orders in 2005 stay in the 2005 books regardless of whether they they were ever delivered. Now those orders count as cancellations in the cur
35 Post contains images SandroZRH : And so is Airbus, sorry to disappoint you. But still has a lot of time between 787 EIS and A350 EIS to catch up, or so I think
36 Ikramerica : The A350XWB has 276 firm orders, and technically, let's say they are all ordered from Dec 1, 2006. For perspective, the 787 has sold 290 firm frames
37 WingedMigrator : Airbus traditionally firms a significant number of orders in the last few days of the year, making the order total at the 10.5 month mark seem low. T
38 Pilot21 : EI have firmed this order with Airbus and have coosen the 900 variant for the first 6 firm oders. The rmeinaing 6 options they hold on the model are
39 PM : Have they officially committed to the RR trent yet?
40 Columba : I also seemed to have missed that thread, I only have read that EK choose Airbus because of the non availbility of the 787-10.
41 Pilot21 : No announcement on the Engine choice yet, I suppose they've a few years to decide, and they may wait to see if GE climb onboard the programme. Also,
42 Danny : At the same time Airbus counts cancellation of the original A350 order. Sorry to disappoint you.
43 PanAm_DC10 : Add one more. C-JET of Hong Kong have ordered the first VIP A350-XWB, it is not yet stated which model the VIP variant is based upon. Regards, PanAm_D
44 EI321 : I always thought they would be thye 900, even after many thought the 900 was too big for them.
45 N1786b : Please show me that on the 2007 Orders tab of their spreadsheet. Can you please show me where the cancellations of the original A350s appear in the s
46 Vfw614 : Errr, nobody said that the A350X is the fastest selling widebody ever. Suggest you re-read the very first post in this thread.....
47 NorCal : Keesje tried a few days ago with a now deleted thread.
48 Post contains links Columba : Well it is still there but not in civ av: A350XWB: Fastest Selling WB In Aviation History? (by Keesje Nov 11 2007 in Aviation Polls & Prefs) But it w
49 Post contains images Jben : Well, I guess this has shut up the "paper airplane" people :p I'm guessing the performance guarantees from Airbus are good enough that customers are s
50 Carls : My intention wasn't make a comparison between each model. But since you started, let's see. As far as everybody knows the A380 is in track, unless yo
51 Zeke : Bit of an update of what has been happening on the A350 front.... Please note, it has been stated mainly by North American posters on here recently th
52 Post contains links N1786b : Leahy did.... "The A350 is now the fastest-selling aircraft in history," Leahy said by phone from Dubai, where Emirates is based. http://www.iht.com/
53 Stitch : Yup. Airbus has proven to the airline's satisfaction that the plane is "the real deal" and airlines are responding. I want to believe that GE is revi
54 Zeke : M8 is the final detail design freeze, the design freeze that has passed finalised the engine selection, performance, size, weights etc. M8 is when al
55 Post contains images Caljn : Congrats to Airbus !! Here's hoping they can sign up a blue chip carrier...
56 Joni : Well, if you look at the minute they inked the deal to Emirates the A350 was selling at a pace of 70 per minute... but I don't think that's the large
57 Columba : EK,QR, AY, US, SQ.........are not considered blue chip carrier ?????????????????????????
58 KC135TopBoom : Congrades to Airbus, but the A-350 comes in second to the B-787 as the fastest selling WB in history. Yes, these were all for the stillborn A-350 Mk.
59 Zeke : Airbus does not put a dash between model designators, never have. Can you please leave it out, it makes it impossible for the search engine to pick u
60 Post contains images AirTranTUS : You don't think there are enough posts in this thread that have "A350" to make up for it? He said passenger and freighter. He said nothing to the con
61 KC135TopBoom : Correct Hmmmm? The A-350XWB is a paper airplane, as is the A-400M, KC-30A, A-330F, B-777F, and B-747-8i/f.
62 Post contains links BlueSky1976 : http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6783/kc30bxg8.jpg - better scratch KC-30 out of that list soon...
63 FlyingAY : I think it is a bit childish to argue about this, and I think many have taken Leahy's words out of context. Of course, if we look at the current mont
64 NorCal : Well with nearly a decade between commercial launch and EIS, it should be able to rack up the most pre-EIS orders ever. This is what is all boils dow
65 RayChuang : I think Lufthansa is probably a leading candidate for a large A350 order, particularly if they can convince Airbus to build a lower-MTOW version of th
66 Columba : They tried to do that with the A330 - I think it was called the A330-500 nobody except LH was interested and Airbus droped the programm and as it see
67 Legoguy : Errrrrr yes, the opening post says ONE of the fastest selling widebody's in aviation... not THE fastest selling widebody which you seem to be trying
68 YULWinterSkies : You got it. Yeah, good job Airbus. Fresh cash, all what they need! Right, but I'm also wondering if airlines' orders strategy are not chnaging? Plan
69 Stitch : Who cares how fast it sold 400 copies. It sold 400 copies. Even if that is how many it ever sold, that would be something to celebrate, not denigrate.
70 Columba : I think this is the most amazing fact about the 787 and A350: before they even rolled out the very first time they have sold more copies than most of
71 HawkerCamm : Why make a lower-MTOW. For 3000-4000nm flights airlines have the option to use the payload range to carry more passengers. Go for a high-density 2-cl
72 Carls : No, he said that the 747-8 both Passenger and Freighter has outsold the A380, and I stated that the 747-8 neither individually nor combined have outs
73 Vfw614 : I think this thread nicely demonstrates the whole problem we have with all these A & B threads. The opener simply stated that the A350WXB is one of th
74 AirTranTUS : Your 20+20 figures are inaccurate. The 748 has sold more than that.
75 Moo : Yup, to date the 747-8 has sold 88 fram - 25 747-8i 63 747-8F Incidentally, the first firm sale for the 747-8 was almost exactly two years ago tomorr
76 Carls : Yes, you are right. I made a mistake. But the point is that the A380 has outsold the 747-800 I and F. And I did not mentioned this just to start an A
77 Post contains links and images WINGS : Well Tap Portugal has finally confirmed its conversion for to the A350XWB, while at the same time increasing their commitment to 12 frames, an increa
78 EI321 : Not bad at all, considering Leahy predictided 200 orders on the books by the end of 2007.
79 Post contains images Teme82 : Hmm... I was under the impression that AY would go to the -800 series but now it seems that they will get the -900 series. Anyway all those variants w
80 NorCal : How many actual firm orders do they have now?
81 EI321 : 294 firm. Expect the bulk of the remainder to be firmed before January.
82 Aircellist : Just a precision: the 727 sold 1831 copies. But it is true that "success" does not have the same meaning now than 30 years ago. The 787 has sold more
83 SandroZRH : Sure they are, minus AY.
84 Post contains images IliriBDL : When will the deliveries start for the A350 and if anyone knows what is the schedule for US to get their first one? Thanks in advance.
85 Pnwtraveler : As great as the orders for the A350 and 787 are for the aircraft industry, at some point historical comparisons become meaningless because the marketp
86 Stitch : The first A350-900 is scheduled to be delivered in 2013. US' first delivery is scheduled for 2014 per Wiki.
87 Post contains images Teme82 : Hey AY's chips are blue or at least the tail is
88 Ken777 : I'm past the point of which plane is the fastest selling - both A&B are selling very well, and we haven't seen the Airbus End of Year Blowout. What I
89 Post contains images SandroZRH : aswell as for current and future pilots
90 Post contains images Worldrider : what misleading??? the previous version's orders are CANCELLED, the A350XWB is a new plane! isn't this a bit hypocrit? YEP, as blue as their flight c
91 Ncfc99 : Please enlighten us as to the names of the airlines you think are blue chip?
92 Post contains images Scbriml : Guys, lighten up. It was a joke, hence he put a after the statement.
93 Klkla : All I said is they have delivered exactly ONE. I'm credible enough to know that. Do you have information that they have delivered more? The delay at
94 Stitch : Color me confused... Airbus was supposed to deliver one A380 in 2007 and they have met that requirement. Why is this a bad thing? They are supposed t
95 Post contains images Moo : There is also a strong credible rumour that Airbus will pull forward the delivery of SQ's second A380 by 2 or 3 days into 2007, thereby delivering do
96 Post contains images Mariner : Oh. Color me disappointed. I thought it was Richard Aboulafia speaking. mariner
97 Post contains links AF2323 : Are you sure? Excerpt from a Bloomberg article (october 10th) : http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=aL_CahN9Tq4g&refer=home
98 Astuteman : I don't know if anyone shares my amazement that a widebody has reached c. 300 firm sales, and could well reach 400 firm sales, a full 6 years before
99 Chiad : I do! I do!! It's just that .... with all the orders for Airbus lately I am simply overwhelmed. The sales of the A330, A320, and even the A380, are j
100 SandroZRH : Exactly. Some people tend to forget that the A350 still has 6 years to go before actually entering revenue service. These numbers are excellent.
101 Post contains images Slz396 : Oh no! that can't possibly be true! I mean, it is officially known the man is a bigmouth, talking out of his neck!!! 2 new A380 customers in 2007?! R
102 BrianDromey : All it really proves is that Leahy is talking out of his derriere. Boeing have fumbled the 787 programme. True. Airbus made a monumental cock-up of t
103 Post contains links and images WINGS : I actually count 5 new customers, even though one is still at an early stage of negotiations. Aerolineas Argentinas x 2 (MOU) Al Jaber x 2 (LOI) Air
104 Post contains images NorCal : How about when he said Boeing would never build the 787 Or when he said the A330 would equal the 787 Or when he said a slightly warmed over A330 woul
105 Post contains images Abba : Spot on!
106 Gunsontheroof : Anyone else here think that the strong sales of the A350XWB/B787 have less to do with their "revolutionary" design and more to do with massive demand
107 Post contains images Scbriml : I don't believe the airlines really care about the detailed design or technology used by Airbus or Boeing. What they do care about is the fact that t
108 Art : Very true to me. I also think that because the 787 and the A350XWB are slightly different in size, both Airbus and Boeing will win some orders becaus
109 Post contains images Stitch : Well between the 787-9 and the A350-800, my money (if I was an airline) would be on the 787-9. But that is about the only planes from each model that
110 Aircellist : I don't know if anyone shares my amazement that a widebody has reached c. 300 firm sales, and could well reach 400 firm sales, a full 6 years before
111 Post contains images Astuteman : It might not be far off in sales this year...... I can understand why your money would be on the 789.. Interested in your thinking behind that statem
112 Post contains images Vega9000 : Well, from the point of view of the enthusiast, I'm not so sure. The flip-side of these fantastic sales is that, in the near future, airports are goi
113 PM : @ Stitch Post #109 Is the A350 rendition new? That's the first picture I've seen with the new (bland) cockpit.
114 Post contains images Stitch : I think it just works out to be a better plane. It will be larger, while being almost the same weight. It looks to have up to 10 more LD3 positions a
115 Post contains images PM :
116 Areopagus : Hmmm, I didn't see a picture at all, but after seeing this reply, I went back to Stitch's post and found a tiny black square, which when clicked on,
117 Karan69 : Thats interesting Stitch, can you gives us LD3 capacities of the foll as well, 788 vs 332, 77W vs 3510 vs 346, 380 vs 748, 359 vs 7810 and 333 vs 772
118 Stitch : A330-200 = 26 LD3 positions 787-8 = 28 LD3 positions A340-600 = 42 LD3 positions A350-1000 = 44 LD3 positions 777-300(ER) = 44 LD3 positions A380-800
119 Tdscanuck : 777 elected to go over budget rather than run late...that's almost always an available option when you build in house but not nearly so much when you
120 Karan69 : Many thanks for that reply mate much appreciated, sorry to seem annoying but while we are at it could give us of the narrow bodies as well? Karan
121 Post contains images Scbriml : You are not alone! It's one of a.net's quaint new "features" since the servers were migrated. To be honest, it's a real pain and easy to miss the lit
122 ZRH : I absolutely agree with you. Actually it already happened. Here we see plenty of 32x, 330, 340, some 737, 767, 777, F100 and some different RJs. In t
123 Columba : Agreed, although the development of aviation is fantastic, flying will become cheaper, safer and more enviromental friendly but aircraft will start t
124 Post contains links and images Stitch : The 737 family cannot use LD3s, so all their cargo is just bulk. The A320 uses an AKH container, which is the same width and length as an LD3 (though
125 Karan69 : Many thanks for the answer Karan
126 Agill : Funny how different from eachother they look in that picture. Has been so much talk here that they were all but identical.
127 EI321 : Just to note, the A350 image is not one made by Airbus, its a suggestive Image by flight international. I think its rather ugly.
128 Abba : Then it will have the same wing as the present 8 and 9 model. That will be relatively small (supposing that it is indeed optimised for the 8/9 size)
129 Post contains images Scbriml : It's one of our new bugs. Here's an A350 image from my profile: Can you see it OK, or just a little dot?
130 ZRH : Of course they look different because they are. But there is also an optical effect from the Boeing "wave" painting which makes the 787 look more ele
131 Stitch : I can see it fine.
132 Areopagus : I see a little dot.
133 Post contains images LifelinerOne : Maybe a good time to switch from IE to Firefox...? Cheers!
134 Post contains images ZRH : Are there still people who use IE?
135 Scbriml : Some of us have no choice.
136 ZRH : (I know it is off topic) But, why? Firefox is a free program which is much better than IE. On my Mac I use an even better browser: the Apple Safari.
137 Slz396 : Correct. I too had to return to IE after trying out Firefox for a few days as I need to run Oracle software written for my employer which just doesn'
138 Post contains images Scbriml : Work provided PC. Windows XP, Office XP, IE v6. And they run agents to detect "illegally" installed software and delete it. Anyway, good to see the A
139 Worldrider : totally, that paint patern, i most admit is sexy! and makes a difference
140 Worldrider : à i doubt that one! a possible 787-10 should be put aside the 350-1000 for comparison then
141 Baroque : Double 0 agents at that by the sounds of it. Still a bit odd that they will not permit Firefox to run side by side with IE. Either will (eventually)
142 Stitch : The 787 family has longer cargo bays then the A350XWB family (as currently defined, at least). I don't know why this is the case, but it is. Airbus m
143 Ikramerica : those images are not to the same scale. unless the XWB engines are 50% larger than the 787 engines. either that or flight's mockup is just really, re
144 Post contains images Stitch : I wasn't going for scale. They just happened to be two images I had of the 787 and A350.
145 Post contains images Flipdewaf : Thats where boeing went wrong Airbus not releasing any renders of the A350? Boeing had the marketing guys splashing that ridiculous shark fin everywh
146 Stitch : I'm guessing around 2011?
147 Ikramerica : why not? why not scale the XWB down to the right size so it's a real comparison sketch? Currently the image creates a false impression about the 2 pl
148 Stitch : Because that wasn't the intention of the picture. It's intent is to note that the 787 and A350XWB make a great pair for many airlines, just as the A3
149 Scbriml : It will certainly be interesting to see how this pans out in the next few years. Will we see lots of airlines selecting both types, or will those tha
150 Post contains images Hloutweg : Well the controversy over the appearance of the new plane wont be settled till Airbus releases some images themselves, but I know i have a good eye an
151 EI321 : Wow that nose is uncannily like the BAE 146
152 Hloutweg : I never thought about it like that. It does look like it.
153 Post contains images Airbus A380 : I was thinking of the BAe ATP.
154 Post contains images Varig md-11 : making fine metal is good it's better if they don't spoil them the way they did with Etihad's baby
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