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One Bag Rule To Be Relaxed In The UK  
User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7093795.stm

At last !
See JGHP1A, it's not the fault of BAA, but as stated before, the DfT make the rules. Hopefully,this will make everyone's life easier including mine

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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6003 times:



Quoting 747438 (Thread starter):
Hopefully,this will make everyone's life easier including mine

And make all the Cabin Crews life harder as they struggle to find the space onboard again and put up with any annoyed passengers whos bags wont fit onboard when all the space has already been taken.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5987 times:

Good. Sensible policies for a happier Britain !

Quoting 747438 (Thread starter):
See JGHP1A, it's not the fault of BAA, but as stated before, the DfT make the rules. Hopefully,this will make everyone's life easier including mine

I will maintain to my dying breath that BAA insisted that the one-bag rule be put in place. The only reason it's being lifted now is because BAA are losing out on connecting traffic to CDG, AMS, FRA etc - it never has been about security, only profitability.


User currently offlineDoor5right From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 707 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

This is all very well but this is probably going to mean longer time now in the security queues. My recent trip returning from London Stansted took 46mins from joining the queue to reaching an X-ray machine. Will they be relaxing the 'shoes off' routine? Will BAA be putting on extra staff. There is absolutely nothing more maddening than queuing and queuing and reaching the X-ray machines only to find half of them unmanned through staffing problems.


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5913 times:



Quoting Door5right (Reply 3):
Will BAA be putting on extra staff.

Hehe. You made a funny.

Quoting Door5right (Reply 3):
staffing problems.

I guess you could call "being too tight-arsed to hire enough staff" a "staffing problem"  Smile


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5885 times:



Quoting 747438 (Thread starter):
See JGHP1A, it's not the fault of BAA, but as stated before, the DfT make the rules

I recall the previous discussion being referred to here, but I'm afraid that I had a tendency to agree with JGHP1A, in that it was at the very least, a very convenient (for them) imposition at the time.

I remember BA dropping the BFS-LHR route in 2001, a route which hadn't been profitable for them for many years, but which continued to be operated until after Sep. 11th of that year which afforded BA the perfect excuse to pull out.

Call me cynical if you must, but I do believe that JGHP1A is correct in maintaining a certain degree of suspicion when it comes to such matters, and at the end of the day although the DfT required the implementation of the rule, it would have been done in consultation with the airport operators, who may have seen an opportunity to make life rather easier for themselves a a consequence. I can see JGHP1As point.

Anyway,

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
Good. Sensible policies for a happier Britain !

I agree whole-heartedly.

Quoting APYu (Reply 1):
And make all the Cabin Crews life harder as they struggle to find the space onboard again and put up with any annoyed passengers whos bags wont fit onboard when all the space has already been taken.

Perhaps, but airline operators have been promoting this themselves anyway prior to the one-bag rule being implemented, in order to differentiate themselves from other operators and each other's carry-on bag rules, but ultimately to avoid the use of airport facilities and therefore in the long-term enabling them to renegotiate handling contracts, airport usage charges etc by their decreasing use of said facilities.

This was about giving passengers choice and more flexibility, but ultimately it was about the same old thing. Money, and how to save money, and ultimately how to make money without spending any.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27337 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5884 times:



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
I guess you could call "being too tight-arsed to hire enough staff" a "staffing problem"

LOL.....A 5 year old could sort out the problems at BAA and their security lines!!! The problem is that you need educated and intelligent people to sort out complex issues such as scanning 2 bags per passenger OMG how will they cope .

Anyway sarcasm aside , its about time . Stupid rule in the first place. One small backpack and a laptop bag is all I take anyway so this 2 piece rule will fit me fine. Before I just put them in a black plastic bin liner and then separated them after security. So it wasn't really working anyway !!!


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5866 times:
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About time too!

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
it never has been about security, only profitability.

- Agreed!



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User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5826 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
The problem is that you need educated and intelligent people to sort out complex issues such as scanning 2 bags per passenger

An unfair comment !


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2239 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5822 times:

Finally!!!

It's been a farce anyway: "one bag" meant that I stuffed my second bag in the first one, which made it too big and complicated to look at through X-ray, so the security staff took out the second bag out of the first (and didn't mind, since I had complied with bringing only bag up to the scan). Of course there goes the argument "to speed things up".

As for the space on planes: given that all other European countries allow for two bags to be brought on board and that crews can perfectly manage, I don't see why leaving from a UK airport should suddenly pose a space problem. Or do they physically reduce the size of the overhead bins? And also: I can only bring one bag to security - but it's OK to use all the shops after security and to walk on board with four more huge shopping bags. How silly...

Whatever, this move is a sign of common sense, which leaves another bastion of absurdity to be taken down: why is it dangerous to transport a tube of toothpaste, but not dangerous to transport that same tube of toothpase in a little transparent plastic bag?

Thank god the IQ of most people working at security is one digit, so they don't realize how stupid the rules are they are enforcing.


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5813 times:



Quoting 747438 (Reply 8):
An unfair comment !

I do believe that the comment you're referring to was made with just the slightest hint of sarcasm.



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User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5813 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 9):
Thank god the IQ of most people working at security is one digit,

A sad and pathetic generalisation.

Quoting Mozart (Reply 9):
so they don't realize how stupid the rules are they are enforcing.

Really ? Would you care to clarify that ?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27337 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5770 times:

Time will tell with the opening of T5 and the relaxed bag rule. At the moment LHR is best avoided . I never thought Id actually say that as I was brought up near LHR and worked there and loved it. I dont like what they have turned it into over the last 5-10 years. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes!!!

User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5751 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Time will tell with the opening of T5 and the relaxed bag rule. At the moment LHR is best avoided . I never thought Id actually say that as I was brought up near LHR and worked there and loved it. I dont like what they have turned it into over the last 5-10 years. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes!!!

Perhaps I am wrong, however over the years I've become of the impression that with development and expansion over the years, that there has been no clear intent to ensure that developed ares of the airport will operate in synergy with those under construction. Stick a bit on the side, and then another bit on the side of that and hope it all works fine.

As I say, I'm no expert on the pros and cons of construction or architecture, but it all appears to be a bit "thrown together" for want of a better phrase. I'll suggest AMS, for example, as to how airport development should be undertaken.

IMHO



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User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5709 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 9):
Thank god the IQ of most people working at security is one digit, so they don't realize how stupid the rules are they are enforcing.

You should be ashamed of such a comment. How disgusting.

The problem with 'staffing' is the usual economic one - the pay is pathetic for this kind of work, but somehow BAA expect/hope to hire high-calibre individuals, who then have an utterly thankless task of enforcing rules that everyone hates, and dealing with the kind of attitude as expressed above. It's no surprise that it's difficult to hire enough people prepared to put up with that kind of work environment.

Yes, the 1 bag rule was absurd, and whilst was a kneejerk DfT reaction to a security 'situation', was in the end not about security itself but about the effective operation of the security screening process, regardless of the colateral damage (viz-a-viz overloading the baggage system 'downstairs').

Yes, I'm inclined to suspect BAA of being complicit, but I'm no flat-Earth dumbskull, and if the evidence/facts suggest otherwise, then I will accept that as I cannot prove otherwise.

Frankly I think this discussion should be about who should be running the security screening process in the first place, as that seems to be a far more important issue.

Riv'



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5695 times:



Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 14):
Frankly I think this discussion should be about who should be running the security screening process in the first place, as that seems to be a far more important issue.

Well, who should be running it should be national government. But that's not going to happen either because if something were to make it through the security screening then the government would be responsible and accountable for that.

It's much easier to let the airport authorities make their own judgements (probable the cheapest) and by default save the government shed-loads of cash by not having to employ security civil servants at all ports of entry and exit.

We have Immigration Officers who are civilian employees of the government, why can't there be civil servant Security Officers.



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User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5635 times:

Excellent news indeed, and a victory for common sense over mindless rules that effectively were put in place to make things easier for the BAA than to actually help passengers.

But does anyone see another revenue generating opportunity for Ryanair in all of this - one carry-on is "free", the second carry-on is £5. Come on, I wouldn't put it past O'Leary

Andy


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5624 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 9):
given that all other European countries allow for two bags to be brought on board and that crews can perfectly manage

They allow you to take them to the aircraft, all airlines do, but when the bins and cupboards are full all airlines, regardless of nationality will start moving things to the hold.

For the last few years in the UK we have been able to avoid that and avoided many an unhappy traveller having their bag replaced with a baggage receipt once onboard.

To all the crews here in the forum - please continue to remove things that there is not room, regardless of whether the passenger has one bag or two!!! Safety first.



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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5524 times:



Quoting APYu (Reply 17):
They allow you to take them to the aircraft, all airlines do, but when the bins and cupboards are full all airlines, regardless of nationality will start moving things to the hold.

For the last few years in the UK we have been able to avoid that and avoided many an unhappy traveller having their bag replaced with a baggage receipt once onboard.

To all the crews here in the forum - please continue to remove things that there is not room, regardless of whether the passenger has one bag or two!!! Safety first.

In over one million miles of butt in seat flying I've only ever had bags 'gate-checked' on regional jets. Perhaps you're not happy about it but those of us that fly for business and only carry on due to time constraints will avoid LHR or not fly altogether if it becomes too difficult.

LHR needs to institute something like CLEAR here in the US... have registered traveller lanes to keep the people needing to get somewhere separate from the VFR and holidaymaking people. That would be a policy I wouldn't mind. Registered travellers get two bags, unregistered only get one.


User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5502 times:



Quoting Kanebear (Reply 18):
have registered traveller lanes to keep the people needing to get somewhere separate from the VFR and holidaymaking people.

Elitism ?
People going on holiday need to get somewhere too !


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27337 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5469 times:



Quoting Kanebear (Reply 18):
LHR needs to institute something like CLEAR here in the US... have registered traveller lanes to keep the people needing to get somewhere separate from the VFR and holidaymaking people. That would be a policy I wouldn't mind. Registered travellers get two bags, unregistered only get one.

Sounds like a good idea. People that travel 2 or 3 times a week or more should have the oppertunity to pay for ''fast track'' . The people going on holidays normally only do it 2-3 times per year so dont have the stress of commuting through BAA airports. It does make sense and as stated other countries have already implemented it. These lanes tend to be quicker also as people are used to what needs to be done when passing through security. Clean out all your pockets before getting to the lane and make sure all liquids under 100ml are in the re sealable bag . Makes life quicker.

The number of times Im delayed at security check points while some guy gets scanned 2 or three times because he has not removed keys or his belt just adds to the ques.


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5440 times:



Quoting Kanebear (Reply 18):
In over one million miles of butt in seat flying I've only ever had bags 'gate-checked' on regional jets

You're lucky - I love my Monday mornings on a BA Domestic - people would fight to the death for carry on space - its trememendous entertainment to watch. And just when its all calmed down lots of late connecting pax arrive and it all starts over

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 18):
people needing to get somewhere

Do you not just end up all on the same plane? Do you really have to rush to the lounge? Or where is it you are rushing to that others arent. I often feel many business folk (me and my colleagues included) rush through try to get a few more free drinks or a few more nibbles.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
The number of times Im delayed at security check points while some guy gets scanned 2 or three times because he has not removed keys or his belt just adds to the ques

ITs also funny to watch the security guys just hold up businessmen because theyve been rude to them or to see if they can raise their blood pressure any further. I guess thats their perk of the job. Watching the 'Do you know who I am' brigade getting pulled aside for special treatment. It really is sometimes better not to be in a rush at some airports.

Anyway guys I hope from January your journeys are easier. It will be interesting to see how the additional security measures also announced today such as increased security checking before people get into the terminal will affect other parts of the journey



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User currently offlineStandby87 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2001, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
The only reason it's being lifted now is because BAA are losing out on connecting traffic to CDG, AMS, FRA etc - it never has been about security, only profitability.

Spot on mate! My next amibition is to see all security check points manned at a BAA Airport...but I'm not holding my breath.

[Edited 2007-11-14 12:32:36]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27337 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5419 times:



Quoting Standby87 (Reply 22):
Spot on mate! My next amibition is to see all security check points manned at a BAA Airport...but I'm not holding my breath.

Please please do not ask the impossible . Manned security check points .....you mean ALL security check points manned!!!! If that happens then I will ...........well I will do something LOL...... More chance of all tills manned at Tescos then there is at LHR !!!


User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5417 times:



Quoting Standby87 (Reply 22):
My next amibition is to see all security check points manned at a BAA Airport



Quoting OA260 (Reply 23):
you mean ALL security check points manned!!!! If that happens then I will ...........well I will do something LOL...

Shame you weren't both at T3 last week then .

Quoting APYu (Reply 21):
ITs also funny to watch the security guys just hold up businessmen because theyve been rude to them

Would never happen  Wink  liar 


25 LHRBlueSkies : Moving to 2 pieces is unnecssary and a step backward, in my opinion. It will simply create even bigger security queues, and more tempers to flare, bec
26 APYu : Commercial pressures from the airlines would be my first guess for the reason. They are losing too many pax to other hubs. But im with you on this on
27 OA260 : Well you would say that seeing as you are not ''un biased'' due to your job that you do . I would expect you to say something to support your profess
28 747438 : All lanes were open !
29 Mutu : well clearly I understand this sentiment and BAA's performance over the past year since the rule was introduced has been pretty shocking. BUT we shou
30 Post contains images JGPH1A : Oh no - that's rarer than a full 9 planet alignment - must have been the 5 seconds between shifts before those going off shift left and those coming
31 OA260 : Funny that was what the CNN reporter said this evening when they reported the new rules from January. Exactly . If as Mutu says it takes 3 months to
32 JGPH1A : Actually it seems like quite a lot of them have quietly dropped these rules again. Haven't taken my shoes off at a European airport in months, even g
33 EI564 : This is a rather overplayed card. How much money could be made from passengers having 1 bag instead of 2 bags? Its not as if the baa couldn't realise
34 JGPH1A : The theory being that with only one bag per pax, they would need fewer checkpoints and fewer staff to process the same number of passengers. Or at le
35 OA260 : Indeed. You get off a flight from LA and transiting to DUB at LHR . They make you check the 2nd bag when you get to LHR no matter how small !!! Great
36 APYu : But guys, the BAA security only really need to be fully manned during short rush hour periods between probably 7 and 9am and then again between 5 and
37 JGPH1A : Those are the short-haul peaks. What about the peaks for transatlantics around 9-12 ? It depends on the terminal when the peaks are. There should be
38 OA260 : Can anyone who has been thru (recently) or works at T2 LHR answer me this. What time does security open in the mornings??? I have avoided T2 for a whi
39 EI564 : Because they are regulated, any (justifable) increase in costs will be recouped via airport charges. (It might be a bit more complicated than that fo
40 Threepoint : OK, let's give the everage traveler some credit. Many of us fly in and out of airports all over the world and some have shoes-off and some have shoes
41 747438 : Well I hope you never have to buy those doughnuts. A vast majority of the procedures are about prevention. I can understand your frustration, but I c
42 JGPH1A : Doesn't make it any less annoying. I have boarded over 700 flights and, miraculously, not one of them has ever blown up or been flown into a building
43 Post contains images 747438 : As should the screeers
44 Cornish : I have to admit, as a regular LHR traveller, I've noticed a marked improvement in the speed I'm getting through security of late. A lot of recent trip
45 Post contains images EI564 : Very true. I would also have thought that a stressed person is less likely to shop on average. Possible but not particularly relevant. Except if you
46 APYu : So why are 10 people in prison in the UK awaiting trial for plotting to blow up up to a dozen transatlantic planes by mixing their own chemicals on b
47 LHRBlueSkies : Thank you for an educated posting! Jeez, are you serious?! Tell that to the people standing trial in the UK for terrorist action! Tell that to the po
48 Post contains images OA260 : Says it all really
49 LHRBlueSkies : Pot, kettle, black? Wrong - now no limit to number of pieces in transit, only limited to 1 if you join... yeah, cos it's real easy to predict what te
50 JGPH1A : This is what I resent - being labelled a "potential terrorist" and treated as such when it plainly obvious to the entire world that I'm not. I don't
51 Cornish : That's the acid test for sure. To some extent much of the problem at the existing LHR terminals is in part down to trying to push through fa rmore pa
52 OA260 : Well one would normally expect this at a major airport . You just improvise. Same way I did when I worked at LHR. I dont see that as a big issue. Wel
53 APYu : You will in the UK from next year. Scanners at major train and bus terminals - also announced yesterday
54 747438 : So, JGHP1A, what is the profile of the terrorists we are looking out for ?
55 JGPH1A : How should I know, I'm not the one responsible - that's your job. All I know is that it's not me. Up to you to figure out the rest. But instead, you
56 Post contains images 747438 : Well thanks for clearing that up. One person less to screen
57 BDKLEZ : I'm Irish, that was good enough only up until a few years ago. Or perhaps those who attempt to smuggle their Colgate Extra-Bright through. I would su
58 Post contains images JGPH1A : Good. I'll wear a nametag so you recognise me and can wave me through
59 APYu : Some American must know as surely it can be defined using some algorithum which weights your seat choice, class of travel, method of payment, choice
60 Post contains images Cornish : No need - they should be able to spot you even when standing at the back of the queue if wearing your high heels and fruit basket hat
61 Post contains images JGPH1A : I never wear the fruit-basket hat going through LHR - they might want to xray it and that plays merry hell with the bunches of cherries. I wear this
62 BHXFAOTIPYYC : 30 years of IRA bullshit and why now ? Same with ID cards, and the exponential growth of cameras everywhere. All in the name of counter-terrorism. Is
63 Post contains images OA260 : [ LOL.....be careful ,that will be counted as 1 piece part of your carry on
64 Post contains images JGPH1A : NOOOO - it's Personal Apparel, I'm allowed ! I can fit at least 2 weeks of clothes under that hat (or the maid, if absolutely necessary).
65 Threepoint : Nonsense, rubbish and tripe. There's no denying there are 10 very misguided people that allegedly plotted to do harm. As we all know and have discuss
66 747438 : Sadly, the rules worldwide are not harmonised
67 Threepoint : They are within Canada. Airport screeners let some products pass while the same product is thrown away in a nearby airport. Has happened to me and fe
68 Post contains images 747438 : That's not worldwide though is it. Always a tough call
69 Threepoint : My point, my friend, is that the rules may not be consistent from country to country, but they are within any particular nation. And those rules are
70 Reality : Re: BAA and Bags: Was the nursery rhyme prophetic? Baa Baa black sheep Have you any wool? Yes Sir! Yes Sir! Three bags full. One for the master, And o
71 Mozart : Nothing wrong with that, and it's logic that when the overhead bins are full, they're full. But: - if space in the racks was the problem, the rule sh
72 Kanebear : Anything BUT Elitism! Everyone needs to get somewhere, yet when you have someone who may fly through LHR 3-5 times in a week, the time involved for t
73 Aerofan : About damn time. One of the stupidest rules ever. I can tell you that I did all possible to not fly to the UK this year. I usually make somewhere betw
74 Post contains images LHRBlueSkies : Nope, that's your response! Come over here and tell the security services that they are are talking "Nonsense, rubbish and tripe." See above... Becau
75 EI564 : But there is also a problem with having too many bags checked in. The system may not be able to cope with that either in LHR. Ending up with bags all
76 BMED : When travelling through LHR on BD domestic flights I've never really found the queues long but if there is a wait its normally because people are tryi
77 LHRBlueSkies : The system copes just fine! Now the 1-pce rule is in place, and people have adjusted to the new requirements, there is not a problem with excess bagg
78 Mozart : @LHRBlueSkies If the people involved in planning security procedures and processes at LHR all have the same attitude as you do, then I am not surprise
79 LHRBlueSkies : Oh, so insults are an educated response? You have no idea about my 'attitude' and so are not in a position to comment. The plastic bag is to make scr
80 Mozart : Not sure who insulted you, but not me... Why do you think it's the job of security people to tell others to slow down their lives? Who do they think t
81 JoeCanuck : It was an ill thought out, knee jerk reaction to a potential threat. As far as I understand, it was a put in place by the UK government and enforced
82 EI564 : I think LHR does get some unfounded criticism but I don't agree with this logic. You seem to be saying that people take 2 bags because they can take
83 LHRBlueSkies : Sorry but that is wrong, certainly for LHR & LGW. Airlines either do the baggage handling themselves, or sub-contract to handling agents. BAA have no
84 747438 : It's the role of the security officers to enforce the rules, not make the rules. And you are an expert on airport security ? Or maybe just an armchai
85 JoeCanuck : Finally...Last time I was through there, (this summer), the T3 transit area was a nightmare. There were only 2 machines to handle all of the transiti
86 747438 : New transit area has been opened too. A lot more room, cleaner, lighter and brighter. Far, far better for both the passengers and workers alike.
87 JoeCanuck : That is good news. It was a long time coming but better late than never, eh...?
88 LHRBlueSkies : Err, how? The DfT are VERY clear in how things are carried out - we get monitored daily, tested both covertly and non, and they keep changing the bou
89 Post contains images EI564 : Because they can carry more in other airports. Sorry, but it seems to keep coming back to that.
90 Mozart : OK, thanks for the clarification. You thus confirmed that the 1 bag rule exists to be "fair to everyone" when it comes to stowing luggage on board. 1
91 NU : This keeps coming down to consistency. Can some of the security staff here explain why it is deemed necessary to remove shoes in Terminal 1 one week a
92 747438 : In T3, the DfT have directed that there should be a separate security check point for shoes only. Shoe screening is carried out on a random basis.
93 747438 : No. Central Search is where pax starting their journey at LHR are checked.
94 NU : The DfT has different rules for different Terminals? Let me be clear: In Terminal 3 I am never asked to remove my shoes but I must remove my belt. In
95 Analog : The arrests of those conspirators says NOTHING about how plausible their plan was. The police would have acted the same way, irrespective of the wann
96 Andz : I didn't read all the posts so apologies if this was covered. I flew LHR-JNB on Thursday and in the boarding lounge I saw several passengers, mainly w
97 Mozart : That's yet another point: what takes time at security check is not a second bag (which you just haul on the xray lane), but the taking off of shoes,
98 Threepoint : Precisely, thank you. That was my point in reply #65, which LHRBlueSkies didn't seem to grasp. The rules were made for very dubious purposes (not the
99 LHRBlueSkies : Central search, as mentioned by 747438, is for joining passengers; transfer lounge is for those in transit. T4 central search has 8 lanes, whereas tr
100 747438 : In T3, central search will process around 15,000 pax in the morning and 13500 in the afternoon. Transfers in T3, a similar numver to that in T4.
101 EDICHC : Excellent point, my last vacation before leaving the UK for good was ex-LHR (-DFW-MSY) bound for a cruise ship connection. Arrival time was as time c
102 NU : Why then does my small belt which never sets off the machine in Terminal 1 ALWAYS have to come off in Terminal 3? Why should there be different rules
103 LHRBlueSkies : Yeah you will - it's human nature to grumble at something we don't like or find inconvenient, no matter what the rules say, or how they are applied.
104 Mozart : Actually people grumble less about things which are convincing and in line with common sense. There are instances where "convincing" is complex for te
105 LHRBlueSkies : Yes, but I'm too tired of trying to explain it to make you, or anyone else, try and understand it. What is needed is a common approach, worldwide, to
106 Mozart : Fully agree with what you say. Global standardization is needed and would be welcome, but probably not feasible. Also, we all accept that security is
107 747438 : I'm afraid it's you that is missing the point. As has been explained before, the rules are consistent. Please bear in mind that these are security ru
108 LHRBlueSkies : Jeez, Mozart - you are hard work!!! Liquids - contrary to what many people think in August last year there was a serious risk of undesirables bringing
109 Mozart : It does! As it for the first time in more than 100 contributions to this thread gives some sort of sense and reason to it all. Surely there will be p
110 Post contains images LHRBlueSkies : Precisely - some rules just have to be accepted, even if we don't like them. 1 - The liquids rules were made for very real reasons, accept it and mov
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