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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Lufthansa offers flights to GRU for only 334 Euro, special conditions apply.

Interesting is that this offer comes just a few days before Lufthansa's new codeshare partner TAM starts their FRA flights.


  • Purchase by: 20.11.2007
  • Departure period: 14.11.2007-23.11.2007
  • Return period: 18.11.2007-23.12.2007
  • ...


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Very good fare!! I was thinking it would be good for a mileage run but you only get 6,000 miles due to the W class booking code.

Still nice fare if you want to take a mini vacation.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Given that at least EUR200.00 of that will be German taxes, that's practically giving it away !

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Flights between Europe and GRU are very ligtly loaded this week. KLM's AMS GRU is currently underway with just 152 passengers, more than 20 of whom are non-revenue, leaving less than 130 fare paying passengers in the 330-seat B772ER. I would imagine that the situation at LH is very similar. Indeed, most GRU flights are wide open, with particularly the daylight MUC GRU flight very lightly loaded.

User currently offlineAMSGOT From Sweden, joined Jun 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2942 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Flights between Europe and GRU are very ligtly loaded this week.

Is this a yearly re-occurring event? Or just a bad week?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
KLM's AMS GRU is currently underway with just 152 passengers, more than 20 of whom are non-revenue, leaving less than 130 fare paying passengers in the 330-seat B772ER.

That sounds abnormally low for this flight. I hope it's just a seasonal low! Otherwise I wonder how KLM's going to fill up a 77W on this route from March 08.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Flights between Europe and GRU are very ligtly loaded this week. KLM's AMS GRU is currently underway with just 152 passengers, more than 20 of whom are non-revenue, leaving less than 130 fare paying passengers in the 330-seat B772ER. I would imagine that the situation at LH is very similar. Indeed, most GRU flights are wide open, with particularly the daylight MUC GRU flight very lightly loaded.

As i expect, the excessive capacity added for this summer seems to be hurting all airlines.
In Brazil all airlines are now with very nice fares even for the high season (IB, TP, LH, AF, BA, AZ, JJ, RG) and also paying to agents a very nice commission.
We got more 2x weekly from IB, LH upgraded MUC-GRU to A346 from A343, created an exclusive EZE-FRA which means GRU-FRA is now 100% for Brazil, JJ will begin GRU-FRA and GRU-MAD, CA will increase it's 2x weekly with an additional seasonal weekly frequency, TP increase 3 flights on GRU-LIS, RG is back with GRU-LHR and GRU-CDG and will begin shortly GRU-MAD as well as resume GIG-FRA.

A question, how is performing the AF daylight to GIG ? I tried to fly last sunday on GIG-CDG-LHR but there are no C seats available one week before. Is it killing the yields of the very profitable AF442/443 ?

Felipe



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2974 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2838 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Flights between Europe and GRU are very ligtly loaded this week. KLM's AMS GRU is currently underway with just 152 passengers, more than 20 of whom are non-revenue, leaving less than 130 fare paying passengers in the 330-seat B772ER. I would imagine that the situation at LH is very similar. Indeed, most GRU flights are wide open, with particularly the daylight MUC GRU flight very lightly loaded.

they are definately not here at LH. we tend to heavily overbook this particular flight. Monday I handled it at the gate and it was overbooked by 27! The same applies to the EZE run. As you know they splitted the old flight into two new flights and both flights are really full everyday.

anyway 334 EUR is really hard to compete with.


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1687 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Todays' daylight flight ex MUC had only 81 pax on board. I would call that a light load for a A340-600.
FRA flights seem to be filled better at the moment.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

In my view this is just a one-off event. GRU remains a highly profitable market for LH or KLM. In fact, it is confirmed that KLM will inaugurate its B77W flying AMS-GRU, which again shows the route is very profitable. In my opinion, KL AMS-GRU sometimes shows some irregularities, with some days having light loads, but other days fully booked (actually over-booked), and more than compensating.

The same goes for LH, which has healthy operations in GRU. In 2007 alone LH-LX increase capacity in GRU several times, wich is testament of its profitable operations and priority for GRU.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 6):
they are definately not here at LH. we tend to heavily overbook this particular flight. Monday I handled it at the gate and it was overbooked by 27! The same applies to the EZE run. As you know they splitted the old flight into two new flights and both flights are really full everyday.

Thanks


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2974 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2503 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
In my view this is just a one-off event. GRU remains a highly profitable market for LH or KLM. In fact, it is confirmed that KLM will inaugurate its B77W flying AMS-GRU, which again shows the route is very profitable. In my opinion, KL AMS-GRU sometimes shows some irregularities, with some days having light loads, but other days fully booked (actually over-booked), and more than compensating.

The same goes for LH, which has healthy operations in GRU. In 2007 alone LH-LX increase capacity in GRU several times, wich is testament of its profitable operations and priority for GRU.

I heard that they also considering to put the A380 on this route... for sure not the first LH-route with A380, but one of the 'firsts'.

I'm thinking about if TAM could chance something on that particular route with their entry in Dec.?!?


User currently offlineSAOAP From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Folks,

Just adding to the discussion: as far as I've seen, it's the flights from GRU to Europe that are bad, not the other way around. Sure, there were some flights with light loads but the fact remains that we've seen quite a few deboardings in Europe this week. The light loads ex Europe (and GRU to some extent) are expected and forseen in the seasonality.

The main problem for this is the very poor performance from the point of sale Brazil. According to BSP figures, october was a terrible month sales-wise and it's to be expected that carriers will not be able to fill all the flights. Furthermore, pretty much all european carriers plus RG and JJ have recently launched promotional fares to Europe, consequently yields are also expected to drop considerably.

The light loads ex Europe (and GRU to some extent) are expected and forseen in the seasonality. What added to the problem was simply the fact that we've seen a dramatic increase in SKO and frequencies between GRU and Europe. If you count the new flights which RG (GRU-MAD) and JJ (GRU-FRA and GRU-MAD) will launch before 31-Dec, there's almost a 40% increase in SKO when comparing the current winter timetable to the previous summer timetable and that's a HUGE increase. Once again, SKO's between SAO and Europe grew at a higher rate than the rest of Brazil, attesting to the fact that the yields in SAO are still considerably superior to those to be found elsewhere.

Cheers,

Marcelo



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2368 times:



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 9):
I heard that they also considering to put the A380 on this route... for sure not the first LH-route with A380, but one of the 'firsts'.

I have the same info, and the A380 is scheduled to come to GRU for a "test drive"...

Rgs


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