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Virgin Atlantic Why Not In SkyTeam?  
User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

Why isnt Virgin Atlantic an offical member of SkyTeam, when as a SkyTeam member you could get miles on all Virgin Atlantic flights?

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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

SkyTeam members are airlines.

Individuals earn miles.

That said, VS has a lot invested in being the independent, slightly brash player at LHR. They also have links to some STAR airlines, I think including SQ and NZ. Someone else could elaborate on this.


User currently offlineAirways45 From United Kingdom, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

Two reasons:

1) Virgin Atlantic is very anti-alliances. They believe that they limit competition. They were against BA/AA in the 1990s.
2) They are owned 49% by Singapore Airlines that belongs to Star Alliance. So, while Virgin is left alone by Singapore, they are more likely to join Star than Skyteam in my view. However, I don't see them joining an alliance.

Airways45


User currently offlineHigherflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7520 times:



Quoting Airways45 (Reply 2):
They are owned 49% by Singapore Airlines that belongs to Star Alliance. So, while Virgin is left alone by Singapore, they are more likely to join Star than Skyteam in my view. However, I don't see them joining an alliance.

I would think that there could possibly be an issue with BMI's membership in Star Alliance precluding a Virgin membership.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7457 times:

It's often said that especially LH does not want to have Virgin in StarAlliance, as they will be a too big competitor to them on the Europe-US market.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Let us also remember that under Bermuda II, none of the SkyTeam airlines could fly to Heathrow. Only Virgin Atlantic could. Not a great way to enter a partnership...

And let us also remember that Continental would NEVER have approved Virgin's entry - remember the Virgin Nigeria and Virgin America feud? WAY too much bad blood on that one.



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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7195 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
And let us also remember that Continental would NEVER have approved Virgin's entry - remember the Virgin Nigeria and Virgin America feud? WAY too much bad blood on that one.

Not that simple... CO codeshares with VS to LHR, and this has been going on for years.

VS is seating between SkyTeam and Star Alliance, but I agreee they are simply not interested in alliances, also they are not exactly a mainstream carrier, their product is very different, with an image that emphasizes inflight massages, lounge jaccuzzi and motorbike transfers...

One thing is very likely: they won't join Oneworld, at least as long as BA is part of it!


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7100 times:



Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 6):
but I agreee they are simply not interested in alliances

...be interesting to see whether/how that changes with the onset of OpenSkies.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27000 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7078 times:



Quoting Higherflyer (Reply 3):
I would think that there could possibly be an issue with BMI's membership in Star Alliance precluding a Virgin membership.

BMI seem to have a good relationship with VS they are a partner for BMI Diamond Club and you can earn miles on VS. BMI Gold card holders even have access to the Clubhouse when flying VS .


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7052 times:



Quoting Higherflyer (Reply 3):
I would think that there could possibly be an issue with BMI's membership in Star Alliance precluding a Virgin membership.

Why would that be?



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

So, no of "my alliance bigger than yours" to come soon then...


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User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6843 times:

If I am a Delta SKYMILES member can I get miles on all flight on Virgin Atlantic?

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6832 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 11):
If I am a Delta SKYMILES member can I get miles on all flight on Virgin Atlantic?

See here: http://www.delta.com/skymiles/ways_t...g_miles_partners/airline_partners/
VS are the last airline on the page.

Aren't you the one that started this thread saying that you can earn miles on VS flights as a Skyteam cardholder?  Smile


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6707 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Thread starter):
Why isnt Virgin Atlantic an offical member of SkyTeam, when as a SkyTeam member you could get miles on all Virgin Atlantic flights?

If you're a flying blue member (AF/KL) you cannot earn miles on VS


User currently offlineLAXAgent From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6688 times:



Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 6):
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
And let us also remember that Continental would NEVER have approved Virgin's entry - remember the Virgin Nigeria and Virgin America feud? WAY too much bad blood on that one.

Not that simple... CO codeshares with VS to LHR, and this has been going on for years.

VS is seating between SkyTeam and Star Alliance, but I agreee they are simply not interested in alliances, also they are not exactly a mainstream carrier, their product is very different, with an image that emphasizes inflight massages, lounge jaccuzzi and motorbike transfers...

One thing is very likely: they won't join Oneworld, at least as long as BA is part of it!

SQ also codeshares along with CO on VS on LHR-LAX-LHR flights



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6669 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
Let us also remember that under Bermuda II, none of the SkyTeam airlines could fly to Heathrow. Only Virgin Atlantic could. Not a great way to enter a partnership...

None of the American SkyTeam airlines could fly to Heathrow... The European SkyTeam airlines (AF, KL, SU, AZ, OK) all have regular service to LHR. Of these airlines, SU, AZ and OK all don't have such an extensive American network and they could greatly benefit from VS, for example, offering PRG-LHR-SFO.

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 6):
Not that simple... CO codeshares with VS to LHR, and this has been going on for years.

The VS-CO codeshare is a very interesting exception on the Bermuda II agreement. In practically all ASA's, a codeshare flight is no different from a flight operated with a carriers' own planes. So actually, the CO codeshare on VS flights is not allowed. I have not yet found the exact ins and outs of the agreement, but it seems to be some political compromise.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ZCK/is_6_11/ai_70392899
BD has objected to this codeshare, as they are not allowed to put their code on the UA flights to LHR. NW, for example, is not allowed to put it's code on KLs AMS-LHR flight either (whereas they do put their code on all other AMS-UK flights, including AMS-LCY, as for all airports except LHR/LGW, the UK has practically an open-skies agreement).

VS in Staralliance would greatly benefit BD, as they would have a very good feed for their European network. However, they would compete with LH within the alliance.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6558 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Thread starter):
Why isnt Virgin Atlantic an offical member of SkyTeam, when as a SkyTeam member you could get miles on all Virgin Atlantic flights?

Obviously OW is out as BA is a member of that... so of ST and *A, *A is definantly the stronger suitor for VS for several reasons. 1) SQ owns half of VS currently and is blocking it from joining *A. SQ is looking at offloading this shareholding however. 2) NZ has strong links with VS albeit mostly loose ones but they complement each other well (in fact there have been several suggestions in other threads that NZ and VS might make a good match ie NZ buys out SQs stake and VS buys a stake of NZ from the NZ govt they would be good feeders to each other via HKG and PVG. NZ has licensed VS seats and they have other things in common. 3) VS or RB etc owns a good stake in DJ (Virgin Blue Australia). Australia is dominated by QF which is a big member of OW. If VS joins *A then expect DJ to also join (with encouragement from NZ who are desparate for an Australian feeder...once again brings up the opportunity for NZ to buy out Toll holdings stake in DJ). 4) BD is an interesting carrier that VS has been looking at... if VS could buy BD then they would have the domestic and European feed that they have been looking for as well as backdoor entry into *A via BD. ST just does not have much to offer VS quite frankly.. But stranger things have happened...



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