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User currently offlineASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Pretty cool! I think this will make it the longest commercial flight to operate regularly out of ASE.

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Any tech experts out there know what kind of restrictions these flights will operate under?

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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5069 times:



Quoting ASEFlyer (Thread starter):
Any tech experts out there know what kind of restrictions these flights will operate under?

Yeah, weight restrictions. They will really hurt during the summer, but not enough people fly to ASE in the summer to see any difference. Since it's a weekend only service, it's most likely an overflow for SLC.



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User currently offlineASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

I doubt it will operate in the summer. I think it is more geared to arriving European passengers in ATL, offering them a one-stop connecting opportunity. We are expecting a LOT of euro visitors this year given currency strength.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

I wonder how ski storage is on a CR7?


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User currently online747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1185 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

If I'm not mistaken, this flight will be weight-restricted due to single-engine climb out requirements. Even though the runway is 7000ft. long at a 7800ft. elevation, I don't think the CR7 will have too much of an issue with the short runway (at least not in the winter/spring/fall) due to their great takeoff performance and leading-edge slats (which the CRJ and ERJ lack). I'm curious to whether this route will operate during the summer.

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

This will also mark SkyWest's first CR7 flight at ATL.


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

I also know that the runway has to be totally free of snow in ASE for the CR7 vs the RJ85 , which was the perfect ASE plane!


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4799 times:



Quote:
Quoting United_Fan (Reply 6):
I also know that the runway has to be totally free of snow in ASE for the CR7 vs the RJ85

Incorrect. The runway can't be contaminated; the presence of snow on the runway does not constitute contamination.

[Edited 2007-11-15 08:49:47]


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

cuz it is skywest and not ASA or Comair the timings arent great, especially out of ASE. I think youd want to do a ASE turn not an ATL turn. Who wants to spend $$$$$ for an extra night in ASE only to leave at 0800 the next day.

User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 768 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4667 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 8):

Agreed. It makes no sense, by the look of the flights, the Skywest crew will probably layover in Aspen, which can't be cheap. It would make alot more sense for the times to be reversed, leaving ATL at 8am and leaving ASE at 1:55p.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4663 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 6):
I also know that the runway has to be totally free of snow in ASE for the CR7 vs the RJ85 , which was the perfect ASE plane!

The 146 was also the perfect plane for ASE.

I still think the CR7 in ASE is an accident waiting to happen. The restrictions on the CR7 are so much more than the 146, plus SkyWest has taken a beating in the local Aspen Media about their reliability. The big thing I worry about is if a CR7 landing on 15 has to go missed, and then loses an engine on the missed. I have heard that their 10-7 page says that terrain clearance is not guaranteed on a single engine balked landing. And ASE-ATL will be severely weight restricted, even in the winter time. You think SkyWest has problems getting bags just to DEN (ASE-DEN tends to have a lot of lost bags, and SkyWest is the handling agent in both cities), ATL will be ten times worse, because you have to pull bags to get people on.

Truth be told, with the RJ85 and 146's gone, the perfect plane for ASE right now is the Q400. Thats what should be doing all the ASE flying. However, the "beautiful people" in ASE want their jets, and they pay big bucks to fly on Jets. If only they knew what most of us insiders know about the difficulties of operating into ASE. I know I would never put my family on a CR7 into ASE. If I had to fly, I would actually take Mesa with the Dash 8's. I think thats safer.


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4655 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 3):
I wonder how ski storage is on a CR7?

There's plently of room in the bin, and it's long enough both width way and length way, and even height too in some places.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4621 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 10):
I still think the CR7 in ASE is an accident waiting to happen. The restrictions on the CR7 are so much more than the 146, plus SkyWest has taken a beating in the local Aspen Media about their reliability. . . . However, the "beautiful people" in ASE want their jets, and they pay big bucks to fly on Jets. If only they knew what most of us insiders know about the difficulties of operating into ASE.

There's a win/lose to everything. You want jets, great. We'll give them to you, but you must be willing to sacrifice 100% guaranteed availability. We don't control the weather, there's nothing we can do about it. The airlines don't control nasty gusty winds, heavy snow, the national weather service, or Jack Frost, and the feds and self-conservation take precedence over your arrival.

Quote:
I know I would never put my family on a CR7 into ASE. If I had to fly, I would actually take Mesa with the Dash 8's. I think thats safer.

I don't think I'll ever set foot on a DC-10; They always blow their cargo doors. The 737 has a long history of rudder problems; I refuse to fly on them. The engine on the CRJ-200 can jam up in-flight; They are unsafe to fly on.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4548 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12):
There's a win/lose to everything. You want jets, great. We'll give them to you, but you must be willing to sacrifice 100% guaranteed availability. We don't control the weather, there's nothing we can do about it. The airlines don't control nasty gusty winds, heavy snow, the national weather service, or Jack Frost, and the feds and self-conservation take precedence over your arrival.

Yes,well,we all know that the 'beautiful people' of ASE (or anywhere else) totally understand this  Smile . Too bad the RJ85/146 wasn't kept around for this duty.



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User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4548 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 8):
cuz it is skywest and not ASA or Comair the timings arent great, especially out of ASE. I think youd want to do a ASE turn not an ATL turn. Who wants to spend $$$$$ for an extra night in ASE only to leave at 0800 the next day.

People who want to spend their last full day in Aspen on the slopes.....?

I've gone to DEN or EGE at least once a year for the last 20 years and always have flown out the following day/morning. Especially from EGE when you can get out first thing, I welcome it.

ORD2PHL


User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4508 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 8):
cuz it is skywest and not ASA or Comair the timings arent great, especially out of ASE. I think youd want to do a ASE turn not an ATL turn. Who wants to spend $$$$$ for an extra night in ASE only to leave at 0800 the next day.

This flight is much better for european connections. Otherwise, people on the way from europe would have to spend the night in ATL if the flight left ATL in the morning... Whether you leave ASE at 8:00 AM or 3PM, you're not going to be skiing that day, so might as well leave at 8AM and then connect to the rest of the world through ATL. This flight will probably do really well at these times.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4359 times:



Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 9):

Agreed. It makes no sense, by the look of the flights, the Skywest crew will probably layover in Aspen, which can't be cheap. It would make alot more sense for the times to be reversed, leaving ATL at 8am and leaving ASE at 1:55p.

Can't they just hit one of the other flights out of ASE on Skywest... considering Skywest as a whole will probably be up to a dozen a day or so in the peak season.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12):

There's a win/lose to everything. You want jets, great. We'll give them to you, but you must be willing to sacrifice 100% guaranteed availability.

...nothing has great availability at ASE because of the high mins. That's nowhere near a standard 200-1/2 ILS.


User currently offlineASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4276 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12):
I don't think I'll ever set foot on a DC-10; They always blow their cargo doors. The 737 has a long history of rudder problems; I refuse to fly on them. The engine on the CRJ-200 can jam up in-flight; They are unsafe to fly on.

Hysterical  Smile

CR7 is a rocketship.

I really don't think it is fair to say we aspenites ALL require jet service...air travelers in general all fall into this category. The "beautiful people," as you all have come to call them, fly G4s and Falcons etc when they want jet service...not DL or even United first class. Have you seen this place on a long weekend?

I really think this flight is timed for European arrivals. MOST major cities have a direct SLC connection and SLC is quite a pleasant place to connect. I think this flight is to compete with the UA ORD - ASE flight and their international connection opportunities, not to get someone from Chattanooga to ASE on a 2 leg flight.


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4230 times:



Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 17):
The "beautiful people," as you all have come to call them, fly G4s and Falcons etc when they want jet service...not DL or even United first class. Have you seen this place on a long weekend?

There are always the wanna-bee's  Smile Same way in LAS. The real money comes in on their own metal.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4037 times:



Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 15):
This flight is much better for european connections

you think there are that many Europeans going to ASE to justify a flight that is timed poorly for the local and US market?

It wouldnt seem like it. It isnt like LH and BA dont fly to DEN. And Germans and Brtis are the ones who would ski in ASE, not Spaniards or Belgians.


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Most european flight arrive in from europe between 1:30pm and 3:00pm, so even a 1:55pm departure from ATL is not very good timing!!!!!


Ok, I used to work for Skywest and have nothing against them...but come on...a CR7 from ATL to ASE???? What are they planning to carry....30 people???


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3868 times:



Quoting OOer (Reply 20):

Ok, I used to work for Skywest and have nothing against them...but come on...a CR7 from ATL to ASE???? What are they planning to carry....30 people???

It's better than nothing, and since the next closest DL hub is LAX, they can't go there because of exclusivity. CVG is a lost cause, so that leaves ATL and JFK, and I sure as hell don't want to deal with JFK.



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User currently offlineSpencerii From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3846 times:



Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
Ok, I used to work for Skywest and have nothing against them...but come on...a CR7 from ATL to ASE???? What are they planning to carry....30 people???

thats kind of like OO at SUN. They have a huge "bumped bag" problem there. When getting passengers out of SUN, if it wasn't for QX and their Q-400's , & the EXPEDITE bag tag, OO would have a never ending sea of bumped bags on a continual basis. But then on the delivery charges both INbound & OUtbound to deliver the bumped bags, OO just charges it to DL, and DL is never the wiser...that always baffles me.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3835 times:



Quoting Spencerii (Reply 22):
They have a huge "bumped bag" problem there.

That's a weight problem there due to the higher passenger weights (and apparently, SUN not wanting to delay PAX.)



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User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

So, I wonder how many fuel stops they'll make in DEN to accommodate the load...

With the ASE CRJ7 climb limits, I can see them only being able to carry like 10 pax on a ASEATL nonstop in an RJ...



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25 IADLHR : What is a single engine climb out? I hope it isnt what I think it is.
26 Goldenshield : In the summer, I'd be inclined to agree with you; I haven't checked those numbers, though. However, assuming no alternate and 0 C, it'll be closer to
27 Dispatchguy : Here are some numbers I ran a few years back when I was at a CRJ7 operator. These are not from AeroData, so they may be a bit overconservative: Temp-C
28 Goldenshield : Those are about right for bleeds open. The ultimate limitation is the field length there. Obstacle limitations does play a part, but it's not as limi
29 Dispatchguy : Yeah, I just ran a test, and came up with a nonstop payload of about 10800 lbs. To be honest, I am a bit surprised, I wouldve figured the max payload
30 Goldenshield : And I'm sure that was with a pretty sizeable hit, too. Of course, it's all about the Benjamins in this industry.
31 Dispatchguy : Truer words never spoken
32 Fanoftristars : Yes. Have you ever done the drive from DEN to Aspen? That can be one awful drive, especially if it's snowing in the rockies. I'd much rather fly in,
33 EXAAUADL : Untied flies from DEN to ASE you know. Sorry I am skeptical that the timings for this flight are better than a 0800 timing especially when you add in
34 EXAAUADL : I would say the real reason this is being flown with the published schedule is that there was no fee Comair or ASA CR7 free time only Skywest.
35 727forever : Do you fly often? Don't think you have to worry too much about the DC-10 though you may find it interesting that the highest time airplane ever is a
36 Tornado82 : IIRC, only Skywest has been qualified to run the CR7 into ASE. This is due to "creating" some Skywest-specific approach procedures and op specs. Does
37 Goldenshield : Ever heard of sarcasm? Read the quote in the post, and then read the post again.
38 Ah414211 : It is actually Delta that chose to operate this flight--they do all of the planning and scheduling for the SkyWest CRJ/CR7/CR9 routes.....and they ha
39 Post contains images Apodino : Its no different than USAirways running ZW CRJ-200's in and out of Key West even though the flights have to be severly weight restricted and min fuel
40 Goldenshield : That was the whole point of the proving runs: to push the limits of aircraft performance and establish limitations. Exclusivity only plays for having
41 747fan : Wow; due to this, I'm guessing this will be just a seasonal flight like many of the others from ASE and EGE, including DL's own ATL-EGE. If this flig
42 727forever : Reread, still wasn't feeling the full extent of your sarcasm. Point taken though.
43 SHUPirate1 : If I'm not mistaken, it's part of SkyWest's contract with United that they are only allowed to fly out of LAX for United, and not for anybody else...
44 Goldenshield : Only for hub operations; otherwise, SkyWest would not being LAX-SLC for both UAX and DLC. Same for SFO-SLC, DEN-SLC, and ORD-CVG for now.
45 DocLightning : If I lived in Europe and felt like I should use DL to get to Aspen, I'd probably fly into SLC and then hop to ASE. I remember the old Aspen Airways C
46 SHUPirate1 : I stand corrected, as usual!
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