Eha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 86339 times:
5 injured reported, the A340-600 for Etihad, hit a concrete wall, the A/C is now with nose up against the wall (10m high), could be heavily damaged...Hope people (9 people on-board) are not seriously injured...saw the A/C when leaving for home...Really weird...
Airlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 37 Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 86255 times:
Any pics of the 346 nose upagainst the wall?
Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5810 posts, RR: 69 Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 86124 times:
Ground test engine run-ups - she must have jumped the chocks. I recall TG having this happen to a nearly new MD11 in BKK and writing off the A300B4 it hit.
Hope she is not too badly damaged. Would be so sad to have two A346 writeoffs in one week!
Also I'm booked to fly two legs on an EY A346 in December and January, and its probably safe to say she'll be delayed - hope to God I dont get a crappy wet-leased Iberworld A330 or something....
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
Eha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 85971 times:
saw it around 5.45pm local time....it was dark...but could see it was Etihad one. can't say if this major incident can be repaired...one Air France shuttle take-off delayed (although it happened on Airbus site, on the opposite of the airport runways.). I am sure we will know more tomorrow via Airbus communication staff...will be interested to know if the A/C will be put back on ground shortly...does not look too good this way right now....
Eha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 85889 times:
a few more info available (in french) on ladepeche.fr, local newspaper....confirm the A/C seems heavily damaged. 1 guy on ground 9 people on-board involved, including 9 from Etihad airways. A/C (MSN856) was meant to be delivered within 8 days. Happened after 5pm. 80 firefighters on site shortly after, no explosion, no fire...
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10567 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 85456 times:
BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 336 posts, RR: 60 Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 85406 times:
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3): Would be so sad to have two A346 writeoffs in one week!
Second one they wrote off this week... I assume you are reffering to the IB accident?
Quoting Eha (Reply 5): Would be so sad to have two A346 writeoffs in one week!
So being that... Is it still in Airbus's or EY hands as far as insurance and who is getting the bill for the damages.
Cubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 300 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 85194 times:
Sebring's post (no 6) said 3 of the 9 injuries were serious but not life threatening.
QatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1465 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 84717 times:
Im glad that the injuries are not serious... Its sad to see such a beauty in a ground accident. I am sure some people are going to get into major trouble because of this. Will Airbus compensate Etihad for the delay in delievery because of the collision?
Flying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2284 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 83795 times:
Two A346 written-off in one week...
It sucks for the A340 dept @ Airbus...
FB.
Life is great at 41.000 feet...
25 CHRISBA777ER: Pardon my obviously uninformed speculation - I'd say thats a write off - cockpit gone and huge inertia forces on the front frames before the wing wher
26 KL808: Are we 100% sure that both are written off? I dont think the IB one is considered w/o yet. Drew
27 Express1: Im sure that Airbus can find a replacement for Etihad sometime soon dave
28 Moo: By the look of it both the left engines would have impacted the wall or floor, and the outer right engine possibly also, plus damage to the tail and
29 Iwok: Yikes After reading the press announcement from Airbus, it seems that everyone survived: thank God. This could have been pretty bad. Lets hope for a
30 CHRISBA777ER: This leaves EY short in the rosters until they can find a replacement - no spare A346s floating round so may have to be a wet-lease. I'm going to be s
31 Moo: Why a wet lease - this would have no impact on crew so they could dry lease something they already have in their fleet.
32 CHRISBA777ER: Just read you post and realised - there would have been engineers in the cockpit when she jumped the chocks.... F*cking hell.... How scary is that? I
33 AirTranTUS: I read nose up against wall, but didn't expect to see nose through wall! What a mess.
34 Thorben: Anyway, the plane may be written off, but the people seem to be able to recover. I read the injuries were not life-threatening, I just hope nobody wil
35 CHRISBA777ER: I'm assuming they wouldnt be able to find a spare 77W, A340 or A332 on short notice like this so would have to go for a 747, which they dont have typ
36 CHRISBA777ER: Another pic here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=300539 Look at the top and see where the Arabic writing is and then see where the fuse
37 Yellowtail: Quoting Moo (Reply 23): Ouch, that looks *bad*. Its amazing the power in the engines on that large bird; once spooled up and the plane broke free, the
38 AirTranTUS: I was wondering the same thing. How close is the building to the plane? Is the forward section inside the buidling, or gone altogether?
39 CHRISBA777ER: Its in A340 Heaven now, by the look of it
40 Thorben: The front is surely missing. Not really useful to debate whether it is 5 or 8 or 10 meters - it is just gone!
41 AR385: Not yet... Correct, IB, insurance people are still deciding at UIO today. The Etihad plane seems pretty much a goner though.
42 Panaman: ohhhhhhhhhhhh that plane is FUC*ED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn thats going to be expensive to fix
43 CHRISBA777ER: Yeah, like US$210m for a new one. Still, at least nobody died, although looking at the pics you'd have to say that was a minor miracle. Can you imagi
44 ViasaMSY: Is this the 346 in Picture 1292105? It was one of the top pictures yesterday. Sad news.
45 BlueShamu330s: Ok, a question..... Why was a full power run being done facing a blast wall? Logic dictates the blast wall is to the rear and to the front there is cl
46 Legoguy: Yikes! I am amazed that the pilots and engineers survived this. It looks like you can see the tip of the nose protuding from inside the fuselage in on
47 Andrej: Well at least the engines worked.... It is sad to yet another A340 accident. I hope that all the injured will recover ASAP. If this is w/o is Airbus i
48 Gusber380: Hi, In this pic you can see the Etihad A340-600 one month ago: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1292105/L/ The aircraft was ready to delivery Gustav
49 CHRISBA777ER: Holy God.... Check out the pic below![Edited 2007-11-15 13:44:12]
50 Thorben: List price, yes. But the true production costs are a lot lower than that. Anyway, that is what the insurance is for. Edit: Here is the front section:
51 Moo: " target=_blank>http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/11/30/8...0.jpg Christ! They were *lucky*!
52 BOACVC10: I'm stunned and sad. That aircraft wanted to do what it was designed to do, and fly! (The colour scheme of EY and the graceful raked wing tips, helpe
53 CHRISBA777ER: Isnt it amazing that this would probably be write off number #9 for the A330/340 programme - (one A340 scrapped, one A340 blown up, one A340 destroyed
54 S.p.a.s.: Holy crap... [I deleted the image, was posted before] But, holy crap indeed... Cheers RS[Edited 2007-11-15 13:40:12]
55 Iflyac: The image of that poor A346 is enough to make a grown man cry. Hard to believe that nobody died, but I am happy to hear everyone will be okay.
56 MD80Nut: Thank God no fatalities, it could have been worst from the look of it. To paraphrase Monty Python's Flying Circus, "This is an Ex-A340-600!" Cheers, R
57 CHRISBA777ER: Anyone know if this is the third or fourth EY A346? Also do they still have their lone A343?
58 Scouseflyer: The Varig one was scrapped but iI guess we're not counting that as a hull loss?
59 Platinumfoota: Hope everything turns out well for the employees involve and their families. Im just wondering, how much distance did the aircraft travel after it jum
61 474218: How about throttling back, cutting off the fuel, using the reversers or even putting on the brakes? There is a lot more to this accident than we know
62 CHRISBA777ER: Was it? I didnt know she'd been parted out already. In that case we shouldnt count the ex-BWIA A343 that got bent slightly whilst with VS but soldier
63 KL808: What do you think the braking distance of such a plane would have? I think no matter what they did, the wall was inevitable. Drew
64 CHRISBA777ER: Would an Engineer team even know how to do that? I would think as soon as the plane leaps over the chocks and barrels towards the (very, very high) c
65 Aither: Aparently one engine was still running tonight, they have difficulties to turn it off. 3 persons seem to suffer heavy injuries [Edited 2007-11-15 14:0
66 CHRISBA777ER: I imagine the controls would be a little hard to find. Probably a case of turning off the fuel pumps and letting it flame out? All that foam around -
67 Philzh: Yep. Having drunk two glasses of red does not help. It's just really sad to see such a beauty go so senselessly. As a complete ignoramus, I really wo
68 Jawake: Wow, thanks IAD787 for the info. Hope everyone is ok. Any idea what the price is on this A340-600? Just a guess. How much of a loss are we talking he
69 BlueSkys: How do you wheel brake an a340, do they have toe brakes on the rudder pedals?
70 Rampkontroler: It hasn't flown yet, but it's getting close: http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-5772 I haven't actually seen it for a month or so,
71 NZ107: At first thought of hitting a concrete wall, it sounded like a vertical wall and the nose was only crumpled. It nearly went over the top of it.. Far
72 Ikramerica: Looking at the pics, it seems the plane ran up the concrete ramp then smashed through a wood/metal sound wall on top. It's hard to tell, but most of t
73 TepidHalibut: Possibly not as easy as you make out. The fuel pumps on the engine are driven mechanically, and can usually cope with the aircraft pumps being u/s (s
74 BritPilot777: Blimey that picture of the nose section hanging off the wall sends a shiver down my spine! Very scary indeed and after seeing that picture I think it'
75 CHRISBA777ER: Thing is, would EY accept a cut n' shut plane?
76 CHRISBA777ER: Hmmmm. So what, do they just let it run until it flames out?
77 Moo: The problem is, where and when would Airbus do it? They would have to: 1. Get the aircraft into a bay 2. Strip the airframe of any volatiles 3. Strip
78 NZ107: I wonder if they could flood the engine with foam.. Guess they wouldn't want to try that in case they got sucked in.. Man alive that would be a long
79 BlueShamu330s: Although novel, I think the suggestion is that once established there is no fire risk, is it better and more economical to let the donkey run until t
80 Moo: He seems to be talking about the IB aircraft when he says that, not this Etihad one.
81 Aither: An Airbus spokeperson said tonight the Aircraft is not repairable. Maybe the cabin could be used for training. It was reported on the news that out of
82 Ikramerica: If the entire front section is replaced with new, as is the entire left wing, and 3 of the engines, I don't see why not. Every plane is theoretically
83 Litz: Y'all remember the World DC-10 overrun? Same thing happened ... cockpit sheared off and the tail engine continued to run (the wing engines snuffed out
84 Zeke: I think this frame will be written off, but it will not be a hull loss accident, as it did not occur in connection with a flight. The Iberia aircraft
85 CHRISBA777ER: Respectfully i think thats a wildly optimistic assessment. I'm off to bed. Night all.
86 BritPilot777: Does anyone know if any part of the A346 fuselage is made from from composites? BritPilot777
87 Viscount724: I keep hearing reports about this ex-RG 777 being parted out but have never seen any photos. This seems strange since it would be hard to do a job li
88 Aither: Most of the parts are composites... you have to be more specific.
89 MadameConcorde: This is terribly sad... Does anybody know the names of the test pilots/cockpit crew members? Was there anybody else on board besides the cockpit crew?
90 Ikramerica: I respect your opinion. It's too soon to tell. But from other pictures of accidents I've seen, compared to this one, I just don't see the buckling in
91 NA: This one won´t fly. At least not in one piece. I would expect that things like the tailfin and horizontal stabilisers will most likely be used on a
92 Concentriq: Searched this forum... I guess I somehow missed IB incident discussion. Could anyone point? -------------------------------- Never mind.... IB A340-60
93 Ikramerica: Yep. Let's not even think about it. Statistically, it's due for something bad to happen. But luckily, statistics don't care about "due" or the past,
94 JRadier: I wouldn't say that. If the wing section is still good and you 'only' have to replace the front sections and some damage aft this bird might fly agai
95 Speedbird2263: Thats what i thought too Gave me the creeps actually. Prayers go out for all those that were injured. I can imagine in my minds eye how that could po
96 JetJeanes: That think is a complete write off. Its snapped way behind the cockpit... Im sure they can use some for spares
97 Kaitak: I didn't think it had to be an accident, but it's still a hull loss; I mean, that's it, curtains as far as this aircraft is concerned, regardless of
98 A5XX: I guess Etihad won't be taking this A340-600... after all.. Â Â Agreed. Â Â This A340 will likely become the first Frankenstein A340-600, with a zip
99 474218: The braking distance is really not a factor. When the aircraft jumped the chocks, the crew performing the engine run should have made every effort to
100 Zeke: As far as the stats go, unless it is connected with a flight it does not count, it is not a hull loss accident. I think the aircraft will be parted o
101 Stylo777: maybe a very silly question, but can't they take another 346 in line and reassign it to EY? for sure they would bump another customer, but....?!?!
102 CHRISBA777ER: I couldnt sleep lol Not a silly question at all mate - its just that EY have one still to come, I think there are five for IT, and some top-ups for L
103 JetMech: The A346 fuselage itself is made from aluminium alloy. Regards, JetMech
104 JRadier: where did you get that information, or is it a thought?
105 A5XX: You may be right. But I think either of these two A340, could be a organ donor to save the other one. Time will tell. The bean counters are working o
107 NwAflyer07: Geez, that sucks. I wonder what Airbus is gonna do with that one. Looks like a write off to me, however they could rebuilt it and use it for further t
108 CHRISBA777ER: Alas it is the forward fuselage of both that is the problem. Pity. If the insurance is anything like with Ships (my area of expertise before I got th
109 Curticool: I am sure Etihad is not happy about there logo on the fuselage LOL -Curticool
110 Sphealey: > The owners are then fully subrogated of their loss by payout of the insured > sum for total loss and then wreck and everything in it becomes the pro
111 CHRISBA777ER: I would think they would have to had third party insurance cover once they started flying it - I cant imagine a plane maker would be allowed to cover
112 SCUMBAG: Anyone who has seen the photos of BOTH 340's that were wrecked within the last few days, and still has doubts about the possibility of these frames EV
113 Viscount724: That reminds me of the following NW DC-9-31 that was rebuilt from two wrecks. It started life with Northeast in 1967 and went to DL when they bought
114 BAalltheway: I can't imagine Eithiad's insurance taking over until the ferry flight. Even if their insurer was on risk for the hull - Airbus' liability policy wou
115 SQ452: CNN.com has video of this, but its post accident (no, not caught on tape). At first glance I was going to say that that was an A340-500, but I did not
116 Tdscanuck: Where is the fuselage splice on an A340? If it's behind where the fuselage broke, it actually shouldn't be that difficult to splice on an all-new fro
117 Scalebuilder: I believe you're right on this one. Should Airbus be self-insured in this particular case, the liability that they would have to carry on their books
118 TruemanQLD: S***!!! That is scary! Probably the worst week for the A340 in its entire history! Also will probably be an absolute headache for the other A/C needin
119 Viscount724: Assuming the IB aircraft at UIO is also a writeoff, and assuming all those injuired in the Etihad accident survive, I think the A340 will also hold t
120 SOBHI51: Not yet,in a matter of fact it is starting now.EY will not find a big plane anywhere till at least mid Jan 09. I wish all the injured persons a quick
121 Spacepope: Actually, assuming that, it should be 6 hull losses. AF lost 2, Sri Lankan another 2, then this week...
122 474218: Then how would you ever stop after landing?
123 Ilikeflight: Would this be the first aircraft to be written off before even entering service?????
124 BAalltheway: Does your 2nd statement not contradict your first??? Perhaps I am misinterpreting your statements. This is technically inventory in my mind. Regardle
125 Viscount724: Sri Lankan only lost one A340-300 in the terrorist incident at CMB (plus 2 A330-200ss and 1 A320). A second A340 and a second A320 were damaged but w
126 Cloudyapple: And of course our engine run patch has aircraft tail in and no concrete walls near by! (where else in hk?)
127 Sh0rtybr0wn: I would have stayed put, try to be a hero, go down with their ship, as it were. At least they were strapped in. Leaving the cockpit is like jumping i
128 A5XX: I don't know. I've heard that a recent B747F, experienced a latch failure, while doing pressure testing of the fuselage, prior to delivery to the air
129 Brenintw: I believe that aircraft is now flying for CI, it's original customer. AFAIK, it's flying unmarked -- largely as a lease to other airlines.
130 QF772: In my opinion IF they self insure it would be a through a captive. IF its through a captive it would be well re insured, the question would be what A
131 GBan: ... and I doubt the outcome would have been any better with clear space in front; if the aircraft was out of control it would have hit some obstacle
132 WingedMigrator: Yup. Here's an aerial picture of where it happened. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=4...pn=0.006229,0.008057&t=k&z=17&om=1
133 BAalltheway: Ah, the old co-insurance clause...love you brought that up...good to see another insurance/aviation nerd combo on here...adding you to my respected l
134 Ceph: You don't land on full thrust. Engines are idle at touch down.
135 Ikramerica: Absolutely. But I guess at somepoint, as you keep replacing more and more parts, you wonder are you really repairing the current frame, or scrapping
136 ADent: Interesting - I wonder if the EY pilots were doing the run up as part of delivery inspection? I guess it all comes down to insurance, but if Airbus is
137 Nuori5084: That's one expensive "take off" to nowhere. Someone's getting a brand, brand new plane now. I wounder what compensation the airline will get now? At l
138 Brenintw: According to PPRUNE, and an earlier post here, Airbus has confirmed W/O. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=300539&page=2
139 Siren: No. Canadian Pacific lost a Comet 1 on a delivery flight in 1952(?)...
140 Kaitak: Has been mentioned on the IB346/UIO thread. And then there was that Braniff 707 that crashed on a dry river bed.
141 Tugger: I have been wondering of the action the plane took to get to where it was. Could it have run over the chocks on just one side and begun to spin aroun
142 Vfw614: Looking at the pictures, I am wondering why exactly the front section has come off. I mean, the beast hit the wall (which, as a sort of blast fence, c
143 Brenintw: My thoughts are that something probably transpired to lift the cockpit etc sufficiently high that it cleared the wall, but then came slamming down on
144 Fwa2500: wow....this is really a terrible thing to happen to such a new aircraft....but as stated, machines can be replaced, lived cannot... VERY lucky that ev
145 Toulouse: Nothing in a building. While I admit I don't understand much about flight testing, this particular place for engine testing, nicknamed the "bikini" h
146 A390: First daylight photo ! http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ps-chocks-hits-wall-5-injured.html
147 Ikramerica: This was interesting from the French Speaking Airbus Spokesman paraphrased on pprune (see link above)... "Need to do this in a walled box (instead as
148 Alessandro: Siren, what happened to the Embraer who hit the B737NG over Brazil, is it in service?
149 Ncelhr: You're indeed right. I have walked next to that wall and it is huge. It is right next to the Beluga maintenance area. Check the google maps pictures.
151 Brenintw: The daylight picture makes it look like the main wheels are off the ground -- they certainly have minimum weight resting on them. That means that the
152 Vfw614: Is there any information on the injuries of those in the airplane? As I would assume that all were in the cockpit or the forward section of the aircra
153 IAD787: More high res photos of the morning aftermath: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...thiad-a340600-severely-damage.html
154 XXXX10: I am beginning to believe that the A340 is blessed. On no other type has there been so many hull losses with no fatalities. Lets hope that those invol
155 OA260: Can anyone confirm anything they know about the people inside the A/C at the time?? I was told that no EY staff were on board at the time . Exactly .
156 Keesje: Looking at the picture I'm surprized how few of the 9 people on board were injured and that there were no fatalities. Luckely so.. some parts of the a
157 UK_Dispatcher: Apparantly the people on board were from ADAT (formerly GAMCO) and Airbus and there are no life-threatening injuries.
158 Viaggiare: Not to place the blame entirely on them, but Brooke and Cindy apparently went unsupervised for several minutes while they gracefully fiddled with the
159 CHRISBA777ER: I believe the jet hit the wall and was directed upwards and through the upper part of the wall - the fuselage was launched high into the air before c
160 Keesje: As you can see the lower part of the barrier is a concrete wall, unlike the upper part.. The mass / speed of the aircraft likely sqeeze the lower fus
161 Razza74: I wonder how much will be salvaged Tail, engines wings? Razza74
162 BlueShamu330s: ACCIDENT FROM: AIRBUS FLIGHT SAFETY DEPARTMENT TOULOUSE ACCIDENT INFORMATION TELEX - ACCIDENT INFORMATION AIRBUS REGRETS TO INFORM THAT AN AIRBUS A340
163 Qslinger: Just wondering...what was the plane doing pointed to the wall while engine tests anyways!!!?? I think it would be common sense to engine test the craf
164 NA: Well, with far more than 100 new orders I wouldn´t call this a sad week for Airbus, just for the A346.
165 BuyantUkhaa: !!! Well that makes it even weirder. I really would like to know what happened there....
166 PHKLM: "Always wondered what this little TO/GA button does, shall we try?"
167 BuyantUkhaa: At first I thought that too, but looking again at the picture this seems unlikely. Because you can see that where the fuselage rests on the wall, it
168 Vfw614: The question is if the aircraft indeed hit the wall at a reasonably high speed. If it was in the bay and jumping chocks, it was, I would guess, only a
169 OKPAU: I did a quick look at Google maps - it seems that the bay is in the U shape - that would explain the wall in front of the airplane ...
170 Oly720man: Bit of a gash job but this is what the overhead view could look like. Don't know where along the wall the plane hit, but it's to scale. The width of t
171 Viaggiare: The aircraft reportedly slammed nose-first into the anti-noise barrier, so common sense alone would indicate that it was at that point that the fusel
172 PlymSpotter: It doesn't look like they did - it appears from the photographs that the roof of the cockpit section has been cut open to gain access. Dan
173 Zeke: As far as I know, about half a dozen of the people on-board were from EY. Dont have a TOGA button on the FBW Airbus aircraft.
174 Ogre727: This is so politically incorrect when there are people hurt, but I couldn't help but laugh out heartedly.
175 EtihadAirways: Up to now Etihad Airways has announced three statements regarding this incident Here they are in order 1- http://www.etihadairways.com/etihada...ing/n
176 JetMech: Sh**!!! Now I know repairs can be done to fix just about any damage to an aircraft, and even something as bad as this could be fixed, but I can now s
177 OzGlobal: Uhhmm, looks like it may have occured under the supervision of an Ethiad partner from Abu Dhabi:
178 EMBQA: Not really........... I've almost seen the same thing happen. With a bigger... longer aircraft the noise of the engines is reduced in the cockpit so
179 Zeke: I was of the understanding that EY people on-board were there, maybe not direct "Etihad Airways" employees, but their contact engineers at Abu Dhabi
180 AirframeAS: Holy GUACAMOLE!!!!! WTF?! I hope those 9 folks are okay. Its sad to see an aircraft like that to never enter service regardless of who made it. Airbus
181 UTA_flyinghigh: Actually another A340 has this dubious distinction, F-GNIA (342) which went up in flames barely days after being delivered to AF and before entering
182 N14AZ: Press release of Airbus: http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...1_16_accident_airbus_facility.html
183 EMA747: Holy s**t that's something you don't see every day, thankfully. So glad everyone survived and I wish them all a speedy recovery. RIP to the A346, so s
184 NA: There are more examples. Around 1960 Boeing lost a 707-227 on a testflight shortly before it could be delivered to Braniff. Also Airbus has had such
185 OA260: They are not EY staff they are staff of another company which is not the same thing. Anyway it doesnt really matter as long as the ones injured recov
186 Midcon385: Wow, that photo blows my mind! Sad to see that happen, but hope that everyone injured recovers okay. Tim
187 Hotje: I wonder what the state of the wall is... On the other hand it's very sad to see another beauty in pain like this.
188 N14AZ: There is a discussion on the forum of www.walls.net about this ...
189 Zeke: They are there representing EY, whilst they may not be direct employees of "Etihad Airways", they are contracted to EY, and in this case as far as I
190 YULWinterSkies: Which one? Speed up the line... The A330/A340 one is going at full speed too... after seeing what just happened, maybe better to take the time necess
191 WestJetYQQ: Anyone else notice on that page that Etihad is spelt 'Etiahd' on the window bar above the page?
192 JRadier: From what I heard the wall is in critical condition after having suffered some blunt force trauma (CSI is bliss ). However, most of it is in good sha
193 YHMYYZspotter: THANK GOD all is WELL with that wall!! hehe I love it... On a more serious note WOW crazy! Glad those involved are fairly OK!
194 RFields5421: I understand the desire to make sure things like this never happen again - but as long as you are testing engines and controls - some day something i
196 Cmoltay: " target=_blank>http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html Yes, they're the same...
197 RFields5421: Re WriteOff / Repairable Is the aircraft repairable? Certainly from a technical standpoint Is the aircraft a write-off? That is a financial determinat
198 BIZCHASER: Actually F-GNIA was delivered to AF 13/05/1993 and was w/o 20/01/1994 so hardly think it was written off before it went into service !
199 RFields5421: From some of the other posts - I assume noise is a major issue. you can't put the sound cancelling structure / material around the end of a runway. T
200 Ikramerica: I assume you are right, but I still wonder why at this main facility there isn't such a test area, where there is the blast wall and then a 1/2 mile
201 TristarSteve: The one thing that worries me is that there were 9 people on board. I used to run big fan engines every day. We tried to keep it very proffessional. W
202 Workhorse: AFAIK, current A346 backlog is the following: 7 for LH 6 for EY (this one was going to be one of them) 5 for IT 3 for IB 1 for TG 1 for a private cus
203 OA260: I could be there representing EY doesnt mean Im a EY staff member. EY have said it was not any of their staff and that is a clear end to any confusio
204 Teneriffe77: I'm surprised no one has mentioned the BBC story whose picture seems to show more of the front-end damage than the others I've seen. http://news.bbc.c
205 Zeke: I clarified what I said in reply 180, to your "Etihad Airways staff" comment in reply 176. I dont know the intricate employment relationship of all p
206 Tdscanuck: As long as it's the same data plate it's officially the same aircraft. There are JT8D's running around where the data plate is the only original thin
207 Nwarooster: According to ATDB.org the order by Ethad for this particular aircraft is cancelled. The aircraft was still carrying a French registration. Therefore,
208 Pygmalion: There are strict ground test limits in the maintenance manuals. Some thing is very wrong about all this. On the high power engine runs that I have bee
209 Viaggiare: Perhaps moving the brake test up before the engine run-up test on their checklists would be a good idea.
210 Cricket: What happened to the plane is really sad, but thankfully no-one is injured! This must be the worst incident at TLS for Airbus!
211 StuckInCA: Unless I read incorrectly... I hate to burst your bubble, but there are serious injuries.
212 Boeing4ever: Not quite, unfortunately. There was an A330 crash sometime back that claimed 7 lives IIRC. But thankfully noone was killed in this incident. What hap
213 OzGlobal: No, that was an A320 and was at an airshow in Mulhouse, not an Airbus site, not Toulouse.
214 Boeing4ever: Nope. Check here: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19940630-0 To date it remains the worst incident at an Airbus site. B4e-Forever N
215 JetMech: Me thinks those pesky coneheads ought to be banned from the flightdeck all together ! Regards, JetMech
216 SOBHI51: Not according both press releases from Airbus and Etihad.Both agreed that the plane was scheduled to be delivered in few days. The aircraft, with tai
217 Viaggiare: No doubt, especially when each of its four engines is capable of delivering 56,000 pounds of thrust! The Associated Press had initially reported ten
221 OA260: I wonder what , impact this will have on EY's schedules if any. Where was this A/C due to be deployed on??
222 EMBQA: Correct... it had almost 2500TT hours.... Actually it was coming out of an A-Check when the event happened.
223 N14AZ: Any news from TLS? 1.) Did they start to remove it from the wall and 2.) will they remove the Etihad titles? We need someone like "Airportmanager" in
224 Sh0rtybr0wn: What does "cancelled the order" mean ? Does that mean they arent going to buy this A346, and / or any more A346, or does it mean Airbus will make them
225 MIAMIx707: Hope those guys are ok.because notice how the cockpit is crushed from underneath. Did they get them out by ripping that hole on top of the flight deck
226 UK_Dispatcher: I have heard that EY will not remove titles in any emergency / accident situation. quite a good stance I think, as it often impacts negatively on an
227 Dougloid: I think you're absolutely correct about that. It remains to be seen just exactly what happened and that might require examination of the FDR to see w
228 EMBQA: Would you buy a brand new totaled out car from a dealer...?
229 R2rho: This is a very sensitive issue internally. Airbus employees know just as much about the incident as the average a.netter. I don't know who the person
230 Tdscanuck: AOG repair work generates tremendous revenue. If somebody is paying to repair (either IB or the insurance company) you can bet Airbus will be there t
231 Trex8: there was that 744F which blew open its nose cargo door during pressurization tests , the damage wasn't anywhere as bad as this plane but that got de
232 Boeing4ever: Any updates as to what is happening with the wreck? Have they started removing it or is the investigation still ongoing with the wreck in place? B4e-F
233 Flying Belgian: Well I can tell you many crews who were in TLS at that time took pictures from the other side of the field. A good friend of mine had a better photo
234 R2rho: No need to tell me that, totally agree. Of course anyone can take photos from the other side of the field if they want to. But on friday, I heard tha
235 Lumberton: Everybody does it, I guess. . . . Seattle PI: Boeing Bosses Spy On Workers (by National757 Nov 16 2007 in Civil Aviation)#menu26
236 Moo: Legally they may have to in order not to prejudice any independent investigation into the accident - information coming from an Airbus labelled sourc
237 HAWK21M: How long before the Investigation report gets completed by the Regulatory Authorities. regds MEL
238 GrahamHill: According to a local newspaper, the investigation around the plane is still going on, so the wreck will not be removed until it's finished. As for th
240 Toulouse: Great post. TLS isn't that busy, but does handly some 6 million pax per year and is currently being expanded. I suppose the problem here is that Airb
241 Knoxibus: As R2rho already mentionned, the average Airbus employee does not know much more than the guys here. However, I am on the other part of Airbus (Centra
242 Zeke: I had suspected that it happened during a turn, to me it explains some of the momentum the aircraft had.
243 A342: It has been written off: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...0-was-exiting-engine-test-pen.html Confirmed by the article.
244 Aviopic: Received some photo's from a contact in France, don't know whether they have been published already. If you don't have a strong tummy you better skip
245 GrahamHill: Thanks for the pics, they are impressive!
246 R2rho: You beat me to it. I got these photos this morning but forgot them on my other computer. I was amazed that they escaped from that with only injuries,
247 Swissy: First thank you all for posting these unbelievable pictures ............... I am speech lees, thank goodness everyone got away alive. Cheers,
248 Boeing4ever: Wow! Glad everyone survived. Aside from the forehead and the windscreens, the cockpit is completely destroyed. It looks like the cabin floor fell out
249 JetMech: They have got to be some of the most awesomely disturbing pictures I have ever seen of an aircraft. They are right up there with the pictures of the
250 Cruiser: It doesn't surprise me look at the most recent pics: Engines #1 & 2 certainly took a bad hit (see the scrape marks up the cement), the left wing look
251 BOACVC10: Were the throttle controls disconnected, or unresponsive to let the aircraft run away in this manner? What could cause the aircraft to continue to ac
252 Brenintw: I believe it would either be called a "chainsaw" or "jaws of life." Eitherway, that cockpit was almost certainly cut open to extract the occupants --
253 Knoxibus: For your information, Airbus should issue revision 2 of the original AIT with additional information today. DFDR and CVR data have been analysed yeste
254 BuyantUkhaa: Most likely yes, given that the BEA has started an investigation.
255 Moo: Surely the aircraft systems will be parted out, cabin interior sold off for spares to Etihad, and the engines sent back to RR? I can't believe *nothi
256 Knoxibus: I talked to one of the guy called on the investigation this morning, and he confirmed that due to the unknow forces that were applied to the whole ai
257 Airfoilsguy: It is highly unlikely that nothing will be salvaged.
258 Moo: Well thats for a parts specialist to decide, isn't it? I would hardly think an investigator would have the time or knowledge to pick through every sy
259 QatarA340: WIth over 260 replies so far, do you thinkt the BLACK BOX would be benifitial in this case, at least so we can hear what were the last words before th
260 Wolflair: From my previous time at the Red Cross (doing urban rescue as well and using the "Jaws of life")... Before you even start cutting, you must ensure th
261 474218: The seats, IFE and the engines are Etihad property as they are purchased separately by the airline and only installed by Airbus.
262 Boeing4ever: It looks like there were no seats or IFE installed yet. Wherever that stuff was sitting, waiting for installation, it'll probably go on another A346
263 Vega9000: The airplane was due to be delivered "in a few days". So most likely all was installed. Or do manufacturers wait until the very last minute to instal
264 Tdscanuck: No evidence of that that I'm aware of. It wouldn't be necessary for this type of accident to happen, although it's possible. There is no guarantee th
265 Wirelock: have done a few deliveries in TLS and engine runs in this bay, this is really scary. Always, the airbus ground test engineer is in charge. any pilots
266 Wirelock: only problem is the vast majority of the aircraft system computers would be stored in the fwd fuselage. they are now all destroyed.
267 Zeke: Accidents, serious incidents, and incidents only occur with the "operation of an aircraft", which basically means in the process of going, or attempt
268 WingedMigrator: There's no evidence from the photos. They show the cargo floor busted open, not the cabin floor. This is a really odd accident. At least it didn't ta
269 BOACVC10: Aviation Safety Net link I just noticed they have an AP (Associated Press) video of the night of the incident with unedited footage of the post-incid
270 WingedMigrator: The front section is not visible in the video, so I'm not sure how you got to that conclusion.
271 BOACVC10: Quite possibly I was mistaken, upon looking at it again, I am not sure that the edge at which the front section sheared off is as straight as I thoug
272 Boeing4ever: I dunno, from my eyes, it looks like the main cabin floor. I'm trying to really get a good fix on the wide of the floor and where it's fixed in the f
273 Zeke: That is correct, the bent floor we see if the cargo floor with the rollers, on top of that you can make out the roof of the cargo bay and one of the
274 IAD787: Preliminary detailed timeline of events from Airbus: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...tihad-a340600-preliminary-tim.html
275 Boeing4ever: On closer in spection, looks like that's right. Wonder what the main cabin looks like now up forward. B4e-Forever New Frontiers
276 474218: Seems that Airbus has put the blame solely on the engine run crew.
277 Ncelhr: Airbus email servers have always blocked JPGs, (and EXE & GIF etc.) because employees used to send too many non work-related pictures to each other.
278 Knoxibus: I guess it's not for all Airbus employees then... Anyway, looks like most of the airframe was removed from the test zone, but I can't see much from m
279 Wirelock: the airbus ground test engineer would not have been using the AMM but a ground test manual produced by airbus for deliveries. either there was a mist
280 474218: I have no idea what your point is? All I said is "Airbus has put the blame solely on the engine run crew" which is exactly what the Airbus preliminar
281 Cruiser: WOW! It hit at 30knots! That is very fast when you hit a brick wall. No wonder the damage was so severe. James
282 VC-10: You don't have windows open on Eng runs - too much noise. As for visibilty thats is why you should a someone on a headset outside. What I don't under
283 Pmurr: Was the frame written off ? Does anyone know ?
284 WingedMigrator: For an aircraft, yes. A properly designed modern automobile can hit a brick wall at 30 knots with a nearly 100% chance of survival for its occupants.
285 Boeing4ever: Airbus has indicated that A340-642X MSN 856 F-WWCJ is written off. EY has cancelled the deposit for this specific frame and will not be taking delive
286 Flymad: Somewhere in the thread (not sure if Part 1 or part2) there was a comment (by Airbus?) that the accident happened while the a/c was leaving the area
287 MD-90: To be fair, the automobile isn't expected to fly, let alone fly for 7000 miles with pax, luggage, and cargo.
288 Tdscanuck: Unless you're going flying or doing some kind of taxi test, there'd be no reason for a flight crew to be on board. In which case yes, they ground tes
289 474218: Ground engine runs are normally performed by mechanics, not pilots, so yes the ground test mechanics would have been in charge.
290 Davescj: As for EY, can they get the "next" 340 off the line, and everyone moves down a spot? Or does Airbus have "space" built into their timeline to allow an
291 Moo: The order has been canceled, but in any case the next airframe on the line would have already been allocated go a customer with a delivery date, who
292 EMBQA: Doubtful.... aircraft are custom built for each airline and you can't just pick one off the line. By 'custom built' I mean wiring for IFE, avionics,
293 Tdscanuck: Lead time between firm configuration and production of the plane is typically on the order of 9-12 months. Even if EY could pay off the next person i
294 Qslinger: You are right... What is the meaning of the letter "G" on top of the cockpit windows??
295 LTU932: It's the last digit of the registration it was supposed to be delivered with, which is, or would have been, A6-EHG.
296 RoseFlyer: This incident really scares me because of the number of first engine runs that I've been on. I've never belted myself in before. I never really took p
297 VC-10: Throttling back to idle as soon as the a/c starting moving would have been a good idea instead of waiting 11 seconds.
298 Flymad: gentlemen, are we not all ignoring the Airbus statement that states that the a/c was EXITING the area when the accident occurred. ie the test was ove
299 Mirrodie: You know, I was asking myself the same thing. There is a 11-14 second interlude that is unaccounted for in the following: http://www.flightglobal.com
300 VC-10: Yes you are missing something, the 2nd OIT issed by Airbus last Wednesday. Mirrodie's post has the link.
301 RFields5421: Sounds like a racer car driver I know - actually former race car driver - who never belted himself in for warming up the engine in the pits - until a
302 Davescj: I'd add boats to that........face it, if the engine is running, it can move. Dave
303 Pygmalion: the Airbus statement said that all 4 engines were running at full power for 12 seconds, no chocks, parking brakes and/or normal brakes only. 10+ seco
304 AndrewUber: Running all four engines at high power without chocks was begging for an accident to happen. What baffles me is the long delay in reducing power once
305 Davescj: Is it possible they wanted to taxi the plane somewhere? Why else would the chocks be off? Thanks! Dave
306 474218: Actually the last digit in the registration is the 6. Digits are the Arabic numbers 1 through 9 and the symbol 0, rest are letters. One does not taxi
307 Iwok: Yes, but if you compare the structural efficiency of a car and a 340, you'll find that the car weight is primarily composed on safety "shell" for the
308 GeorgeJetson: It's definitely a letter "G", not a number "6".
309 LHRBlueSkies: I have it on good authority, that those involved are actually union activists, upset at the Power8 restructure, and on backhanders from Boeing...!! He
310 VC-10: 1.26 EPR is not full power. Max EPR permitted for ground running a A346 is 1.33 As soon as you let the brakes off an A346 with all four engines runni
311 Queso: I can't help but wonder what a 787 would look like after the same type of incident. I know that broken is broken but I wonder how the pattern of damag
312 474218: I agree that "G" is a letter. But the original post said that "G" was a digit. Digits are numbers not letters: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0 are Digit
313 Tdscanuck: It would certainly look different...you can't really tear composite like you can tear metal. Probably more crushing/delamination-type damage and less
314 Teneriffe77: Has the plane ben removed from the site yet?
315 Scouseflyer: If the impact was really hard it would shatter along the stress line and there would be black powder everywhere.
316 Legoguy: Sorry to bump this thread however I came across this aerial photo from the sister website of the crashed A346. http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...
317 Vega9000: It seems like the aircraft left a long skid mark. But on the left side only? And it looks misaligned with the wheels. Anyone knows what it is?
318 Lnglive1011yyz: Now that we know that everyone is going to be okay --- does anyone find it funny that the aerial shot has a HUGE blue arrow pointing almost in the dir
319 Legoguy: At first I thought the skidmarks were misalligned with the left wing landing gear however when the aircraft hit the wall, it went up and and to the r
320 Davescj: Has Airbus released any thing new about the plane? EY going to get a replacement? Dave
321 747Dreamlifter: Here's a great photo of this dying bird posted on our sister site (MyAviatlion.net) http://myaviation.net/?pid=01220767 The nose and forward fuselage
322 Beeweel15: It was said that the aircraft was chocked during this test. That could be the one chock that held and was carried by the aircraft.
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