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AV Applies For MCO, IAD. + Other News  
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6537 times:

At the next public audience for the awarding of routes and frequencies, Colombia's civil aviation authority will discuss applications as follows:

AVIANCA:
BOG-MCO, 7 weekly
BOG-IAD, 7 Weekly
BOG-LAX, 2 weekly for a total of 6
BOG-JFK, 7 weekly for a total of 14
BOG-PTY, 3 weekly for a total of 17
BOG to LON, FRA and CDG, previously announced but that were not discussed at the last meeting.

SAM, and here is a surprise:
BAQ-MIA, 7 weekly
CTG-MIA, 7 weekly

I suppose this is a strategy to reduce capacity in the face of the oncoming competition in CTG and BAQ, by using Fokker 100s instead of the MD83s, that will start to leave the fleet sooner rather than later anyway.

AIRES:
BOG-NYC, 7 weekly
The audience will also consider applications for Aires to serve FLL from different colombian cities, that were postponed from the last audience, pending the expansion of the bilateral with the US.

AEROREPUBLICA
As with Aires, decisions postponed from the last meeting will be discussed again. These are for service to MIA from different points in Colombia

[Edited 2007-11-16 12:49:08]

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6510 times:

Interesting applications, but I wonder who will get what? SAM should get MIA-CTG/BAQ by default, since those are Open Skies. So AIRES, Avianca, and AEROREPUBLICA are going to be competing for the 21 open frequencies. I wouldn't be surprised if each get seven frequencies. There isn't a market for two carriers on Orlando-Colombia, so if jetBlue and Avianca both get MCO-BOG, I wonder if both will go for it.

[Edited 2007-11-16 12:56:59]


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User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

WOW, AIRES serving NYC??? how's that going to work, are they planing to acquire bigger airplanes ?? can anyone please explain me this route cause sincerely don't understand it, it will make more sense to do it from the coast rather than BOG

In the other hand AV in MCO, is this route all year round or is going to be only seasonal? they are currently flying to MIA and FLL plus the frequencies from AA, is the south Florida market so big to handle flights from 3 different cities that are relatively close? and lets not forget that SAM/AV are planning to add the daily CTG/BAQ-MIA.


Regards.

MATURRO727


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6471 times:



Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 2):

In the other hand AV in MCO, is this route all year round or is going to be only seasonal? they are currently flying to MIA and FLL plus the frequencies from AA, is the south Florida market so big to handle flights from 3 different cities that are relatively close

MCO is not in South Florida. They are two entirely different cities. Orlando definitley has a big enough Colombian community to support a daily to Bogotá.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6373 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Interesting applications, but I wonder who will get what? SAM should get MIA-CTG/BAQ by default, since those are Open Skies. So AIRES, Avianca, and AEROREPUBLICA are going to be competing for the 21 open frequencies

Sure, MM should not have any trouble getting the MIA frequencies from CTG and BAQ. Any delay will most likely come from getting its operation approved in the US, as they are technically a different company from AV, and have not flown to the US in recent history.

As you say there are 21 new frequencies, but the equation gets more complicated than that, as AeroRepublica have been already promised some, there are also some outstanding ones for Aires. On the other side of the equation we have 17 frequencies that no longer count, namely AV's current services from BAQ and CTG to MIA and JFK, so a net total of 38 up for grabs.

As for MCO, I guess AV would want to start in the Spring, as does jetBlue if I remember rightly. Will be one to watch.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6291 times:

I wasn´t expecting those applications to come so soon. With 38 available frequencies, AV will get all they want, P5 and AIRES will do too.


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6262 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Thread starter):
AVIANCA:
BOG-MCO, 7 weekly
BOG-IAD, 7 Weekly
BOG-LAX, 2 weekly for a total of 6
BOG-JFK, 7 weekly for a total of 14
BOG-PTY, 3 weekly for a total of 17
BOG to LON, FRA and CDG, previously announced but that were not discussed at the last meeting.

I am missing SJU and SDQ, so we will see them in the next round?

anyway good news!



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3967 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Too bad AV seems uninterested in IAH.

It would be nice to see South American metal in H-Town once again (Viasa was IAH''s only South American carrier).But I suppose that CO has put a kibosh on any potential services from South American carriers for the foreseeable future.

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7587 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

7 weekly flights to IAD seem a bit ambitious to me. What do you make of it Juan?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

well is about time that they listen to me , MCO is a huge market for colombia . you have no idea how fustrating is to drive down all away to FLL or MIA to get your relatives . also , the colombian community is very big in orlando , and I think that AV is asking to much flights to IAD .

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6050 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
7 weekly flights to IAD seem a bit ambitious to me

dont forget, via BOG they can offer beside the colombian market, connecting flights to SJO, PTY, UIO, GYE, VLN, CCS, LIM, SLC, GRU, EZE soon ASU.. and maybe its the first sight in order to entering star!



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6014 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
7 weekly flights to IAD seem a bit ambitious to me

Hey Ed! Yes, I would imagine that AV would probably start 3 or 4 times a week, and see how it goes.

As Avianca said, there is also potential for connections, but that depends on what time the flight is programmed (I would guess red eye northbound) It will probably only be good for connections from and to LIM, UIO, GYE and CCS, apart from domestic destinations, as other southamerican stations are one single flights, and if it's convenient one way, it os not so for the other.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6008 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 11):
as other southamerican stations are one single flights, and if it's convenient one way, it os not so for the other.

yes, true, but remember there are always willing low-yield pessengers to connect even on such flights...



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5912 times:



Quoting Danimarroquin (Reply 9):
well is about time that they listen to me , MCO is a huge market for colombia . you have no idea how fustrating is to drive down all away to FLL or MIA to get your relatives . also , the colombian community is very big in orlando , and I think that AV is asking to much flights to IAD .

If they are asking too much for Washington, then they are asking too much for Orlando. Washington/NoVa has a bigger Colombian community, IIRC. It is the third largest in the country I believe, after NYC/NJ and Miami/Lauderdale.



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5866 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
MCO is not in South Florida. They are two entirely different cities. Orlando definitley has a big enough Colombian community to support a daily to Bogotá.

MCO could potentially support service to other cities as well, even if only a few times a week. Even 2 Colombian carriers at MCO couldt eventually happen.

the MCO-Colombia service was long overdue... finally.


As far as Aerorepublica/Aires/Sam, when can we expect them in the US? sometime in 2008, 2009?

Quoting Danimarroquin (Reply 9):
well is about time that they listen to me , MCO is a huge market for colombia . you have no idea how fustrating is to drive down all away to FLL or MIA to get your relatives . also , the colombian community is very big in orlando , and I think that AV is asking to much flights to IAD .

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I also think the IAD service seems too much. Don't know if the Washington/northern Virginia Colombian population is larger than central florida's and even if it were, in proportion I'm sure the latter is larger.

If it wasn't for the current political climate/recent upgrading of Venezuela to Cat I so recently, we would be seeing a Venezuelan airline at Orlando as well. It's likely there would be a Dominican airline flying to MCO too again if it weren't for that country's long-standing FAA status that was just recently elevated to CAT I.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5787 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 14):
MCO could potentially support service to other cities as well, even if only a few times a week. Even 2 Colombian carriers at MCO couldt eventually happen.

Specially if one airline flies to MCO and the other flies to SFB; better from different Colombian cities (BOG and MDE or BAQ?).

I would like to see soon is a once/twice-weekly ADZ-MIA, even on P5 "no business class" E190.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5776 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 15):
I would like to see soon is a once/twice-weekly ADZ-MIA, even on P5 "no business class" E190.

but would it work? specially with multiple other possible routings... ??



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5724 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Thread starter):
BOG-IAD, 7 Weekly
BOG-LAX, 2 weekly for a total of 6



Quoting Summa767 (Thread starter):
BOG to LON

Interesting!
AV is applying to Star Alliance's bases.



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Quoting Summa767 (Thread starter):
AIRES:
BOG-NYC, 7 weekly

I am not clear about the proper aircraft to operate this proposal.



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Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 2):
In the other hand AV in MCO, is this route all year round or is going to be only seasonal? they are currently flying to MIA and FLL plus the frequencies from AA

Both AV and AA fly MIA-BOG.
Nowadays, BOG-FLL-BOG is covered solely by AV taking into account code-share cooperation with DL.



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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 14):
I also think the IAD service seems too much. Don't know if the Washington/northern Virginia Colombian population is larger than central florida's

Probably, AV is also considering the possibility to serve IAD as a Star Alliance base in the future.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5694 times:

Traffic between Orlando and South America, while recently showing signs of improvement, has collapsed in the past decade, hence one reason for Latin carrier's lack of interest in the market. In 2000, nearly 2000,000 Brazilians traveled to Orlando. Less than five years later, that number was only 74,000. While numbers from all countries are showing growth lately - notably Colombia - it's still slow and half of what it was during the 1990s.

Nonetheless there is definitely a market for MCO-BOG, though, and somebody will fill it.

[Edited 2007-11-17 17:45:02]


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5596 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Traffic between Orlando and South America, while recently showing signs of improvement, has collapsed in the past decade, hence one reason for Latin carrier's lack of interest in the market. In 2000, nearly 2000,000 Brazilians traveled to Orlando. Less than five years later, that number was only 74,000. While numbers from all countries are showing growth lately - notably Colombia - it's still slow and half of what it was during the 1990s.

I'm not trying to contradict your theory just for the sake of doing so but.. without the need to look any numbers up it's very obvious Venezuelan, Colombians, etc and pretty much people from every spanish-speaking country are coming to Orlando in higher numbers than ever before. While in the 90s they were going to S. Florida, from the late 90's on, more and more (especially Venezuelans and Colombians) have been settling in Orlando.

I know a good number of them who go every year to visit family and to spend new years over there etc, so obviously they have have to fly.

It's true that Brazilian tourism to both Miami and Orlando took a dive after 9/11, but the Brazilian resident numbers have also risen since then. I've been noticing a good number of Ecuadorians in Orlando lately. Not to mention the already large number of Peruvians, Argentinians, etc.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):

I'm not trying to contradict your theory just for the sake of doing so but.. without the need to look any numbers up it's very obvious Venezuelan, Colombians, etc and pretty much people from every spanish-speaking country are coming to Orlando in higher numbers than ever before. While in the 90s they were going to S. Florida, from the late 90's on, more and more (especially Venezuelans and Colombians) have been settling in Orlando.

Well, if you look at actual traffic numbers and facts, rather than just what you are observing, you would see that isn't the case. Facts like census data that entirely contradict what you are saying. South Americans moving to the United States, by far, largely settle in Miami/Fort Lauderdale and New York City, not Orlando. Houston has been receiving a huge influx of Venezuelans, while Washington/Northern Virgina has been seeing a large influx of Colombians and Bolivians, while Boston, as it always has, is a favorite for Brazilians. Orlando, as always, remains a favorite with Puerto Ricans, as well as Colombians and Dominicans. While the numbers for other nationalities might surely have been improving, they are nothing significant. Colombians, Dominicans, and Puerto Ricans are the three Latin communities of significance in Orlando, and at least jetBlue has finally recognized the need to serve these markets from Orlando, outside of SJU.

As this Orlando Sentinel article shows...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...orl-cover1207nov12,0,3461899.story

...there is definitely going to be growth in the Orlando-South America tourist market in the future, however. Brazilians are starting, slowly but surely, to visit the U.S. in greater numbers. Though Venezuelan tourism to the U.S. has collapsed, and they were traditionally the second biggest source of tourists from Latin America.

[Edited 2007-11-18 02:08:01]


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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5480 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Houston has been receiving a huge influx of Venezuelans,

That's very true. In 2004 I had only one friend in Houston, nowdays I have four different houses to stay in when I visit Houston.

I wonder if AV will start marketing this flights from other stations outside Colombia, like UIO, LIM, GYE, PTY, VLN, CCS. I think they might get many pax from Venezuela especially nowdays that a r/t CCS-MIA in high season is impossible to get nonstop and you can only get it via ATL or IAH for as low as $1500!!!! madness!!!

Saludos desde Monterrey,
Luis


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5464 times:



Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 21):
I wonder if AV will start marketing this flights from other stations outside Colombia, like UIO, LIM, GYE, PTY, VLN, CCS. I think they might get many pax from Venezuela especially nowdays that a r/t CCS-MIA in high season is impossible to get nonstop and you can only get it via ATL or IAH for as low as $1500!!!! madness!!!

no doubt they would marketing this flights with all there outside colombia stations.
sadly these days its also not easy to get tickets with avianca to any destionation out of CCS... the flights are more than fully booked... sold out till the end of the year even on business!!!
addtionally they will install in the high season a 6th flight on the CCS-BOG route... leaving CCS at 05:30pm but I am sure they will continue with the flight even after the high season... some was done when the 5th flight in the summer high season was installed... pritty amazing how AV is doing on the CCS route.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineFabi727 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5412 times:

It is true Avianca must be doing very well on the CCS and VLN routes as in October I flew VLN -BOG and some passengers were left stranded on the way to their connecting flights to Miami, and South America as Avianca overbooked the flight. I had to return to CCS in business class as all the flights to VLN were full for the following ten days. In VLN The Avianca agent said that this flight sells itself and they do not need to advertise it. They started it twice a week and now daily and they are thinking about opening a route to Maracaibo,so I think Avianca should keep an eye on the potential of VLN and send a bigger plane or increase to two flights daily as lots of people like this flight despite the change of plane in Bogota. Although there is a direct flight to Miami Aeropostal have a bad reputation on their direct flight as they keep on cancelling for technical reasons and losing luggage .
I read in Venezuela Gazeta Aerea that Aeropostal is getting a 757 for the Miami to VLN and CCS routes. This must be yet another dream of Mr Ramiz!

Has Avianca rights for direct services to Miami from Venezuela as they used to have for Europe?


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5403 times:



Quoting Fabi727 (Reply 23):
They started it twice a week and now daily and they are thinking about opening a route to Maracaibo,

well a flight to Maracaibo is overdue... I am sure AV would make a hell of money also on this route!

Quoting Fabi727 (Reply 23):
I think Avianca should keep an eye on the potential of VLN and send a bigger plane or increase to two flights daily as lots of people like this flight despite the change of plane in Bogota

a 767 would be a dream ! well VLN has a lot of cargo potencial... and they would fill the flight without any problem with passengers and cargo.. but I think it is more realistic to see soon a second daily flight into VLN (as I understand it is already in planing)

Quoting Fabi727 (Reply 23):
Although there is a direct flight to Miami Aeropostal have a bad reputation on their direct flight as they keep on cancelling for technical reasons and losing luggage .

yes Aeropostal is the worst airline I ever used...

Quoting Fabi727 (Reply 23):
I read in Venezuela Gazeta Aerea that Aeropostal is getting a 757 for the Miami to VLN and CCS routes. This must be yet another dream of Mr Ramiz!

well the 757 is already used on the route since several weeks... as I understand already returned... has anybody more news on this?

Quoting Fabi727 (Reply 23):
Has Avianca rights for direct services to Miami from Venezuela as they used to have for Europe?

not sure about flights to MIAMI, I am only sure they have rights to fligh within the Andean comunity, and AV had last year plans to star CCS-LIM-CCS flights...



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25 MIAMIx707 : Depending how one looks at those facts. While of course most South Americans would want to go to Miami out of hype and the perceived need that they d
26 Laxintl : Good to see AV increase. I know they have been quite active pushing beyond service to EZE/LIM/GRU with ethnic travel agencies in the LA area. The add
27 Avianca : as I understand AV is doing good money with cargo on the route ex LAX (interlining with several asian carriers)
28 RCS763AV : Well, even if VH was the worse airline ever, the absence of their two flights is pushing AV´s LF´s high up. That, and the fact that the government
29 Avianca : well there two flights are long gone, the last month were operated with 6 x weekly combined flights CCS-MDE-BOG-MDE-CCS, mostly with under 50 passeng
30 777jaah : UI don't know about those numbers. I've been in Orlando 3 times for the past 5 years and would have loved to avoid the drive on my way up, and I don'
31 MAH4546 : The numbers are accurate, and it is one reason why Orlando's tourism board has started a major push to get South American tourists back. It's been a
32 Bongo : Plane?
33 777jaah : Probably they'll start the rpute after the first 330s arrive, and some 767s will be available, whihc are perfect for the route. JAAH
34 RCS763AV : Even if they are long gone, it hasnt even been a year. The only competition AV is facing is a daily LAN A319, which comes from LIM, so thats no more
35 Avianca : If y remember well the double daily is gone over a year now... (not 100% sure about it..) didnt they had for a short time even 3 daily flights? Btw a
36 Post contains images Summa767 : MORE ON AIRES: They have extended their application for frequencies to the US: Apart from the one already mentioned, namely BOG-NYC, they have request
37 Bongo : For AIRES??? Did I miss something?
38 777jaah : AV of course..........
39 Avianca707359B : Oh come on, Bucaramanga to Ft Lauderdale? On AIRES? Is this realistic? It's a charming city with a population of over 1 million and I imagine for tho
40 2travel2know : Maybe Airoes will be offering land or air transportation for those in CUC wishing to use those BGA-FLL service? But isn't FLL's F.I.S. already very m
41 Post contains images Bongo : Read the topic
42 SOUTHAMERICA : Everybody seems to be forgetting several things: 1) Applying for a route does not equate to actually opening the route. Many of these applications, if
43 Shadez : Yep, it's obvious NK and Aires are doing all they can to obtain as many frequencies as possible. Isn't Barranquilla open skies? Do they still have to
44 Jfk777 : I welcome all the new service to Barranquilla and Cartagena but even if fares fall 50% is there a market for 3 or four BAQ to Florida flights daily ?
45 777jaah : Don't be surprised if Aires and Spirit already have an agreement and in some way, Aires requesting for this routes is part of it. Even more i f by an
46 Summa767 : Or would it be as additional frequencies? The only way I can see it working is an extension of the flight from BOG/MDE/CLO flight. How about an eveni
47 RICARIZA : I was going to say this. I am sure AV is taking into consideration connecting flights in BOG to the rest of latin america Central, South, Caribbean).
48 Maracucho85 : I was just going to ask you guys about this. MAR has been long waiting for this to exist. Aires has been covering the route, but I'm completely sure
49 Avianca : well get last week the information that the route is considered by AV management... I am sure we will see AV latest January 2009 (as mentioned latest
50 Post contains images WesternA318 : I knwo this is wishful thinking, but Im hoping someday while Im still alive Avianca applpies for BOG-SLC...
51 Post contains images Avianca : I am sure that before your wisful thinking route we will see mine wishful thinking route what would be MDE-MUC cheers
52 NwAflyer07 : Wow, MCO? That'l be a nice new addition to the international flights in and out of here!
53 WesternA318 : Avianca, my friend, how are ya? Maybe a BOG-ATH route would be nice as well, but could the 763 make it?
54 Summa767 : On the application for routes from Colombia to the US, there were more frequencies applied for than are available. Routes from CTG and BAQ excepted, o
55 Humberside : Are they likely to use JFK or EWR?
56 777jaah : I know...I was expecting CDG way before than FRA.......who knows, maybe the press release is just wrong... Well see how "fair" Panama will be with no
57 Av757 : Avianca just incorporated into its fleet a Boeing 757-200, totalling now eight airplanes of the type. It started flying on November 30th doing BOG-ADZ
58 Summa767 : I must say that Aires's proposed routes are a mystery to me. They say that first jets would be arriving in Feb next year, and yet they did not seem s
59 Post contains images 777jaah : Are you feling Blue today Juan?? dark blue?? Light Blue?? or simple J... blue?? JAAH
60 Post contains images Summa767 : Fantastic to know that she is now flying commercially with AV. I saw a picture of 802 some weeks ago at MDE. Surprising that it was used on ADZ. A on
61 SJOtoLIR : I agree the complexity for AIRES BOG-NYC may imply the chance to negotiate their traffic rights with other air carriers. However, AIRES [CTG/BAQ]-FLL
62 Bogota : So is AV heading for LHR or LGW?
63 777jaah : Slot restrictions in LHR make it very expensive, and it doesn't make any difference if they go to LGW, they'll be the only non-stop carrier from BOG,
64 2travel2know : If AV's has the only BOG-London non-stop, they could well fly to STN (better) or LTN (better not), save lots of Pounds Sterling and forget about LGW.
65 MAH4546 : I'm sorry, but that's just a dumb idea. Most people would rather connect. Why do you always seem to think that alternative airports are always a good
66 Summa767 : AV must have some clear ideas about its plan for London, as for when it sibmitted the application for European routes, CDG was included, as well as LO
67 A388 : So Aires is getting 3 A320s as per this thread? I wasn't aware of that. Will they also use those A320s to CUR? They are doing pretty well to CUR as fa
68 Summa767 : I can't help but to be somewhat sceptic about Aires's jet plans in the short term, but will be glad if they do pull them through. With AV and DAE on
69 A388 : Hi Summa767, how are you doing? Aires flies to CUR from Barranquilla and not BOG like AV and 9H do. On saturdays we even have 2 flights from Aires co
70 SJOtoLIR : Regardless the airport, all the future traffic on AV will end in London. A strategic airport there, might be able to transfer those AV's passengers t
71 MAH4546 : Newark has no slots, and at the times a normal JFK-Brazil flight would operate, JFK also has no slots (JFK only has slots during select periods). U.S
72 SOUTHAMERICA : I believe that AV has to select an airport in London giving priority to what O&D passengers want and prefer, plain and simple. Possible interline agr
73 Danimarroquin : so usually how long thats it takes to know if the route was aprove or not ? beacause here at MCO we really need the Avianca service fast , so I just h
74 2travel2know : Agreed, But someone here really made fun of my comment about AV flying to either STN or LTN.
75 SOUTHAMERICA : I didn't say AV should fly to STN or LTN. I said that AV should select the airport based on what O&D passengers prefer, and I suspect that the vast m
76 Post contains links Danimarroquin : OK , according to this web all the routes are already approve , so Avianca pretty sure will start to fly very soon to this new routes . I hope MCO wil
77 777jaah : Agree. But how easy is to find slots in decent hours in LHR?? I don't think there'splenty of them, and if so, AV will have to spend big bucks buying
78 2travel2know : One shouldn't forget that U.S. airlines currently flying to LGW are going to move lots of their flights to LHR. LHR slots will become a very precious
79 Summa767 : I have to agree that on the premise that AV uses LON as an origin and Southamerica as a destination and vice-versa the new route should work well, an
80 A388 : Since nobody seems to answer my question I have asked twice in total, I will repeat it again: Is AV really that successful when it comes down to carg
81 MIAMIx707 : Hola Danny que tal? No Avianca will not be starting service this December but for sure they'll be flying to MCO in 2008. There's more Orlando-Latin A
82 Summa767 : I know that cargo to CUR is very important, but as you said, there are specialised cargo only companies transporting it at the moment, more than AV,
83 SOUTHAMERICA : Cargo to CUR is important, but it probably isn't enough to justify dedicating a valuable 757. The 757 rotations are tight and flights to the US are g
84 Post contains images A388 : If cargo really is going very well for AV to CUR they would give cargo priority over passengers. The cargo market in CUR is much bigger compared to A
85 LACA773 : How are the load factors BOG-LAX-BOG? When will they initate the fifth weekly flight to LAX? 762? LACA773
86 SOUTHAMERICA : Unfortunately we don't have official numbers for load-factors on BOG-LAX. Last we heard, it was around the mid-70s, according to a user from Los Ange
87 Toxtethogrady : If they're coming to IAD, they're keeping awfully mum about it to the Washington authorities. By all rights we should have Avianca, Jet Airways, Air
88 Bogota : The route was already granted, AV will begin flights to IAD October 2008.
89 MAH4546 : The route was granted. That does not mean it will actually start. We'll have to wait and see if Avianca is serious about Dulles and Orlando.
90 Avianca : why not? AV is in a huge expansion... geting x new aircrafts....
91 MAH4546 : Because airlines apply for routes and don't start them all the time. It helps them secure route authority for future expansion. I'm not saying it won
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