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Delta To JFK-TLV Why So Expensive?  
User currently offlineJfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7623 times:

I am trying to book a flight on Delta from JFK to TLV on March 31'2008, Why is the flight so expensive?

$1'705?

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

First, you might be booking a bit early. The adage that booking early gets the lowest fares isn't always true. I've found that fares for transatlantic flights generally have the best deals about 2-3 months in advance.

Second, there are the obvious high security costs of flying to Israel.

Third, the US dollar is very weak now, which not only affects fares directly but the price of jet fuel, which is already at all-time highs.

Fourth, this market is heavily traveled but not as well-served as markets such as JFK-London, so there is less competition and more demand in relation to the number of seats available.

Fifth, it's in the spring, which I believe is high tourist season.



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User currently offlineTravelGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

If you change your travel dates by one day, it appears the fares are at least $500 less than that amount.

TLV is usually a higher fare destination as the options are somewhat limited. That time is between Easter and Passover too, so not doubt that affects advance bookings, group space held etc...

Try contacting a reputable specialist travel agent / consolidator to Israel. They generally can save you a lot of $$$.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 1):
Third, the US dollar is very weak now, which not only affects fares directly but the price of jet fuel, which is already at all-time highs.

Fares to/from Israel from/to the U.S. are always quoted in USD $. All fares from Israel to other parts of the world are priced in USD $ as well.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

Continental is $970 I could just take Continental I have been to Israel 25 Times I know how it works but these prices are redicilous

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

I made this flight only once with TK and it was fine. A quick look at TKs website, RT will be around $1200, with a couple of hours stop in IST.
DL was supposed to fill these flights, maybe they are trying to take advantage of the situation.


User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

It is called CAPITALISM! Supply and demand. People want to fly the route, seats are limited. Delta has one of two choices:
increase the number of seat or raise the price to what the market will bear. If you don't like the price a) find another airline that is cheaper or b) don't travel. The choice is yours.

Ultimately, if Delta sees that it is in their interest to increase the number of seats, initially the price will remain the same, but ultimately, they will LOWER the price, and still come out ahead. This is Economics 101, and you should be well versed in it, if you are even considering buying a ticket to anywhere!

The fly in the ointment: What is Delta doing to EARN your $1700, which you could be paying to a competitor? Are they giving better on board service? Are they providing better scheduling? I think you get the point.

(Personally, my prejudice is toward El Al. I haven't flown with them in 20 years, but once you board, you have no fears of which airport you are going to touch down in. Lech lechah, b'shalom!)



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7391 times:
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Quoting Jfk787nyc (Thread starter):
am trying to book a flight on Delta from JFK to TLV on March 31'2008, Why is the flight so expensive?

$1'705?

The reason is, DL86 JFK-TLV on 31 March 08 is already very heavily booked; availability currently looks like this:

J8 D4 I0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0

As the above shows, all the cheaper coach fares are already gone; even Business is quite full already...


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3369 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

Shop around, unless you must absolutely, positively fly DL. Look at European airlines as well, if you don't mind connecting in Europe.


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User currently offlineLY204 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7186 times:



Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):

(Personally, my prejudice is toward El Al. I haven't flown with them in 20 years, but once you board, you have no fears of which airport you are going to touch down in. Lech lechah, b'shalom!)

I am a big DL and CO fan, but even if the fare was $100-200 more, I would opt for El Al every time.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6905 times:

Fly CO and get your DL miles, if you're into that.
Especially since you've found a good price.
I'd rather take CO anyway, but that's just personal preference.

By the way, is $900 really that bad for a flight of such duration? Considering I spend anywhere from $700 to $1400 to fly from Anchorage, Alaska to Dallas, Texas... $900 seems like a bargain to me.


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

I too would expect about 1000 for a seat that time of year/that duration. Also, remember you're gonna get hit with taxes and fees. You could find a cheaper fare helps the bottom line....and don't be afraid to connect via europe.....Alitalia, AF and KLM all fly to Israel (I think) and you'll get DL miles on all of them.

Dave



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6866 times:



Quoting 777STL (Reply 7):
Look at European airlines as well, if you don't mind connecting in Europe.

Bingo! With IB only charging $662* round-trip departing 3/31/08, why would anyone pay over $1000 more just to fly DL? I wouldn't do it, unless there was a compelling reason.

*Found on expedia.com for departure 3/31/08, with a return on 4/8/08.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6752 times:

Do they have to stamp your passport when going to Israel? I know most middle eastern countries won't let you in with one in your passport.


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User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6740 times:



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
Bingo! With IB only charging $662* round-trip departing 3/31/08, why would anyone pay over $1000 more just to fly DL? I wouldn't do it, unless there was a compelling reason.

It's called "Non-Stop". You always pay more for less time. Not to mention less chances of miss-connects , lost luggage etc.


User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6623 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 6):
J8 D4 I0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0

Can you please translate this Gibberish?



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6602 times:



Quoting Avi (Reply 14):
Quoting Panamair (Reply 6):
J8 D4 I0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0

Can you please translate this Gibberish?

Those are the available seats/fares. No leasure fares (T, L, U), limited flexible fares (No H, Q, only 9 B and M left), 9 full coach (Y), dont know what D is, and 8 business class (J).



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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 931 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6482 times:
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
Those are the available seats/fares. No leasure fares (T, L, U), limited flexible fares (No H, Q, only 9 B and M left), 9 full coach (Y), dont know what D is, and 8 business class (J).

D is another business class bucket... I is a discounted biz fare. BTW, the airline may never have offered the cheaper coach fares for this flight. Not every flight offers the LUT (deeply discounted coach fares) fares.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6473 times:



Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 16):
D is another business class bucket... I is a discounted biz fare. BTW, the airline may never have offered the cheaper coach fares for this flight. Not every flight offers the LUT (deeply discounted coach fares) fares.

Ok, thanks!

Can someone give me their opinion about my question on the who Israel stamp and going to middle eastern countries?



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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6451 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Can someone give me their opinion about my question on the who Israel stamp and going to middle eastern countries?

IIRC Israel will stamp your passport with a special removable page upon request.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6361 times:



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 18):
IIRC Israel will stamp your passport with a special removable page upon request.

I figured there must be a way for someone to get it out their passport.



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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6233 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 6):
availability currently looks like this:

J8 D4 I0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0

Unless you are working in travel industry, perhaps as a travel agent, these fares don't mean anything. As already requested above, can we get an explanation of what all of this means? Specifically what each letter code means and what does the number next to it represent?

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Can someone give me their opinion about my question on the who Israel stamp and going to middle eastern countries?

When I went to Israel I got my passport stamped without anyone asking me anything. But I don't mind, if other countries are so racist that they wouldn't let foreign visitors in simply because that person at some time in the past went to Israel, this just doesn't tell me anything positive about the intelligence level of those countries' governments. If they are sooo much racist, I wouldn't want to go there myself without even having them refuse my entry request. We live in the 21st century, it's time to leave racism behind.

Leo.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6137 times:
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Quoting Levg79 (Reply 20):

Quoting Panamair (Reply 6):
availability currently looks like this:

J8 D4 I0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0

Unless you are working in travel industry, perhaps as a travel agent, these fares don't mean anything. As already requested above, can we get an explanation of what all of this means? Specifically what each letter code means and what does the number next to it represent?

These are fare codes, and for Delta they mean this:

J = Full Business Class fare
D = Discounted Business Class fare
I = Deeply Discounted Business Class
Y = Full Economy fare
B = Economy (a few restrictions)
M = Economy ( a few more restrictions)
H, Q, K = Mid-tier Discounted Economy fares (more restrictions)
L, U. T = Deeply Discounted Economy fares (most restrictions, non-refundable, non-changeable, etc.)

The numbers next to the letters indicate the number of seats available for sale (including overbooking) in that fare category (between 0 and 9). If there are more than 9 seats available, it will still show 9.

Generally when the inventory looks like the above for coach, it already means that the plane is quite full already since pretty much all the lower Y classes (H through T) are completely gone.


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5914 times:

CO will be glad to take you EWR-TLV 2x a day for about USD 1000

User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5914 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 21):

Nice information, How is it possible to get such an information on the availability through the web?
Or you need to be registered to some specific system or website?
Thanks

Ciao
Joe


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5605 times:



Quoting Levg79 (Reply 20):
When I went to Israel I got my passport stamped without anyone asking me anything. But I don't mind, if other countries are so racist that they wouldn't let foreign visitors in simply because that person at some time in the past went to Israel, this just doesn't tell me anything positive about the intelligence level of those countries' governments. If they are sooo much racist, I wouldn't want to go there myself without even having them refuse my entry request. We live in the 21st century, it's time to leave racism behind.

Something that's being going on for a VERY long time. I mean hundreds of years. A lot of history behind it. Another thread in itself.

Funny how you missed the fare explanation. It was in the same thread as the above response you quoted me on I think.



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25 Semsem : El Al is a lot better than DL or CO. However I am not sure if they give you the full mileage on discounted tickets on DL, AA frequent flyer program. T
26 PIA777 : I have noticed that the TLV route is always expensive on all carriers. PIA777
27 Bok269 : Welcome to my RU list. I did a little research, and found that, for the same dates, LY would cost 1069 with fees and CO would cost 1202. DL was the s
28 Levg79 : There is a lot more demand for TLV flights from New York area than airlines can cope with. I remember being at JFK airport and noticed that there were
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