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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

I am not sure if this has ever been done.. but..

The upcoming launch of Tiger Airways.. had a walk past the "new" Terminal 4 the other week.. they look ready to go!

The new 3x weekly KE services

The increase in CX to 3 daily

Anything else on the horizon?!

Are Virgin's e-jets going to be making a presence here?

I was bummed out to find out my flight to HBA in a couple of weeks was to be an E175 only to be cancelled and we were then rebooked on a later flight only to be another B737-700 flight...

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12212 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4142 times:
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I personally think that this topic could be better discussed in the current Australian Aviation Thread.

User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4138 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
I personally think that this topic could be better discussed in the current Australian Aviation Thread.

Thank you for your valued opinion.

Anyway, just thought of something else.

SQ's roadshow just came through town and highlighted the A380. No mention of planned A380 service here, but what does everybody think of a reasonable timeframe we will see it here... or will QF's A380 be the first out of MEL?

Next flight to SIN next March, we are seriously thinking of flying via SYD just for the experience.

My last flight back on SQ 2 weeks ago on the 77W was amazing.. one of my best flights EVER.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12212 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4129 times:
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Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 2):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
I personally think that this topic could be better discussed in the current Australian Aviation Thread.

Thank you for your valued opinion.

I think having threads about airports is a good idea, but only if its a busy airport like LAX, JFK, ORD, HNL, LHR etc that have a high aircraft usuage and have many different types of flights like delivery flights (HNL)


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4114 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
I think having threads about airports is a good idea, but only if its a busy airport like LAX, JFK, ORD, HNL, LHR etc

I owuld have thought that it would be better discussed in the Aus Aviaiton threadf


User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 936 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4100 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
I personally think that this topic could be better discussed in the current Australian Aviation Thread

I for one am not a fan of the national threads - and much prefer specific discussions (which may or not include a national aspect) - but respect the preference of some to discuss within a national interest. As it is, we all have the option: put a discussion in an existing thread (whether it be nationally-based or not), or post a new one.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
I think having threads about airports is a good idea, but only if its a busy airport

?


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

China Southern introduces Melbourne-Guangzhou direct service eliminating the stop in SYD


The buring question is when will Qatar and Air India start service to MEL??


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4974 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4043 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 2):
or will QF's A380 be the first out of MEL?

Qantas will be the first to introduce the A380 on the MEL-LAX run...

EK413



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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Looks like by next March Tiger Airways will have about 14 daily flights out of Tullamarine.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 7):
The buring question is when will Qatar and Air India start service to MEL??

Exactly. There was so much hype about Qatar Airways and MEL. Haven't heard anything recently. Sounds like it just kind of fizzled out.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3837 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
I think having threads about airports is a good idea, but only if its a busy airport like LAX, JFK, ORD, HNL, LHR

Yes, that's right. maybe we focus only on the crappy, congested airports only.
Don't bother with airports with capacity and 24 hour operations...

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 7):

The buring question is when will Qatar and Air India start service to MEL??



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 9):
Exactly. There was so much hype about Qatar Airways and MEL. Haven't heard anything recently. Sounds like it just kind of fizzled out.

Indian has been deferred in light of the merger with Air India. I would expect this to be reconsidered for a NOV 2008 start.

As for QR... don't forget the B777s are coming into the fleet now.
Expect an announcement by Feb 08 for a June commencement..


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3758 times:

I think it is time for a complete overhaul of Tullamarine.

I know they are planning an upgrade of the International Terminal (again). But seriously, I think it is time to rip the whole complex down and build a completely new facility. Maybe its time to spend some of that massive surplus on better infrastructure.

One of the biggest weaknesses is the amount of curbside available. Every morning flight I take is a batlle of grid lock backed up all the way to Centre Road. This is an absolute mess.

And as for dining options, the airport has very little to offer. Fast food, pub food and that's about it! Overall airports in Australia are lagging behind in this.

Adelaide's new airport is awesome compared to Tullamarine, although on a much smaller scale.

It also sucks that the observation deck is still closed... Sydney's never closed after all the terrorist attacks in the US, so why is Melbourne's closed?!


User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 936 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3719 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
Yes, that's right. maybe we focus only on the crappy, congested airports only.

Like DXB? - a 2-star-airport serving mainly 4-star airlines.

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 11):
I think it is time for a complete overhaul of Tullamarine.

Anything could be better. But I just love MEL. It has plenty of room, good shops in every corner of the airport, before and after customs. And I find the view of aircraft great. Customs staff can be self-righteous (just as Australian customs are everywhere, with somewhat dogmatic profiling - as viewable every week on "Border Security". But then they are obviously not recruited for their sensitivity to difference or imagination).
Short-term parking can be very expensive, but long-term OK. I much prefer it over SYD; and to compare it with ADL or PER is like comparing an elephant with an ant.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3211 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3706 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
I personally think that this topic could be better discussed in the current Australian Aviation Thread.

So every topic having anything to do with Australia should be jammed up in one single thread?

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 11):
I know they are planning an upgrade of the International Terminal (again). But seriously, I think it is time to rip the whole complex down and build a completely new facility. Maybe its time to spend some of that massive surplus on better infrastructure.

I love the fact that MEL has its int'l and domestic flights all in the same building (except for term 4). Somehow this got lost on the other major Australian airports.



MEL is still a bit busier than BNE, which is moving forward with a parallel runway. Does anyone know when MEL will move forward with one of its planned new runways? If anyone can post a link showing how the runway/taxiway layout will look like, I would appreciate it. The best I could find was a Melbourne highway map, which didn't show any detail.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3692 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 13):


Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
I personally think that this topic could be better discussed in the current Australian Aviation Thread.

So every topic having anything to do with Australia should be jammed up in one single thread?

Welll that thread is hardly active so even diluting it even further by AUS airports prob won;t be too successful

I thought we had a Melbourne Airport thread in the past?


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3684 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 13):
MEL is still a bit busier than BNE, which is moving forward with a parallel runway. Does anyone know when MEL will move forward with one of its planned new runways? If anyone can post a link showing how the runway/taxiway layout will look like, I would appreciate it. The best I could find was a Melbourne highway map, which didn't show any detail.

There doesn't appear to be any news about actually building a new runway in the near future. The thing about MEL is, it does not have a hub system. Flights tend to be scattered out with decent frequency all day long. I have NEVER had to wait in a long line of planes waiting to take off. That is where the airport runs very efficiently. However, there has been the odd flight heading to MEL that has had to "slow down" for arrivals ATC.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 13):
MEL is still a bit busier than BNE

BNE seems to be catching up to MEL and there is talk that it may overtake MEL in the next couple of years.

Quoting Antskip (Reply 12):
It has plenty of room, good shops in every corner of the airport, before and after customs.

Well compared to most Asian airports it always disappoints me with the shops and choice of restaurants. It is not a particularly exciting airport to have to spend a few hours at waiting for a flight.

The airport just looks so dated and bland. I say knock it down!

And the views of the airplanes was awesome when we had the observation deck.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

As much as knocking it all down and starting again sounds great, I have come to relaise it just is not feasiable.The airport does a good efficient job. IOt handles the volumes well and has room to expand in future. It would be great to have an airport like Hong Kong or Kuala Lumpur, but is that really neccesary. Most of those projects are usually pilitical statements it seems, which is something that a private organisation just will not invest the capital into.

User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3659 times:



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 16):
Most of those projects are usually pilitical statements it seems, which is something that a private organisation just will not invest the capital into.

I agree completely... but it's great to dream! Ha Ha!

Quoting ANstar (Reply 14):
Welll that thread is hardly active so even diluting it even further by AUS airports prob won;t be too successful

I thought we had a Melbourne Airport thread in the past?

Not since 2002.

But seriously, get over it. If people want to discuss Melbourne only (as you can clearly see they have), that is anyone's prerogative.


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3583 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 15):
The airport just looks so dated and bland. I say knock it down!

Last time I travelled through MEL, which wasn't so many years ago, it looked ok to me. It suffers from too many arriving Asian flights in the morning, and dreadful queues in immigration and customs, but I assume it also has slack international periods which would negate the need for any substantial expansion. It wouldn't hurt to provide more immigration officers and customs officials when they're most needed, but you could probably say that about any large airport throughout the world.

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 11):
Maybe its time to spend some of that massive surplus on better infrastructure.

Do you mean Melbourne airport surplus or Victoria surplus? Have the plans to link the airport to the rail network re-surfaced or is that still in the 'too hard basket'?


User currently offlineWithaK From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3555 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 13):
Does anyone know when MEL will move forward with one of its planned new runways?

I think I've seen Melways (local road maps) that show proposed parallel runways at MEL. I get the feeling it is on the Governments wish list but right now it just doesn't seem necessary.

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 18):
Do you mean Melbourne airport surplus or Victoria surplus? Have the plans to link the airport to the rail network re-surfaced or is that still in the 'too hard basket'?

I think it's been put in the 'it looks too much like a train' basket. The current Victorian Government seems to be fairly anti-rail when it comes to Melbourne in general. I also doubt that any other government that could form would build a rail link to MEL. If I recall correctly (ie may not be correct) electorates where any train line would run through are marginal seats which makes any rail unlikely. Personally I would love to see a train line out to MEL.

WithaK


User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 936 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3523 times:



Quoting WithaK (Reply 19):
I think it's been put in the 'it looks too much like a train' basket. The current Victorian Government seems to be fairly anti-rail when it comes to Melbourne in general... Personally I would love to see a train line out to MEL.

The suburban rail system is under such enormous pressure at the moment from commuters (who are using public rail at rapidly increasing levels), I doubt that a rail line serving the airport is anywhere near the top of the list of priorities. Due to years of neglect (from both parties, as well as the short-sightedness of private management), the entire existing network is in dire need of huge investment to provide the ordinary needs of its citizens getting around the city to and from work. One thing the Tulla has going for it is very fine road access - the pay-road is incredibly quick and a beautiful ride to and from the airport; the "free" Western Ring Road is also very fine. I would think that once there is much more rolling stock, more investment in new signalling systems, some desperately needed double-tracking, and extensions to a few more places where workers need to travel into the city from, then maybe the airport will be looked at.


User currently offlineVHHYI From Australia, joined Oct 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3505 times:



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 18):
Do you mean Melbourne airport surplus or Victoria surplus? Have the plans to link the airport to the rail network re-surfaced or is that still in the 'too hard basket'?

The problems with airport rail links in Sydney and Brisbane have soured the drive for one.. IMO its a novelty item at the moment. In the meantime, the various airport bus transfers and taxi services do a very good job for those who won't travel and park themselves. The Age article I linked to at the bottom of this post notes the state government sanctioned bus-airport service for inner city travellers (Skybus) only carried 1.2million of the 20million Melbourne aiport passengers last year.

Unfortunately, for both sides of politics here, rail infrastructure of any kind (apart from new trains) is just not sexy, increases in oil price are starting to turn the mood around..

* Note that the current (possibly outgoing) Federal government has a policy not to fund public transport as a rule, thats why getting a road, and steady ride to an airport will always be a piece of cake.

See http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/06/03/1148956582240.html
and http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/03/10/1141701698598.html



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User currently offlineWithaK From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3490 times:



Quoting VHHYI (Reply 21):

Thanks for the links. The final statement in the age article is the clincher and backs up Antskip's point exactly.

Quote:
there are a lot of better ways of spending $500 million on railways in Melbourne than this one at the moment.

Consider me informed. Thanks

WithaK


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Here is a link to the planned T2 (International Terminal) expansion.

They JUST completed phase 1 of it last year, but this one certainly looks more impressive.

http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/t2/

With 5 more international gates they will most certainly have to enlarge the customs/immigration processing and hall.

This is one of the biggest weaknesses at the airport now.

I look forward to to the days of nonstop flights to YVR... pipe dream maybe...


User currently offlineAware From Australia, joined Sep 1999, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

The new expansion will see a net increase of three new gates. The initial stage of the expansion is the expansion of the outbound and inbound processing infrastructure. As part of this stage, gate 1 will be lost as they expand into the terminal into the concourse on that side to allow for additional processing room.

I have always found Melbourne airport straightforward and efficient: just what you want as a traveller. If I want to shop, Melbourne CBD is a much better place to spend your time.


25 YVR1968 : Except the international arrivals hall and customs/immigration. It is archaic looking and very congested. There is no mention in the expansion plan a
26 PITrules : Airliner World had a newsclip a few months ago about LTU starting a Berlin-MEL route. Anyone have anymore details?
27 PITrules : Sorry, wrong Melbourne. Airliner World didn't specify which one, I assumed it was AUS, not FL.
28 Post contains links VH-BZF : Melbourne Airport Master Plan The Melbourne Airport Master Plan is a detailed planning document outlining the operational and environmental future pl
29 PITRules : Thanks VH-BZF. The final runway buildout does not look very efficient, as each runway will cross two others. Why not stagger them so they don't inter
30 Legacyins : I experienced this personally a few weeks back. I was on QF 73 from SFO and thought everything was great until I saw the baggage area. Four flights a
31 VHECA : I welcome this thread with open arms! Sure it can fit within the Australian Aviation thread, but that thread is quite large and full of a lot of infor
32 6thfreedom : domestic perhaps, due to curfews elsewhere, but not international! There is a lot of activity around the fringes Cargolux 1pw arrives 0230, departs 0
33 VHECA : I was stuck at YMML between the hours of 1 and 6 in the morning but struggled to find something to eat other than vending machines. Like 6th Freedom s
34 YVR1968 : Looks like the first Tiger Airways flights got off the ground successfully yesterday. I think it's great that they are really focussing on Melbourne.
35 EK413 : Only difference this time is I bet any money Qantas and Virgin will join forces and push the new competiter out the back door... EK413
36 EK413 : Any masterplan images of Sydney Kingsford Smith Int Airport? There is alot of earth moving equipment around the Int. Airport and around the remote par
37 6thfreedom : And all services will remain from melbourne untila second base opens... this is the reason TT can offer low fares... no overnight crewing, anywhere..
38 YVR1968 : Melbourne is very well served by Asian carriers with most major airlines flying here. What about one of the Japanese airlines. I would say JAL would b
39 YVR1968 : Yes, but look at Westjet in Canada. They still have only one crew base (Calgary) yet they fly all over North America. Yet they still manage to keep f
40 ANstar : Virgin Atlantic also fly into Sydney
41 6thfreedom : I don't know much about westjet, but having a look at their route network, it appears that they: 1. have aircraft and crew bases in other cities; or
42 Pblaketas : So why exactly did they close the observation deck? I loved that place. In terms of food and drink, the big young guy at Hudson's Coffee opposite Gate
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