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ATA L1011 At Miramar Air Station In San Diego?  
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Posted (13 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 2585 times:

A few minutes ago (15:15 PST), I was walking outside my school in San Diego, when I suddenly saw, of all things, and American Trans Air L-1011 take off from the Miramar Marine Corps Air Station a few miles away. I was astounded. Why would an ATA jet be taking off from a military base? The flight path was not that of a regular commercial airliner if it took off from Miramar: the ATA jet ascended for a few brief moments and then took a sharp turn right and flew over the communities of La Jolla and Torrey Pines. I do not know where it went from there. BTW, this is the path that the Lockheed C-5 Galaxies take when they take off from Miramar.

So does anyone know why it was there? Is ATA doing any contract work for the Marines? Was there a diversion? I am really dying to know and would appreciate any information anyone might have. Thanks!!!!    

Aaron G.

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 2536 times:

ATA does a lot of military charters. It's a huge part of their business.


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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

a) Military charter flight.

b) Flight path is Julian-x departure. Ground track takes airplanes over Sorrento Mesa (business area), northwest of Mira Mesa, north of PQ, between CMR and RB, and over north Poway and eventually Ramona. That ground track hasn't changed much in the last 45+ years.




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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

I am guessing military charter. I would not think ATA would do something like that as they cater extensively towards the civil market, unlike World Airways, which are concentrated mainly with the military and leasing planes too. Oh well then. I was actually hoping for something more...sinister. Thanks Andy and AAR90 

AAR90: When you talk of Julian-x departure, what exactly do you mean? If I read you correctly, this is the path that the L1011 took when it left Miramar (not a hypothetical statement, I am pretty sure it did). In that case the L1011 should still be at Miramar as the amount of altitude in gained before leveling off was by no means something that would have adequately contributed towards reaching a cruising altitude of some sort. On my way to school tomorrow I should be able to see Miramar so I will check and see if the aircraft is still there.

Thanks to all again,
Aaron G.


User currently offlineScooter From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

The company I work for used to be in Sorento Mesa (we've since moved to Solana Beach), and I saw that ATA L-10 lots of times...it's quite common @ Miramar.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Wonder why I've never seen it before. Only the C-5s and Hurcules'. At least I can get the satisfaction now of knowing that a commercial jet can take off from Miramar much more quietly than its military counterpart...this plane was not that loud at all. Still, I would be happier if that jet was a British Airways 777 on its way to London from the newly opened Miramar International Airport. Oh, foolish optimism... 

Aaron G.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25346 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

The ATA L-1011 you saw was N191AT and it was ferrying up to LAX after operating a military charter.


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User currently offlinePropatriamori From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Actually ATA does a lot of military charter work, at least from my experience. When I was in the Army not too long ago, ATA ferried my unit out to Saudi Arabia for a rotation on two L-1011's and one 757. And a couple of years back when I was in Korea, ATA used to operate a 757 from Suwon AB whenever the runway at Osan AB was closed due to maintenance. I think they flew to Seattle via Anchorage. But that was a while ago.

User currently offlineChrisJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

i saw a ATA L1011 at the anchorage international terminal. it was there around midnight a few days ago. is there most likely some connection with the military or that plane that was in san diego? any idea where it probably flies to?

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

ATA does piles of military work, as does World. Over the next 2 1/2 months, the military is moving a lot of personnel around, both domestically and abroad. Expect to see ATA and World aircraft regularly at military locations, particularly over the next 2 months. (Also, you'll see Omni (DC10s), ATI (DC8 combis), North American (757 and 737), Miami Air (727s) and Southwest (which has been getting an enormous number of domestic movements in the past year, upwards of 200 missions per quarter, which averages over 2 per day, every day). Right now, World has 2 "rotator" flights: one from the US to Asia, and one from ATL-FRA. Their MD11s and DC10s pick up lots of "expansion" flying internationally for the military as well. ATA is, however, a leader in domestic and international military charter, using L1011s, L1011-500s, 727s, and, soon, 757-300s.

--Bill


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Well the ATA flight proved one thing to me: Even an old L1011 like ATA's was much quieter on take off than a comparable military aircraft. And everyone here is complaining that noise would be a problem if a civilian airport was built at NKX (Miramar).

Wjcandee: Possibility of WN @ Miramar? That would be cool.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 2370 times:

I was stationed in San Dogg and I know for a fact it was a mil. charter, Mirimar has had many.

-maiznblu_757-
http://www.us.hsanet.net/user/maiznblu_757


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

>AAR90: When you talk of Julian-x departure, what exactly do you mean?

Seawolf-x ("x" is revision number 0 to 9) is instrument and visual departure for south, west & north routes and goes over Torry Pines.

Julian-x is instrument departure for eastbound flights. Last time I flew it it read somthing like this: Fly runway heading until abeam the NKX Tacan, turn right to 360 degree heading, cross the NKX 320 degree radial at 3,000 feet, intercept the Julian VOR 242 degree radial inbound to Julian VOR, cross Julian VOR at and maintain 11,000 feet. (11,000 feet will easily clear the mountains).

Normally further climb clearance is received once clear of potential conflicts with flights inbound to NXK from W291 (descending teardrop approach in this area) and KANE MOA (16,000 feet over "Date Farm" (east of Julian).



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