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Delta's JFK - CPT Flights Now Loaded  
User currently offlineUmfolozi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

I have just checked out DL's website and notice that the Cape Town flights are now loaded. The first flight (DL128) will depart JFK on June 4th, 2008. The flight will operate 3 times a week, via Dakar and a 763ER will be used on this route.

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User currently offlineCarledwards From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

Yep, its DL128 departing 15:50, arriving 15:55, days 2, 4, 7 only, on a 763.

However says "Subject to Government approval", but it is for sale.
Cheapest fare approx 1046USD + Taxes

Interesting new route anway, congrats if they make it work! I was curious to know why Delta has such a big south african interest though? Did they cease their agreements with SA?



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User currently offlineUmfolozi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6441 times:



Quoting Carledwards (Reply 1):
Interesting new route anway, congrats if they make it work!

I'm sure the route is going to be extremely popular with our North American visitors.


User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6404 times:



Quoting Carledwards (Reply 1):
Did they cease their agreements with SA?

Indeed. When SAA joined Star, the partnership with Delta was dropped in favor of Star Alliance member United.


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6384 times:
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However, because of the DL codeshare for many years ATL-JNB, DL could start its own service to South Africa with great confidence. What will prove interesting is the crossing middle of the night connections at Dakar with eventual Nairobi flights as well.

I have no idea what the DKR airport is like, but it doesn't sound like a fun place to spend many hours if one of the flights is delayed or cancelled.


User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6379 times:



Quoting UnitedFirst (Reply 3):
Indeed. When SAA joined Star, the partnership with Delta was dropped in favor of Star Alliance member United.

SAA also dropped ATL in favor of IAD service.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6344 times:
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Quoting Umfolozi (Thread starter):
The first flight (DL128) will depart JFK on June 4th, 2008.

Actually, the inaugural from JFK will depart on Tuesday June 3, 2008, arriving CPT on June 4. The inaugural from CPT will leave on June 4 in the late afternoon/early evening.

Quoting Carledwards (Reply 1):
However says "Subject to Government approval", but it is for sale.

Yes, this is standard - it is still subject to 'foreign govt approval' (like other new destinations) but since DL did recently receive US govt approval for it (they needed to clear this with the US DOT first because the US-South Africa bilateral only allows a limited number of US frequencies hence they had not been able to load the schedules or sell the flight until recently), they are now able to offer the flight for sale, at least from the US side.


User currently offlineCarledwards From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6227 times:



Quoting UnitedFirst (Reply 3):
Indeed. When SAA joined Star, the partnership with Delta was dropped in favor of Star Alliance member United.

thanks for the reply. did I read somewhere also that United are planning flights to SA too?



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6206 times:



Quoting Carledwards (Reply 7):
did I read somewhere also that United are planning flights to SA too?

Sounds like just a rumor. UA is more focused on adding more Asia destinations with their already high-utilized widebody fleet, and they have SAA after all. Next US carrier to add SA would probably be AA with service from MIA.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 4):
However, because of the DL codeshare for many years ATL-JNB, DL could start its own service to South Africa with great confidence.

Yup, knowing the loads and yields of your codeshare partner can come in quite handy Big grin .


User currently offlineAlgoz From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6199 times:

Where is Delta getting all this metal from - their expansion in the past 12 months has been phenomenal....

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6153 times:



Quoting Algoz (Reply 9):
Where is Delta getting all this metal from - their expansion in the past 12 months has been phenomenal....

764s being pulled off domestic routes (13 out of 21 so far) and 15 ex-TW 757s coming that both replace 763s on existing routes such as JFK-SNN and open up some of the new routes like JFK-LYS. And those 763s freed up by the 757s and 764s are being used for DL's push into Africa as well as Eastern Europe and the Middle East.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6062 times:

Good move by DL.... Perhaps AA could start up a MIA-CPT/JNB route with a 777... that would be a sure money maker!!

SAA would i think still be flying the route if they didnt have to move it to ATL for DL. But now thats all over maybe we shall see SAA restart the route soon!!


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

Great news for DL and CPT.
I wish - as usual - that DL would fly to South Africa (both JNB and CPT) via REC and not DKR.
What stop en route would passengers preffer between REC and DKR?



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5919 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 11):
Good move by DL.... Perhaps AA could start up a MIA-CPT/JNB route with a 777... that would be a sure money maker!!

AA has stated, and it has been mentioned on this board on occasion, that American would rather serve JNB than CPT. Unfortunately for them, JNB is out of range, though a one stop via a West African destination (Lagos?) would be feasible.

Good luck to Delta, it is great to see them do what they are doing in Africa.


User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5773 times:

Delta needs to upgrade their fleet. The 767 international fleet is horrible. I will continue to avoid Delta as long as they fly old junkers like 767s on their routes. However, I do recommend their 777s. I have been to JNB and CPT few times in my life, and the idea of flying the great distance from NYC to South Africa in a 767 is not appealing at all. However, Delta is building out a nice international network and as a Skyteam Elite Plus member I look forward to using their flights a lot more often once they complete some type of fleet upgrade.


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5737 times:



Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 14):
The 767 international fleet is horrible. I will continue to avoid Delta as long as they fly old junkers like 767s on their routes.

How is it horrible? The only thing I can think of is a lack of PTV's. Other that, the 767 is a comfortable aircraft with only 1 middle seat, the rest being aisles or windows. Their 767's would be junk if they fell apart consistently or had crap interiors (like AA 757's), but I see no evidence to prove that.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5717 times:



Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 4):
because of the DL codeshare for many years ATL-JNB, DL could start its own service to South Africa with great confidence.

I'm not doubting you, but why exactly is that? Did DL originate a lot of traffic for SAA that didn't follow them to Star Alliance? For those in South Africa at least, I'd imagine they'd be members of the SAA FF program and thus would now be therefore be more interested in flying Star carriers.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5565 times:



Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 14):
Delta needs to upgrade their fleet. The 767 international fleet is horrible. I will continue to avoid Delta as long as they fly old junkers like 767s on their routes. However, I do recommend their 777s. I have been to JNB and CPT few times in my life, and the idea of flying the great distance from NYC to South Africa in a 767 is not appealing at all. However, Delta is building out a nice international network and as a Skyteam Elite Plus member I look forward to using their flights a lot more often once they complete some type of fleet upgrade.

Guess you've never flown a DL international 764 then huh? Delta puts a 764 on their flight to Johannesburg which is just 7 years old. The seats have brand new leather fabric, new carpet, AVOD PTV's throughout, and a chance of only one middle seat. To top it all off, Delta has free booze on it's South Africa runs. Delta hardly flies 'old junkers' on the flight to JNB. You need to look up your facts the next time you come to such conclusions to avoid looking like such a fool!


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4191 times:



Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 14):
Delta needs to upgrade their fleet. The 767 international fleet is horrible. I will continue to avoid Delta as long as they fly old junkers like 767s on their routes. However, I do recommend their 777s. I have been to JNB and CPT few times in my life, and the idea of flying the great distance from NYC to South Africa in a 767 is not appealing at all. However, Delta is building out a nice international network and as a Skyteam Elite Plus member I look forward to using their flights a lot more often once they complete some type of fleet upgrade.

ok so with the avg. plane age of around 12 thats hardly old......but hey if want to give Delta the money to by 787s (or more T7s for that matter) I'm sure they would gladly take it



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User currently offlinePfletch1228 From South Africa, joined Aug 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3842 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
Delta puts a 764 on their flight to Johannesburg which is just 7 years old

are DL flying the 764 to JNB yet? Last DL craft i saw at JNB was a 763...

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
The seats have brand new leather fabric, new carpet, AVOD PTV's throughout, and a chance of only one middle seat

Go check out the SAA offering - Flat beds in business, AVOD in C and Y, new A343 and A346 on NYC and IAD, 33in pitch throughout Y (which makes a huge difference on a 15hour - 20 hour haul)

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
Delta has free booze on it's South Africa runs

Only because SAA serves free booze on ALL its runs...

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12):
What stop en route would passengers preffer between REC and DKR?

My vote would be DKR as it would be slightly quicker. You dont get off the plane anyway.

I am glad to see DL opening these routes. SAA have had a monopoly on these routes for too long. Maybe the competition will drive prices on the direct US routes down as well - its ridiculous that its cheaper to fly to the US via Europe in most instances (especially if you need to get to the west coast). The only thing that keeps me on SAA is the legroom...



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3837 times:



Quoting Pfletch1228 (Reply 19):
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
Delta has free booze on it's South Africa runs

Only because SAA serves free booze on ALL its runs...

No, because DL serves free booze on all its trans-Atlantic and Pacific runs.


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3621 times:



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 20):
No, because DL serves free booze on all its trans-Atlantic and Pacific runs.

In C of course, but I think in Y it is only one free drink with the main meal, am I correct?

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineJasondn From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3345 times:



Quoting Pfletch1228 (Reply 19):
Go check out the SAA offering - Flat beds in business, AVOD in C and Y, new A343 and A346 on NYC and IAD, 33in pitch throughout Y (which makes a huge difference on a 15hour - 20 hour haul)

SAA is a notoriously expensive airline for long haul flights. Sure, they have great seats, but value for your money, I would rather fly another airline if budget is a concern. On long haul trips from CPT to the US, I much rather fly via LHR on BA in Club or World Traveller Plus. Delta creates another option now!


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3336 times:



Quoting Jasondn (Reply 22):
Delta creates another option now!

Though oddly Delta to Europe tends to be expensive in the C cabin (unless you catch one of the irregular sales). Normally, a European carrier is cheaper.

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineJasondn From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3304 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 23):
Though oddly Delta to Europe tends to be expensive in the C cabin (unless you catch one of the irregular sales). Normally, a European carrier is cheaper.

To be honest, I can never get my head around pricing! I do try, but it never works! I recently enquired a price from SAA in business class Johannesburg to Hong Kong and was quoted a fare of +/- ZAR 80,000 ($12,000). I flew then business class via Doha on Qatar for a little less than half of that price. It was about a month before the trip I enquired and my stay was for 6 days!


25 Davescj : I don't think anyone can. All you can do is watch what pops up. With expertflyer, or simlar, at least you can watch the fare buckets and have some ho
26 AirTranTUS : Yes, you are correct, but DL does not serve free alcohol because SA does.
27 Post contains images Pfletch1228 : OK, I stand corrected then When DL first started flying to JNB, they charged for booze. When I queried why they had subsequently made it free, the DL
28 Viscount724 : However 6-abreast (2-2-2) in business class on international 767s isn't very good. Carriers with 5-abreast (2-1-2 or 2-2-1) like CO/AZ and a few othe
29 Evan767 : Correct, however South Africa is an exception. You get as much alcohol as you can handle on the ATL-JNB run. Guess you haven't been to JNB lately...
30 Post contains images Pfletch1228 : Oh. I was told pitch on the 764 was between 31 and 33 inches, with the bulk of the seats being at 31 inches. All the SAA seats are at 33 inch pitch.
31 Evan767 : No, I am not aware which rows are 33". Its allright, sorry for being defensive. I've flown SAA from JNB-CPT-JNB and thought they were an amazing airl
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