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ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?  
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

I was wondering if it was true that ANC is (or is planning/wishing to be) U.S.A. only airport to allow TWOV these days.
Anybody has more info about this?


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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3624 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Thread starter):
I was wondering if it was true that ANC is (or is planning/wishing to be) U.S.A. only airport to allow TWOV these days.
Anybody has more info about this?

What is TWOV?


User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3625 times:



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
What is TWOV?


I was wondering the same thing.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8875 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Transit Without Visa?


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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

TWOV = Transit With Out Visa

Arrive on an Int'l flight to ANC and depart on another Int'l flight from ANC without holding a Visa for the US


User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

I believe that's hardly true.. Please provide references to what you're saying.

At least in ANC's north terminal, whenever there is a flight coming in from Asia, they close off part of the hallways in the upper deck in order to redirect the incoming passengers towards the customs area. Once everyone is through, they reopen the hallways and use all the gates for domestic flights. If they want to allow in-transit international passengers without having a US Visa, they would have to build an special secure area or in-transit lounge with some minimum amenities. I believe such idea wouldn't make much economic sense for ANC or the city.

Please provide references or avoid making speculative comments.



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User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Ok, I think you are confusing the program I will post below with TWOV -- I think they are two separate programs. Alas, the program linked below is the only such one in the United States and took quite a bit of work to get in place.

http://ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?s=6069300

Quoting Hagic (Reply 5):
I believe that's hardly true.. Please provide references to what you're saying.

The orignal poster clearly was asking a question and not stating it as solid fact. No need to jump on him for asking "if something is true" or asking for further information.

Ryan



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3372 times:



Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 6):
Ok, I think you are confusing the program I will post below with TWOV -- I think they are two separate programs. Alas, the program linked below is the only such one in the United States and took quite a bit of work to get in place.

http://ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?s=6...69300

That's exactly what I was looking to confirm.
This means that any Asian airline wishing to fly to Latinamerica could stop in ANC and the passengers won't need U.S. visas just to transit in the same aircraft thru a U.S. Airport.
Doubt a Latinamerican airline would fly to Asia via ANC soon, but at least those athletes flying charters to Beijin Olympics 2008 won't be needing visas if they stop in ANC.



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User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3273 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
That's exactly what I was looking to confirm.
This means that any Asian airline wishing to fly to Latinamerica could stop in ANC and the passengers won't need U.S. visas just to transit in the same aircraft thru a U.S. Airport.
Doubt a Latinamerican airline would fly to Asia via ANC soon, but at least those athletes flying charters to Beijin Olympics 2008 won't be needing visas if they stop in ANC.

Keep in mind, all that is allowed is if a flight in your example was going from Asia to Latin America....The passengers could deplane while the aircraft is serviced. They could enjoy the shops and dining in the airport. They wouldn't be connecting to other flights, or leaving the secured area. This is simply and exemption to allow them to just not have to be stuck on board, as was previously the case..

Ryan



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

I work at ANC and can confirm the details of this program, although I have never heard it referred to by TWOV.
But yeah- up until last year, apparently all the Cathay Pacific pax had to sit onboard those A340s (which is torture in the first place, but I digress) during the refuel process. Which necessitates emergency vehicles be present in case of a fueling mishap...
But yeah, now they are allowed off the plane.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8643 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3143 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
But yeah- up until last year, apparently all the Cathay Pacific pax had to sit onboard those A340s (which is torture in the first place, but I digress) during the refuel process. Which necessitates emergency vehicles be present in case of a fueling mishap...
But yeah, now they are allowed off the plane.

Only one way, to YTO, not allowed off on the way to HKG. They seem to change their mind there almost yearly, use to be the other way around.

Fire trucks are still present on the return leg for the refuel.



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User currently offlineTwolz2rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

What airlines currently use ANC for tech-stops?

During it's peak, how many different airlines used to make the tech-stops in ANC on their way across the pacific?


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3064 times:



Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 11):
During it's peak, how many different airlines used to make the tech-stops in ANC on their way across the pacific?

In the early 80s, LH, SwissAir, BA, AF, KL, Sabena, SK, JL, KL, and CI all made at least a tech stop, if not having full traffic rights. I loved going out there in the late afternoon and seeing them all bunched up around the N Terminal. At the time, they were the only ones that used it, everyone else was in the S Terminal. The most common visitor was JL, always at least two daily, but I remember days when there would be four on the ground at the same time.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 3033 times:

Same here in GUM with PAL refuel PAX have to stay on and refuel with firetucks standing by...but all pax are from USA ,LAX/SFO so dont know if they have to do it that way????? I think they want the pax to nap so they can get on to MNL ASAP

User currently offlineTwolz2rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

What airlines currently use ANC for tech-stops?

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2927 times:



Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 14):
What airlines currently use ANC for tech-stops?

Tons of cargo carriers, plus passenger carriers like CX, KE and CI



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User currently offlineYHZ From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

You can transit the US in many airports (Asia to DTW, ORD DFW SFO LAX NYC etc) to Canada or Mexico or South America. In these cases, an airline employee usually walks the passenger(s) to their next gate to ensure they continue out of the US.

User currently offlineMQTmxguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Related question: So what if I want to fly to CDG (for example) from the U.S. via BA? Do I have to clear UK customs before continuing to CDG? Or can all PAX with intl origins and destinations connect through LHR? Or is it just Visa Waiver Program countries? Why is it such a big deal for people just to get off the plane for an hour (in the int'l terminal?) And why couldn't they connect int'l to int'l at ANC?

I'm just a little confused because I know people connect through places like LHR and FRA all the time without "entering" the hub country. Is it just a U.S. thing that people couldn't for instance fly AA NRT-ORD-LHR (not that you'd want to take the long way around) without clearing U.S. customs?



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4494 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2557 times:
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Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 17):
Is it just a U.S. thing that people couldn't for instance fly AA NRT-ORD-LHR (not that you'd want to take the long way around) without clearing U.S. customs?

yes because 1. Homeland Security are paranoid about foreigners, 2. US airports are too cheap to invest in the necessary infrastructure in buildings to segregate screened passengers


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2377 times:



Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 17):
I'm just a little confused because I know people connect through places like LHR and FRA all the time without "entering" the hub country.

If you connect at LHR to any other international destinations you don't have to clear customs/immigration at LHR. You just clear security before proceeding to the connecting terminal/gate. If the UK was part of the Schengen agreement then you would have to clear immigration at LHR if you were connecting to another Schengen country since it would be your first point of arrival in the Schengen area which for practical purposes is treated like one country for immigration/border control purposes, i.e. you only clear border controls at your first point of entry and last point of departure from any of the 15 Schengen countries (currently Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden). More countries (e.g.Switzerland) are due to join the Schengen agreement within the next year or two.

If you were connecting at FRA/CDG/AMS which are Schengen countries, then you clear immigration there if you are connecting to another Schengen destination, but not if you're connecting to a non-Schengen point.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2335 times:



Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 17):
Is it just a U.S. thing that people couldn't for instance fly AA NRT-ORD-LHR (not that you'd want to take the long way around) without clearing U.S. customs?

I believe that you can still transit LAX on Air NZ's NZ1/NZ2 en route AKL-LAX-LHR and v/v without formally "entering" the USA, but that there are more restrictions than there used to be. Anyone been on that flight recently?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2202 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 20):

I believe that you can still transit LAX on Air NZ's NZ1/NZ2 en route AKL-LAX-LHR and v/v without formally "entering" the USA, but that there are more restrictions than there used to be.

I think the reason for this is that there is a rudimentary transit lounge set up in T2. From what I hear, it isn't much of a place.



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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2113 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 20):
I believe that you can still transit LAX on Air NZ's NZ1/NZ2 en route AKL-LAX-LHR and v/v without formally "entering" the USA, but that there are more restrictions than there used to be. Anyone been on that flight recently?

Not according to my travel agent.. was planning my trip back to the UK next year, my wife who holds a Philippines passport was told she would require a transit visa if we went CHC-AKL-LAX-LHR-EDI. As a result SQ wins our custom yet again CHC-SIN-LHR-EDI it is.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8741 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2071 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
I think the reason for this is that there is a rudimentary transit lounge set up in T2. From what I hear, it isn't much of a place.

congratulations on that overstatement you made here. It's a disgrace for the USA, actually. Not sure if that is still in use, but transitting through this place was really no fun. When I did that, I actually had a Visa (that was before the waiver prgram) but there was no proivision for passengers with Visa entering.

I transitted through ANC several times when flights had to stop there on the way Europe to Asia and vv. That was more pleasant. they had a huge Polar Baer in the lounge and duty free shops.

Except that the US wants to know who is on a flight crossing their airspace, (which is OK, especially after 9/11)., I do not see a requirement for transit Visa. Especially in the old days, when flights made more stops, I have been through numerous countries where one could go into the transit lounge. Only a few, like Saudi Arabia or Syria required people to stay in board.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

What are the services in ANC inside the secure area? I was told there was just a coffee stand, washrooms and lounge seating. The source is a little dubious so I would be interested in confirmation. Even if it is a secure area, there are a lot of people who still do not want to transit the U.S. in any way. AC is picking up incremental business this way. This business would be lost though if the threat to have any overflights of US airspace register all their passengers with Homeland Security.

25 MQTmxguy : I don't see that happening though. The U.S. and Canada enjoy too may mutual liberties with each other (i.e. pre-flight customs, driving privileges, o
26 LHR777 : I recall that you used to be able to TWOV via MIA too. I've done it several times, routing LHR-MIA and onward to GYE, UIO, BOG, MDE, BAQ, CCS, CLO, EZ
27 Post contains links Sokol : China Airlines from TPE-ANC-JFK and back JFK-ANC-TPE. China Airlines passengers they go out the plane every time, during 2 hours in Anchorage they can
28 PHLwok : At least for parts of South America, it might make some sense geographically for HNL to have this exemption as well.
29 EWRCabincrew : There is a big difference in allowing passengers to transit the US from one int'l flight to another without a visa and a place to hold passengers whil
30 Ned Kelly : Not necessarily, this would be a Direct Airside Transit (DAT), which is different from In Transit (IT). Some countries may not require visa's for pas
31 Viscount724 : Not sure what you mean by "open borders" but since January this year airline passengers between Canada and USA have required a passport, and I believ
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