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User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

Everyone else is starting their own thread and it's time the Blue Grass had one to call it's own. Break out your sweet or bourbon and lets talk a while.

Possible Discussions:
UPS future fleet and affect on SDF
Future of Delta, CVG, and other airlines at CVG
Blue Grass Airport-Pre and Post Comair
The airport built by the rich man just south of Lexington so he could get to his cancer treatments faster.
EKU Aviation Program
UK Aviation. Now if I get any Brits chiming in on this one I'll have their post deleted. Everybody knows what UK I'm talking about.

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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3074 times:



Quoting KevinSmith (Thread starter):
Blue Grass Airport-Pre and Post Comair
The airport built by the rich man just south of Lexington so he could get to his cancer treatments faster.

You know, I lived in Lexington for a few years, worked heavily in the media there the whole time, and I don't recall what airport you are talking about south of town? Enlighten me here.

As for KLEX, I would love to see an AirTran or WN come into there. But I don't think the market is big enough and with SDF and CVG so close, it would be a hard sell possibly. I could see AirTran making a decent go of it with flights to Florida and ATL of course sometime in the future. WN is still a good distance away from that market though.

I am still surprised Allegiant or Skybus hasn't set up shop there. LEX has a decent crowd and there is a fairly ripe business market there in the city.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineB727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

I travel to KY, fly mainly into LEX and sometimes SDF, a few times a year. I flew to LEX on CO just 2 weeks ago. I was surprised to sit in a Dash 8 instead of the the usual ERJ (connecting via CLE). I thought the airport was growing! Is DL the dominant career @ LEX?

User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3021 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
You know, I lived in Lexington for a few years, worked heavily in the media there the whole time, and I don't recall what airport you are talking about south of town? Enlighten me here.

It was a couple of years ago I was flying in CAP flight. We were flying just of Lexington down Nicholasville Rd. We came across an airfield with a decent sized concrete runway. The CAP pilot told me that it is a private airport built by a guy who had/has cancer. He had his own Challenger, IIRC, and he felt that the drive to LEX and associated time lost was too much. I remember thinking it made sense because I was driving down Nicholasvile Rd or some other road that runs south of Lexington and I saw an aircraft hangar and a Challenger jet no too far from the side of the road.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
AirTran

Certainly!!! I would like that. I could get decent tickets to go watch the Cats and make a stop at Pazzo's too.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
Allegiant

I'm sure their is a descent Orlando market their. Allegiant is doing OK at HTS so I certainly think they would work well in LEX. Lots of rich doctors horse folk. I think the biggest draw back people have to Allegiant is the Sanford operation and not MCO.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
Skybus

I wonder of that is because Columbus is "close".

Lexy where in the media land did you work there?

Quoting B727fan (Reply 2):

The last time I flew commercial was CO EWR-LEX on a ERJ. I think they had to use a ERJ due to range concerns as opposed to a Dash-8. I've only flown Delta out Lexington once and it wasn't even Delta proper, it was Comair to CVG. Last time I was there I did notice a lot of DL activity for sure.

Actually I remember after we landed on that same CAP flight a DL 752 came in to pick up the Auburn football team. Auburn also had to two Citations there with AU painted on the tail.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3000 times:



Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 3):
Lexy where in the media land did you work there?

Well, I worked for Cumulus Radio inside the Central Bank Tower downtown. Specifically, I worked for 590 WVLK along with (what used to be) Arrow 101.5, WVLK-FM, and Z-ROCK 103. I even did some work on (what used to be) US 102.

At 590 WVLK, I worked with the Kruser and Crew Show in the afternoons and produced Sue Wylie and other shows in the morning.

It was fun!!!


Delta is the main carrier at LEX with the only mainline flight into that airport. Having a metro of over 500,000 and a decent O&D, you would think there would be more to offer than just your standard hub flights. But there isn't. Still, that airport handles over 1,000,000 a year and that's not to bad considering SDF and CVG being so close. People are so used to paying out the butt at LEX that if a LCC came in, they would be a smash hit from the get-go with the right flights! Lexington, the city and metro, has ALOT and I mean ALOT of money! One of the wealthiest metros in the country.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting Lexy (Reply 4):
Lexington, the city and metro, has ALOT and I mean ALOT of money!

Oh yes it does!!!! The area out but Southland Church and the Hamburg area is teaming with rich folk.


Thanks for the media info. I was a telecomm major so I had some dealing with the local media as part of class work.
Quoting Lexy (Reply 4):
People are so used to paying out the butt at LEX that if a LCC came in, they would be a smash hit from the get-go with the right flights!

I agree completely.

I did snag one heck of deal my senior at UK. $450 round trip to LHR over spring break.


What do you think the chances of UPS reconsidering their A380 decision?

[Edited 2007-11-18 12:23:05]

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2960 times:



Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 5):
$450 round trip to LHR over spring break.

Dude, that's a steal!

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 5):
What do you think the chances of UPS reconsidering their A380 decision?

Oh I think they will. They had a major hand in the development of it,so I don't see why at some point they don't order it outright.

I would love to see LEX extend its main runway along with extending the GA runway to around 8,000ft. That will keep the Compair accident from happening again. Extension of the main runway will enable the airport to operate west coast flights more easily and allow larger aircraft to operate from there with more ease. It already accomodates the occasional 757, 767, UAE 747's, and A300's but it needs to be longer and the airport authority knows that. Too bad the NIMBY's next to them don't understand it. Pursuit of an LCC should be tops for them though along with upgrades on some flights. For a city it's size, it should have more in the way of service and equipment offereings.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineWindstepper From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2947 times:



Quoting KevinSmith (Thread starter):
Everyone else is starting their own thread and it's time the Blue Grass had one to call it's own. Break out your sweet or bourbon and lets talk a while.

Possible Discussions:
UPS future fleet and affect on SDF
Future of Delta, CVG, and other airlines at CVG
Blue Grass Airport-Pre and Post Comair
The airport built by the rich man just south of Lexington so he could get to his cancer treatments faster.
EKU Aviation Program

ooohh. You forgot one of my favorites.

Will BWG ever have commecial service again???


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2944 times:



Quoting Windstepper (Reply 7):
Will BWG ever have commecial service again???

No. BNA is too close. And because of that, it would be VERY expensive to fly into and out of BWG.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineWindstepper From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2942 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 8):
No. BNA is too close. And because of that, it would be VERY expensive to fly into and out of BWG

I agree. That is why I am still amazed at the number of people I know who live in BG think that Comair or someone like
that is "coming soon".


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2923 times:



Quoting KevinSmith (Thread starter):
Everyone else is starting their own thread and it's time the Blue Grass had one to call it's own.

Yes, I agree with you, although w/ the exception of DL @ CVG and UPS @ SDF, there isn't a whole lot to talk about from an aviation standpoint. But I'm so glad someone finally started a Kentucky Aviation Thread! Big grin

Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
As for KLEX, I would love to see an AirTran or WN come into there. But I don't think the market is big enough and with SDF and CVG so close

Referring to FL, I don't think the O&D at LEX could support that many daily flights to ATL; they could possibly make MCO or another major Florida destination work, but it would also be basically competing against DL and ATL.

Regarding SDF, I don't think it could support FL entering the market, as they'd be competing against WN on Florida flights (they fly 2X daily to both TPA and MCO from Louisville), as well as the legacies. And like the LEX-ATL market, I don't think they'd be able to compete with DL, as DL has 7X daily flights between SDF and ATL, with 4 of them being mainline (one of them alternates between a MD-88 and 738, depending on the time of year). The other market FL would try would be SDF-MDW, which is obviously locked up by WN (and UA/AA to some extent).
In terms of B6 at SDF, I don't think that will happy anytime soon either (probably not ever unless they start a "midwest hub," which I don't see happening); the SDF-NYC market is well-covered w/ by 3X nonstop SDF-EWR on CO Express, 2X daily nonstop on US Express, and 2X daily nonstop on American Eagle. IAD-SDF might make sense, as there are only 2 daily flights to the DC area (2X daily DCA-SDF, US Express); however, I could see UA Express entering that market before B6.
By the way, F9 seems to be doing very well on their newish DEN-SDF flight (started in April), which has been upgraded to mainline (now a daily A318 and A319, from 2X E-170's on Republic).

The only real news at SDF on the UPS front is that 2 of their new 744's are in service (one entered in July, the other in September). I don't know when the remaining six will be delivered. I do know that the awesome sound of JT9D's at takeoff power will be missed (at least from aviation enthusiasts, definitely not from residents that live under the flight pattern - those things are loud), as UPS is gradually going to retire their 747 classics over the course of next year. They will all be gone by Januarly 2, 2009.


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

In my previous post I forgot to discuss our beloved Blue Grass State's largest airport, the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.  Wow!
I know some people think it is more of an "Ohio airport" since most of the population it serves is from Cincinnati rather than the surrounding northern Kentucky suburbs (although some people do drive up there from Louisville and Lexington for flights, even though its generally cheaper to fly out of SDF).

There really isn't much news on the CVG front, with the exception that the seasonal, summer-only CVG-AMS flights will go from a 3X weekly 767-300ER to a 1X daily 757. It will also probably go year-round. No, DL is NOT putting 757's on the transatlantic CVG flights (well, CDG and definitely FCO are too long anyways), they're just "right-sizing" the CVG-AMS flight. At least on here, I've heard that (w/ the exception of AMS) CVG's transatlantic routes are good performers in terms of profitability.


User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2918 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 10):

Referring to FL, I don't think the O&D at LEX could support that many daily flights to ATL;

True a flight that terminated in ATL wouldn't get that much support. However ATL is FL hub, I'd imagine the money would be made with the connecting flights.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

It should be noted that OWB will start up their n/s to CVG here fairly soon for DL Connection. My condolences to the people that will be raped by the price gouging of that flight and subsequent connections at CVG. YUCK!

In any regards, it is service to OWB that is not there since Regions Air was shut down. Hard to believe that airport at one time served over three different scheduled passenger carriers AT ONCE! Now it does good to have just one subsidized by the government. What a shame. Owensboro is a nice town.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 610 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2893 times:



Quoting B727fan (Reply 2):
I flew to LEX on CO just 2 weeks ago. I was surprised to sit in a Dash 8 instead of the the usual ERJ (connecting via CLE).

Even the service out of IND to CLE dropped to a Dash 8. I don't think it is the fact that LEX isn't growing, it's that CLE is shrinking.



Boiler up! - Next flights: IND-DFW-AUS, AUS-DFW-IND
User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2869 times:



Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 12):
Even the service out of IND to CLE dropped to a Dash 8. I don't think it is the fact that LEX isn't growing, it's that CLE is shrinking.

FYI: CLE is right sizing before a major CO expansion.


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2867 times:



Quoting B727fan (Reply 2):
I was surprised to sit in a Dash 8 instead of the the usual ERJ (connecting via CLE). I thought the airport was growing! Is DL the dominant career @ LEX?



Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 14):
Even the service out of IND to CLE dropped to a Dash 8. I don't think it is the fact that LEX isn't growing, it's that CLE is shrinking.

Actually, I wouldn't consider the move from an ERJ to a Dash 8 a drop in this case, as the CO Express Dash 8's (operated by Commutair) are the new Q400's, which seat about 70. I know that some passengers have a certain dislike for flying on planes with the "spinny thingies" on the wings, but consider this an upgrade; the Q400 is a larger and nicer airplane than the ERJ. Now the Saab 340's NW Airlink (Mesaba) uses out of LEX to MEM are a different story...  Wink And while its an interesting flying experience, the B1900's that Midwest Express used to fly on SDF-MKE also contribute to the reason many passengers don't like planes that have the "spinny thingies" on the wings.  Smile


User currently offlineATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 610 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2851 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 16):
Actually, I wouldn't consider the move from an ERJ to a Dash 8 a drop in this case, as the CO Express Dash 8's (operated by Commutair) are the new Q400's, which seat about 70.

Are they Q400's now? This summer they were definitely -200's. Oh, by the way don't get me wrong, the Q400 is an amazing plane, I was comparing a -200 to an ERJ in reply 14.



Boiler up! - Next flights: IND-DFW-AUS, AUS-DFW-IND
User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Thread starter):
UK Aviation

I'm a Brit in Lexington however I won't give you a roasting but - UK Aviation? What Aviation? Apart from the hospital's Bell helicopter. Enlighten me please!

Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
You know, I lived in Lexington for a few years, worked heavily in the media there the whole time, and I don't recall what airport you are talking about south of town? Enlighten me here

He is talking about RJ Corman's airfield. (http://www.rjcorman.com/aviation.htm)

Photos on the website


Here is a photo of the Challenger in Switzerland

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Rolf Wallner



And the Lear:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Bill Shull



Other news is that a new FBO is currently being built at the airfield which will compete with TacAir.

Also, why was the US flag removed from the hanger next to the Emergency services station?? It was really useful when guaging the wind direction while taxying from the general aviation ramp. It wasn't even a high flag pole so that aspect was a non-factor.

The queen also came in 2007

[Edited 2007-11-18 19:14:04]

User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2845 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 11):
our beloved Blue Grass State's largest airport, the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport

With the highest average ticket costs in the US is it really beloved?

I avoid it like the plague.


User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2836 times:



Quoting Gh123 (Reply 18):
UK Aviation? What Aviation? Apart from the hospital's Bell helicopter. Enlighten me please!

Errrrgh. Those things used to wake me up when I was a student living on Leader Ave.

As far as UKs aviation I meant more on what they are using to go to games. I remember them using a 737 to go basketball games. I also remember them using a private jet. I never learned anything more. I was hoping someone would know if they own their own.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

They may own a SkyKing or two, but outside of that I doubt the University owns anything. As much as I HATE UT (University of Tennessee), they have 2 SkyKings that show up here in Nashville frequently.

That RJ Corman jet is nice. Would love to get a pic of that one myself! Corman has a big presence in south western Kentucky around Russellville with the massive Logan Aluminum factory there.

Is it Signature Flight that is moving to LEX?



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2814 times:



Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 14):

Even the service out of IND to CLE dropped to a Dash 8. I don't think it is the fact that LEX isn't growing, it's that CLE is shrinking.

It's a CASM issue. CO got out of the business of flying RJ's with their high fuel burns on such short routes. It's making CO a more efficient airline.

Quoting 747fan (Reply 16):
as the CO Express Dash 8's (operated by Commutair) are the new Q400's, which seat about 70.

The CO Express Dash 8's at CLE are Q200's, but you are correct that they are Commutair's new (used) babies.

There are factory new Q400's on order, to operate out of EWR, operated by Colgan. I wouldn't expect to see them in LEX/SDF though based on range.


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2759 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 11):
In my previous post I forgot to discuss our beloved Blue Grass State's largest airport



Quoting Gh123 (Reply 19):
With the highest average ticket costs in the US is it really beloved?
I avoid it like the plague.

No, I meant that the state was beloved, not the airport.  wink 
But despite the fact that I feel Cincinnati residents are gouged by this airport (or should I say DL), it is a very nice airport to travel through. It has among the best on-time performance of any hub, isn't too big (unlike ATL or ORD), and is overall a great airport to connect at. Concourse B is one of the nicer airport concourses I've been through in the U.S. and is probably the best concourse in DL's hub network. Really, CVG as a whole (DL's T3, at least) is probably DL's nicest hub; although I can't speak for SLC, as I've never been there.


User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2755 times:



Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 20):
As far as UKs aviation I meant more on what they are using to go to games. I remember them using a 737 to go basketball games. I also remember them using a private jet. I never learned anything more. I was hoping someone would know if they own their own.

Not sure what they use but I did see Tubby Smith get into a Citation Excell back in (around) April.


25 KevinSmith : Is the ANG unit at SDF deployed right now?
26 Iflyatldl : Who is flying mainline into SDF besides DL, F9 and WN these days? Any AA or UA metal?
27 747fan : NW flies DC-9's to MSP & DTW, and AA flies MD-80's to DFW. Back in the '90's, all the legacy carriers had mainline flights into SDF. I don't know, so
28 Lexy : I'm an idiot. I meant King Air, not "Sky King"! LOL!! I must have been thinking about something totally out in left field.
29 KevinSmith : Easy mistake to make. The true last time I did any flying in KY was in August. I did a touch and go at Ashland Regional on my way to Tri-State from A
30 KevinSmith : Does anyone know about the aviation programs at EKU? I know you can get several type ratings and such. Do they offer an A&P course or would that kind
31 Flymatt2bermud : I read your earlier post and I was thinking. I didn't know UT had any Cessna 320's or was that the skynight. The State of Kentucky used to own a F27
32 Md11sdf : Recently, when President Bush came to the Louisville area (New Albany IN) to speak, the press charter was a JET BLUE A320. I was stunned to read that
33 Lexy : I may make the drive up from here at BNA to get some of that. We should meet up if that's the case. You could show me some of the "spots" around the
34 Post contains images 747fan : It is indeed a NWA DC-9 city, and has been for many, many years, but I wouldn't exactly consider it a stronghold. But its sure great hearing the dist
35 KevinSmith : A yes, the flying pencils with wings. It's a shame that those things are gone. I enjoyed flying in them, well when they worked. Wasn't MX woes one of
36 Post contains images 747fan : From what I've heard on this forum, DC-8 will start retiring those within the next few years. After that (probably about 4 or 5 years), no more regul
37 Md11sdf : As if on "Q", Monday afternoon around 2:00PM, a POLET FLIGHT Antonov 124 flew right past me. Our warehouse is located on Grade Lane about 1/2 mile sou
38 Post contains links and images 747fan : Interesting. And I was in that part of town at around 1:30-1:45PM - I just missed it! I don't see it on the scheduled departures list on flightaware,
39 KYAir : Ashland is becoming a nicer town from the ground, too! I live in Russell, which is between Ashland and Ashland Regional - in fact, my house is under
40 Post contains links 747fan : It departed SDF for Yuma, Arizona (YUM) at 10:36 this morning (12/4). Here's the flightaware link: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/POT449
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