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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5486 posts, RR: 13
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Time for another

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rant! I'm up to category 4 on my  mad  scale of pissed off!


If this has been covered forgive me; I’m not good with A-Net forum searches. Uncle Sam is making a big deal with their dog and pony show regarding helping the flying public with air travel. So, they’re opening up special express lanes along the East Coast. Fine and dandy but, while our government giveth they taketh at the same time. Since Oct. 1 of this year, the TSA has made the background checks of new airport hires a Broadway production. It used to be, a person could start their airline, airport job while the TSA conducts their background checks but now, new hires have to wait and wait!. We are feeling the adverse affects. New airline, support staff like skycaps and vendors all are getting royally screwed. Because this, we all are shorter staffed and this is causing glitches at the airport. We have to wait longer for our new hires to start and here we are coming into the badass holiday travel season! What’s wrong with this picture? For example, our skycap company literally has their balls tied. New hires are not able to get their badges and therefore can’t assist with the increasing number of handicapped passengers that fly this time of year. Our current sky caps are being worked like coolies and having to wheel two wheelchairs at once. Wait times for disabled passengers are doubled! And of course these passengers are screaming and cussing us all out. I’m linking two articles about this. Some paper pushing drone is giving the spin and excuses that their new system has bugs. Then for Christ’s sake either get it right the first time or, rescind the new requirements until you get your act together. Sadly the traveling public gets the royal shaft along with us the airlines.
So, for those of you that want to flame me, go ahead turkey taste great well done. We are all the turkeys for putting up with this tom foolery!


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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

I feel bad for you Sky Caps.


If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3402 times:



Quoting Zippyjet (Thread starter):
I’m linking two articles about this.

It appears in your anger you forgot them.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3398 times:



Quoting Zippyjet (Thread starter):
Since Oct. 1 of this year, the TSA has made the background checks of new airport hires a Broadway production. It used to be, a person could start their airline, airport job while the TSA conducts their background checks but now, new hires have to wait and wait!.

So the TSA finally corrects a flawed policy, and it's a bad thing?

Allowing people to work before the background check sort of defeats the purpose of the background check. It's stupidity to the extreme.

But I feel your pain about how long you have to wait to get results. This is why I laugh when I hear people push for government run healthcare in the USA. Surest way to increase costs, increase delays, and decrease quality...  Wink



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5486 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3338 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 1):
I feel bad for you Sky Caps.

I'm not a skycap, I'm an airline CSA (Gate Agent)

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
It appears in your anger you forgot them.

Oops, Sorry the moment you've been waiting for:
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2006-02-09-tsa-secure-flight_x.htm

The other article is basically the same from a Seattle paper. This USA Today piece covers it.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
So the TSA finally corrects a flawed policy, and it's a bad thing?

Allowing people to work before the background check sort of defeats the purpose of the background check. It's stupidity to the extreme.

At least with the airlines FL during our training at company headquarters, at the beginning of our two week training class we:

  • Took pee/drug test
  • Complete application reviewed, all references and ten year job history
  • Fingerprinted---sent to FBI I believe
  • Complete criminal background check.

And this was March 2002! Some class members got a one way flight home because, something wasn't kosher in their background checks, drug tests. And for those of us hired, TSA followed up with complete background check. By that time most if not all the bad apples were weeded out. And, knock on wood I can't recall any major security breach/events caused by an airport, airport support or airline employee. BTW, not going off course many in our government including Bush want open borders and the creation of the North American Union One world government new world order is your flight's final destination!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/

True, the additional security measure is a good idea and I do give some credit for it's starting during our slower travel peiod October. But here we are flying into the Holiday Season busy travel and Uncle Sam again put the cart before the mule.



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User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3215 times:



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 4):
Took pee/drug test

Complete application reviewed, all references and ten year job history

Fingerprinted---sent to FBI I believe

Complete criminal background check.

That's the way it was for me in STL in 2002. Earlier this year at DFW I got my fingerprint results and was badged within 3 days. Just a few months ago we hired 2 new guys with ramp access and had to wait OVER A MONTH for badges, as did other companies here. New security measures are fine, but delays this long are detrimental to everyone and I agree with the original post. Yet another mis-handled situation by the government regarding security.



I didn't get a 'Harumph' outta that guy!
User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2955 times:



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 4):
'm not a skycap, I'm an airline CSA (Gate Agent)

Ooooo, gotcha. But i still feel bad for sky caps. Where you work at?



If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineIad51fl From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

Ya... that sneaky travel season...it keeps changing. Can never prepare for it until it gets here.  Yeah sure

I have an idea... hire early, dont wait till November 1st to start looking for people. The new TSA procedure has been around for at least a month and a half maybe 2. Was it really a shock that it takes TSA 72 hrs + to do this?

Chris



Enjoying the view of KIAH approach end of 27. 29.9758015, -95.2695694
User currently offlineUnknownUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2874 times:



Quoting Zippyjet (Thread starter):
could start their airline, airport job while the TSA conducts their background checks but now, new hires have to wait and wait

Uhhh, last year when i started I had to wait for TSA to clear me. It took almost a week. This is nothing new.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 4):
Bush want open borders and the creation of the North American Union One world government new world order is your flight's final destination!

Ok, you're anti-bush. I get it. It's pathetic you drug bush into this....


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

here it takes about 6 weeks for the background check, but in meantime the new hires are given temporary passes, which allows them to work while being supervised by an escort with a permanent badge. So I just team an old hand with a new hire during this period and they can at least help a bit while their background check is being processed.

The stupid thing in Germany is that we have a law since about two years which centralises all the application process (a federal central databank, into which all the background check results get stored, which is accessible for all airport companies and state police departments), but the the individual states still insist on their own background check. E.g. I work in HHN, which is operated by the same airport company as FRA. To get a badge for FRA, where I'm occasionally sent, I had to undergo a new background check, because the state of Hessen, where FRA is sited, won't accept the background check done by the authorities of Rheinland-Pfalz, where HHN is located. It is all a matter of money, since the employer has to pay for each and every background check.

Jan


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

You think TSA is bad, try getting a U.S Customs sticker to handle bags/planes that originate out of the US or are going out of the US. Here in MKE it can take over 2 months to get a sticker for new hires.

User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5486 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2355 times:



Quoting UnknownUser (Reply 8):
Ok, you're anti-bush. I get it. It's pathetic you drug bush into this....

If I or anyone said I was a Bush fan I'd be lying like a hooker performing her job duties!

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 10):
You think TSA is bad, try getting a U.S Customs sticker to handle bags/planes that originate out of the US or are going out of the US. Here in MKE it can take over 2 months to get a sticker for new hires.

Whether Democrat or Republican our government has grown to the point where many facets of their operating policies and practices are costly and counter productive toward common sense, safety and decency. BTW, I think opening those express lanes is an excellent start and should contribute toward a smoother Thanksgiving holiday period.



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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2345 times:



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 11):
Whether Democrat or Republican our government has grown to the point where many facets of their operating policies and practices are costly and counter productive toward common sense, safety and decency.

Since I started with my company I have gone through 5 background checks, i'm sure they covered all the same items, so why can't the government use 1 standardized background check. It would only save them millions each year.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5486 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2240 times:



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 12):
Since I started with my company I have gone through 5 background checks, i'm sure they covered all the same items, so why can't the government use 1 standardized background check. It would only save them millions each year.

I'm convinced it's a safety net for built in job security for these agencie's employees.



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Here in the UK, (at a BAA airport) you get a temporary escorted ID, if you work in the airside retail (and hence don't require ramp/jetty access). You will always get a thorough body and bag search with a temporary ID.

If you work for an airline, for example, as a CSA, you get a company ID, which allows land-side access only. You do not get airside access until your security checks are completed and verified. Seems to make sense to me, anything else would defeat the point of the criminal record check and security verification.

I applaud the TSA for finally taking employee airside-access security checks seriously.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1952 times:



Quoting UnknownUser (Reply 8):
Ok, you're anti-bush. I get it. It's pathetic you drug bush into this....

= Just to lighten things up ... this made me laugh. He drugged Bush into this. LOL. Ok, am I losing it if I think its funny?

Cheers,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1825 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 15):
= Just to lighten things up ... this made me laugh. He drugged Bush into this. LOL. Ok, am I losing it if I think its funny?

I thought it amusing too. 'Drug', to 'drag' something isn't a correct usage of the word. 'Dragged' would have been more appropriate.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1679 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 16):
I thought it amusing too. 'Drug', to 'drag' something isn't a correct usage of the word. 'Dragged' would have been more appropriate.

But seriouslly, I don't think GWB himself would have used the correct verbage.


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7210 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

It's everywhere as well. It takes 6 weeks just to renew the all access red zone security pass here. It takes longer when you're starting. I actually thought I hadn't been accepted by NZ because it took them so long to get my initial security cleared, and therefore to offer me the position....I applied late January, and finally started on the 15th May for my training...

I have nothing in my history that would lead them to suspect anything, so I have to wonder how long it takes when they do want to query something further.....


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