Since neither of these planes are offered by Airbus, they'd struggle to buy them.
Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter): I am sure Boeing will be extremely aggressive, and could bag the order by offering an attractive package on 748I/748F given AI's decision to enter air cargo business with a dedicated freighter fleet.
Boeing has not been aggressive enough so far to win any additional 748i orders since LH selected it. The piece says nothing about them buying new-build freighters, just converting their existing 744s. They're very unlikely to be buying 748fs, so Boeing will have no leverage there.
Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1): I think AI will go with 748 but I could be wrong!
Well, that covers all the bases!
I think AI will be another new A380 customer.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11015 times:
So does AI think that they have miraculously shed all the red tape and the oversight of umpteen committees of "empowered groups of ministers" and all the political wrangling so that they can place an order within six months? Optimism at its best! That being said, it may be that Thulasidas is determined, on a personal level, to get this accomplished on his watch - before he retires. Perhaps this may help the process along.
The best time to plant a tree is 40 years ago. The second best time is today.
Airbus has enough orders to fill every production slot through July 2013, but that does not mean that every production slot is filled through that date. Deferments, planned deliveries post 2013, and such could open up slots in 2011.
ILFC also has 10 on order, though the first one has been deferred until 2013 so it would not be an option prior to that.
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10656 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3): Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
I wonder if they would consider the A389 or A388R
Since neither of these planes are offered by Airbus, they'd struggle to buy them.
I think Airbus is considering A389 with an EIS of 2015(there is a thread about it). AI's desired delivery schedule runs from 2011 to 2016, which makes consideration of A389 likely--if Airbus offers it.
Mk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10435 times:
I think AI needs to launch new routes, first, with their LR's and 77W's which they have begun inducting in their fleet. So far, besides the NY region in N. America, i haven't seen them announce any new routes with their new equipment.
I guess they could replace B744 with A388 on LAX, ORD and EWR (does EWR now see the 777?) but where else are they going to fly besides remaining stuck to the NY region???
All i am saying is there has to be strategy before just buying 20 or so planes!!!!
KennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10351 times:
Don't Kingfisher have 5 A380s on order ? So why would AI go for second fiddle with 748s especially with Emirates soon to be flying in and out of many major Indian cities within the next couple of years ?
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21639 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10295 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 15): Pick up five 747-8Is to replace their three 747-300s and one 747-400M and then order 10 A380s to replace their 747-400s?
AI only flies 9 747s as capacity aircraft right now.
The other 3 are combies, with under 300 seats. Their 772s hold more pax. The 77Ws hold way more.
Thus they only need to replace 9 VLAs here. Yes, they want to grow, but the idea that they would buy 16 748I or even 12 A380 all at once makes no sense to me, not when they have a bunch of 77Ws on order with more cargo space than either, and which they are outfitting to hold 340+ pax, already their second largest plane.
I could see them with an initial order of 6 A380s or 6 748I and some additional other planes like 787-9 or 77W (or even A350, but it seems their timeframe is to start deliveries pre-A350 EIS).
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10294 times:
Quoting KennyK (Reply 21): Don't Kingfisher have 5 A380s on order ? So why would AI go for second fiddle with 748s especially with Emirates soon to be flying in and out of many major Indian cities within the next couple of years ?
I guess carriers which order the B748 will be "second fiddle'" and if carriers don't order either will be "third fiddle"...
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: It's not clear to me if A388s(or B748s) will be primarily used to operate non-stop India-NA or India-MUC-NA one-stop flights. Non-stops to SFO and LA
: You mean, it will be a flying indian palace Only, will the have palace windows on the upper deck, too? Cheers A350
: I highly doubt the majority of passengers care what type of aircraft they are on. AI could very well go for either aircraft, but I doubt they will ch
: How would you know this unless you are in on the negotiations? You are probably right though. I could see the A380 being the leading freighter in the
: Which, alas, they cannot. The A380-800F will likely fly and will likely find a home with non-package cargo carriers, but it might not be until the la
: The tide is currently running behind the A380 and not the 748i. Of course, that could be a good reason for Boeing to make AI an offer they can't refus
: What is the status of DEL-JFK. Will it still be going nonstop in 2/08? Will LHR-JFK remaing, giving AI 3 daily flights at JFK?
: It will be the A380 hands down, the 748i just doesn't offer any advantage for AI that the A380 would, especially in terms of capacity for future growt
: This should help alleviate Boeing's timetables for 748 production, considering they delayed it 6 months (IIRC) to finish out 744 production.
: They put the palace windows on the upper deck of the 744 so I guess they would on the A380. Consider yourself lucky if you don't get a chance to trav
: Great idea To make it more attractive, Boeing should offer AI a package which includes buying back their B 744s as part of AI's order for B 748Is and
: I don't "know" and I'm certainly not "in on the negotiations", but it can be reasonably surmised given the lack of success of the 748i vs. A380 when
: AI have only 2 owned 743 combis.....in addition, they have one leased 744 combi..that makes three combis in all....
: The A380 is mainly seen battling out the premium markets. For AI to order the A380 would signal the beginning of the A380 developing-country phenomeno
: While I think this is true beyond doubt, the SQ is 12/60/399. I can see AI filling a A380, but remember with nothing like a FSuite that SQ offers. Wi
: Air India will buy the A380 since every major Asian and European airline is buying them. At some point most of these airline will fly them to India si
: While it's impossible to refute that the 748i isn't pulling in orders left and right, it's also not a real argument to say that it's losing out big-t
: Very true. All right, I admit, the A380 has the upper hand given that AI is a 773ER operator. Instead of a 748 they could just get more 773ERs.
: Hasn't TG ordered the 380? I would classify Thailand as a 'developing country' ......
: Boeing's scheduled presentation to AI is for 748I and 20 777s, for deliveries in 2011-2016. AI should hold off on ordering A380 or B748 until they ha
: I'm not scoring points, just responding to the often written claim "Boeing will make them an offer they can't refuse!" or words to that effect (see o
: An excellent point. Many airlines have been evaluating the 748i and the A380 head on, and while no decisions have been made, one can see that they ar
: We're talking about the 748, not the 744. The 748i has been on offer since November 2005. In that time the only non-top up order for the A380 has bee
: I'm just pointing out that against the A380, Boeing is struggling to sell planes, whether it's the old 744 or the new 748i. British Airways (12), Gru
: I guess I just don't see the 744 as relevant to the the discussion. It makes it sound like it's a new aircraft. The 744's demise was brought on by a
: Hmm! Do you actually think that AI fleet planners keep that in mind (commonality factor) ..
: Not to mention China and CZ. Regards MH
: BTW, I think this order is Airbus's to lose! With the incredible growth of the economy and population of the sub-Continent, AI needs the A380. This na
: I knows its the old livery but gives an idea....sure does look good.
: What would be the business case to justify introducing two new models to do that? If AI wants to replace their VLAs, and do it as cheaply as possible
: OOOOOO!!! I have to admit that is PRETTY. Do one of 747-8i PLEASE.
: And in the new colors please.....once we have all the pics side by side, we can take a decision on whether AI should go for the 380 or the 748i....
: There likely isn't. Frankly, I think if anything, AI is going to place an MoU for the A380-800 with a nebulous EIS date. That way, if traffic grows t