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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

I was looking at a parking chart of Toronto Intl. Airport and I was wondering about three things:

1. Only terminals 1 and 3 seem to be in use. What happens to T2?

2. Which airlines use which terminals and which gates?

3. What is the "Infield Terminal" being used for? It's located next to the cargo terminal and far away from the other terminals, so what its usage?

Thanks

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User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Airline/terminal listing can be found here http://www.gtaa.com/en/travellers/ai...lines_and_destina/airline_listing/

Terminal 2 was closed down and long term an expansion of T1 will be built in it's place


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

T2 is almost half demolished and will make room for the eventual expansion of Terminal 1. There are two infield terminals. One very small one that AC/Jazz uses for some US flights with Dash and CRJ aircraft. You get buses there from T1. The other infield Terminal is a facility in the middle of the airport that was used as an interim facililty as T1 was being build and interfered with the Old T1 gates. Then as the Old T1 was demolished it was in full use. You rode buses first from the Old T1 then eventually from the new T1. This infield terminal was used for international flights by AC and their Star Alliance partners. Now that the International/US arm of the new T1 is open the infield term sits idle in case it is needed. Someone recently told us on here that most of the computer equipment was removed from the facility.

An easy way to tell the which airlines use which terminal beyond the list provided in the link above is that T1 is mostly AC and its Star Alliance partners such as United and code share airlines of AC like Alitalia. The exceptions of JetAirways, EK, Etihad and Sunwing use T1 as well. All the OneWorld and a wider variety of Airlines use T3.


User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 3235 times:

Terminal 1
Air Canada
Air Canada Jazz
Alitalia
Austrian
Air Jamaica
Condor
Emirates
Etihad
Jet Airways
LOT Polish
Lufthansa
Mexicana
Sunwing Airlines
United Airlines

STAR Alliance Codeshare Flights

Air India will be moving to terminal 1 in December.

Terminal 3
Aeroflot
Aeromexico
Aerosvit Airlines
Air France
Air India (Moving to Terminal 1 December 2007)
Air Transat
American Airlines
British Airways
Canjet
Caribbean Airlines
Cathay Pacific
Continental
Cubana
Czech Airlines
Delta Airlines
EL AL
Finnair
JAL
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Korean Airlines
LACSA
LTU International
Malev Hungarian (service suspended to YYZ as of yesterday)
Martinair Holland
My Travel Airways
Northwest Airlines
Olympic Airlines
Pakistan International
SATA International
Skyservice Airlines
Thomas Cook Airlines
Transaero
US Airways
Westjet
Zoom Airlines


User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Until a certain point, during the mid-1990s that Terminal 2 was quite drab and depressing until they decided to add
windows and make it a more healthier ambience. Toronto T1 (new) and T3 are quite attractive. I flew out of new T1 twice before and it is a great travel experience! I like it much better than Terminal 2 any day. The futuristic look and shape of Terminal 1 is quite impressive. Terminal 3 is attractive, but is starting to show its age. Good thing they are doing some modernization to it and expansion.

I've never been to Infield terminal before. Can't comment.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

I like how you can get a clear view of the tarmac from a number of locations in T1. T3 has been expanded and is a little bit less crowded now. Plus in the International end you can see out onto the airfield as well. T3 will eventually be gradually removed and T1 expanded in that direction if growth warrants.

Not everyone will ever agree about the new terminal. However I find it a big improvement and much prefer using it to the previous terminals. I also think it is right up there with many other very good airports and a big improvement over a lot of airports.


User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

i enjoy transiting through toronto. Its bright, has a lot of space(high ceilings), you can get great views of the tarmac from almost every gate(T1). The only thing i ask for is a bit more in food arena, as i quickly get bored of the restaurants there. I haven't been to T3, so i can't comment, although the views from T1 are pretty good.

I flew through the infield i think 3 times, and can only remember it being a pain. It wasnt a short ride, so if your connection was tight, it wasnt so great. I remember it being fairly basic.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

My favorite part is taking the monorail to T3 from T1.. nice view of the east side of T3, especially when the KL/AF 74's are parked around there

User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Every time I see the currently disused infield terminal I can't help but think how nice it would look sitting in YHM. They should be so lucky.  Smile


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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3000 times:



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 4):
Until a certain point, during the mid-1990s that Terminal 2 was quite drab and depressing until they decided to add windows and make it a more healthier ambience.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't T2 originally designed to be a cargo terminal, which would have explained the lack of windows one would normally find in a passenger terminal?


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2970 times:



Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 8):
Every time I see the currently disused infield terminal I can't help but think how nice it would look sitting in YHM. They should be so lucky.

Could not agree more!!!

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 9):
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't T2 originally designed to be a cargo terminal, which would have explained the lack of windows one would normally find in a passenger terminal?

Yes you are right it was.........

IFT is/was a pain for everyone and if you ask all the airlines and give them the choice no one would use the IFT  Wink, however it served its purpose in the past....

Cheers,


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1819 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

What is it like to transfer from Terminal 1 to 3? Let's say I arrived into Terminal 1 on a domestic AC flight, then wanted to transfer to terminal 3 onto the CSA flight to Prague... is this quite simple? How long would a transfer usually take (including check in time, security, etc.). I think the only chance I would be doing this in the near term is to PRG, but the prices aren't so great. Would be nice to know anyways...

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 6):
i enjoy transiting through toronto. Its bright, has a lot of space(high ceilings), you can get great views of the tarmac from almost every gate(T1). The only thing i ask for is a bit more in food arena, as i quickly get bored of the restaurants there. I haven't been to T3, so i can't comment, although the views from T1 are pretty good.

Yep! I would say YYZ is one of my favorite airports.


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2877 times:



Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 11):
What is it like to transfer from Terminal 1 to 3?

The train link between T1 and T3 only takes a few minutes and the wait for the next train isn't usually more than a few minutes especially at peak times. The walk in the terminal takes longer than the ride.

T2 was a temporary facility as well. It was only built as a stop gap that stuck around way longer than intended.

Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 8):
Every time I see the currently disused infield terminal I can't help but think how nice it would look sitting in YHM. They should be so lucky.

The building is designed to be easily dismantled or converted into a cargo facility so they should make an offer  Smile.


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2861 times:



Quoting Swissy (Reply 10):
Quoting RP TPA (Reply 9):
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't T2 originally designed to be a cargo terminal, which would have explained the lack of windows one would normally find in a passenger terminal?

Yes you are right it was.........

This is a common urban legend. In fact it was designed for American, BOAC and Canadian Pacific as a passenger terminal. Nearing completion it was determined to be a "lesser" terminal and Air Canada as a government airline was forced to use it. The three zone concept that T2 used was due to its design roots. International, Transborder and Domestic. (BA, AA and CP) With, heaven help them, three different baggage systems!

The lack of windows was for two reasons. The International and Transborder sections originally had the departure lounges toward the centre of the building, with connecting corridors for gates on the outside of the building. This allowed cross utilization of the gates between zones. Domestic? There were alot of theories as to why there were no windows from 1973 to 1990 in Domestic. One answer I heard is that it was a way to tell late passengers that the aircraft had left at departure time and there was no way for them to dispute it! Remember, at the time, Air Canada's ontime departure record was legend it was so high!

Transborder and International were "windowed" in the expansion of 1977, and domestic achieved its windows during the face lift of 1990 to meet the competition of the then new T3.



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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Thanks a lot everyone, this is very rich and enriching information!

I re-studied the airport chart as well as some pix here on a.net and now have some more questions:

1. There is talk of an "international wing" at T1 - is that gates 161-191, with the widebodies parked at the end, i.e. gates 170-180? If this is wrong, which gates are international?
2. Does the "international wing" also have the transborder flights to US destinations? Do they have dedicated gates (I assume so)? If not in that international wing, which gates are transborder flights departing from?
3. I assume that airlines at T1 don't have "assigned gates", e.g. LH is not always using the same gate? Just the same "area of gates"?
4. Where do Jazz commuter planes and Star Alliance commuters park? Do they have airbridge stands or do they park somewhere on the tarmac?
4. What about T3? Is there an international, transborder, domestic part? If yes, which gates are which?
5. Are there assigned gates at T3? At least for some airlines like Westjet?
6. What is in those buildings to the Northwest of T3 (around taxiways AD, AE, AF, AG)?
7. What about the buildings to the Northwest of runway 05/23?

I know that's many questions but I am going to Toronto next week for the first time in 5 years and so I suddenly take an interest in that airport and its exact workings.

Thanks!


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2766 times:
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Quoting Mozart (Reply 14):
1. There is talk of an "international wing" at T1 - is that gates 161-191, with the widebodies parked at the end, i.e. gates 170-180? If this is wrong, which gates are international?
2. Does the "international wing" also have the transborder flights to US destinations? Do they have dedicated gates (I assume so)? If not in that international wing, which gates are transborder flights departing from?
3. I assume that airlines at T1 don't have "assigned gates", e.g. LH is not always using the same gate? Just the same "area of gates"?

Theoreticaly:

132, 134, 151-167 are Transborder gates, some (132, 134, 151, 153, 155, 157) are swing gates.
191 and 193 are also Transborder i think? But ive never seen anything parked at them except a single AC A319...
168-181 are international gates.
I THINK 166 and 167 are swing gates as they are accesible from both International and Transborder.

These gates work as follows: US departures go to the lower (main) level to their gates after clearing US Customs and Security. International Pax remain on the upper level after clearing a different security point until the end of Concourse G. There is a movable wall between the US and International departures area. Im Assuming this wall will be removed once Concourse H is built and International moves there. When i did the pre-opening tour,i don't remember that wal being there?

Arriving, all pax go to the upper level (via escalators at the gate) without entering the main terminal area to Canada customs/international transfer.

None of the international carriers have assigned gates, but most of the time the heavies will end up at 173/4/5/7/8/9 due to gate clearance issues.

Quoting Mozart (Reply 14):
4. Where do Jazz commuter planes and Star Alliance commuters park? Do they have airbridge stands or do they park somewhere on the tarmac?

Concourse E is Jazz Domestic on the lower level. CRJ-705 use jetways, everything else uses stairs.
US Jazz/Alliance flights use the Transborder satelitte terminal near the end of Runway 24R, passed where T2 was.

Quoting Mozart (Reply 14):
4. What about T3? Is there an international, transborder, domestic part? If yes, which gates are which?
5. Are there assigned gates at T3? At least for some airlines like Westjet?

Haven't been in T3 in a looong time, but Concourse B is US and Domestic, C is International, A (the satellite) i believe is swing?

Quoting Mozart (Reply 14):
6. What is in those buildings to the Northwest of T3 (around taxiways AD, AE, AF, AG)?
7. What about the buildings to the Northwest of runway 05/23?

The ones between T3 and Runway 23/5 are Air Canada's Maintenance Base and the Vista Air Cargo Facility
The far side of 05/23 has a couple FBOs and Maintenance facilities, plus Skyservice's Hangars and FedEx.



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User currently offlineZBA2CGX From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Does, anyone have recent photo's of the demolition of Terminal 2. When the demolition of terminal 2 is complete, are they going to expand the apron on the east side of T1's international pier?

User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Yes the apron will start to extend from T1. It already covers part of where T2 was. The plans show the apron extending all the way where T2 is/was. How far it will actually go I am not sure. There will be remote stands there. Whether they will service planes there and pull into the gate ready to load or not I don't know. If you check the plans on the website http://www.gtaa.com/local/files/en/C...ons/MasterPlan/MP-Chapter6-pt1.pdf and
http://www.gtaa.com/local/files/en/C...ons/MasterPlan/MP-Chapter6-pt2.pdf you will see the staged growth planned for T1. Some things and some dates have changed but it is all there if you are interested.

Not much to see re the demolition unless you had a telephoto lens. The best vantage point is on the highway. The airport service road is across the field so it is hard to see much. Both ends of the building are gone and they are working towards the middle. The parking garages are in place and are being used for employee parking currently and block the view from the internal airport roadways. The old access roads to the terminal have been closed or rerouted and removed. You can see where the very end of T2 was from the windows by the international gate screening.

[Edited 2007-11-19 10:11:44]

User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
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Quoting ZBA2CGX (Reply 16):
Does, anyone have recent photo's of the demolition of Terminal 2. When the demolition of terminal 2 is complete, are they going to expand the apron on the east side of T1's international pier?

Eventually Concourse H will go there... but thats many years off yet.

No photos, but basically both wings are gone, part of the old International finger is still there when ramp ops was located (looks like a weird tall building in the middle of the tarmac now actually, its completely disconnected), along with the core terminal and garage, but it'll all stripped well down to bare steelwork in most areas now in the terminal.



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User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1000 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2691 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 14):
I re-studied the airport chart as well as some pix here on a.net and now have some more questions:

1. There is talk of an "international wing" at T1 - is that gates 161-191, with the widebodies parked at the end, i.e. gates 170-180? If this is wrong, which gates are international?
2. Does the "international wing" also have the transborder flights to US destinations? Do they have dedicated gates (I assume so)? If not in that international wing, which gates are transborder flights departing from?
3. I assume that airlines at T1 don't have "assigned gates", e.g. LH is not always using the same gate? Just the same "area of gates"?
4. Where do Jazz commuter planes and Star Alliance commuters park? Do they have airbridge stands or do they park somewhere on the tarmac?
4. What about T3? Is there an international, transborder, domestic part? If yes, which gates are which?
5. Are there assigned gates at T3? At least for some airlines like Westjet?
6. What is in those buildings to the Northwest of T3 (around taxiways AD, AE, AF, AG)?
7. What about the buildings to the Northwest of runway 05/23?

1) The Pier F Hammerhead is where most of the international gates are...however, gates 168-173 and 178-181 are swing gates which can be swung between International and Transborder as operations dictate. Therefore, gates 174-177 are the only 4 dedicated international gates at T1.
2) Transborder is from gate 145 (I think, I forget where the glass partition begins) down along liner E (the 150's), and the main section of Pier F (the 160's, and 191). As mentioned above, there are a number of gates in the hammerhead which can be swung between international and transborder.
3) It is a common use facility...there are a couple of exceptions (AC), but generally, there is no fixed gating.
4) Jazz uses the 120 series of gates for domestic, and then they are taken over to the East Hold Satellite for Transborder flights if they are not put on a normal gate.
4 #2) T3 is very difficult to classify, but generally:
Transborder: A1, B7-B13
Transborder/Domestic Swing: B14-B19
Domestic (generally): B20-C28 & C40-C41
International: C29-C39

There are many rules which allow certain configs outside of this - but this is generally how it is operated.

5) Again, it is a common use facility. Any airline can be moved to any gate as long as sterility requirements are met.
6) Air Canada Hangars????
7) Vista Cargo????

The last two I am not so sure on...maybe Sebring or someone could comment.

James



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
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this should help with the buildings:

Big version: Width: 1264 Height: 484 File size: 590kb



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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2578 times:



Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 20):
this should help with the buildings:

Oops, there is no link in your post. Could you edit please?

Thanks!


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2466 times:
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ack... bad a.net pictures... no biscuit!

try this: http://www.simlivery.com/img/yyzloc1.jpg



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2419 times:

Actually, I wasn't referring to the IFT, but to Terminal 2 itself that was drab and depressing during the mid-80s to 90s. I cannot remember at what point they did renovations. As early as I can remember, I flew to YYZ during my move to Halifax in 1982. I was only 6 years old at that time. Terminal 2 had no windows! It was like a fortress. Between 1982 and 1999, I flew through T2 many times on Air Canada and it wasn't until mid 90s that they actually did much renovations. Lately, out of YYZ, I fly AA, or CO. So I fly out of T3.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2364 times:



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 23):
Actually, I wasn't referring to the IFT, but to Terminal 2 itself that was drab and depressing

T2 was one of the most depressing terminals I've ever used. It served the purpose but you certainly didn't want to spend any more time there than necessary. I don't think it even had moving sidewalks, at least not when it first opened. It could be a very long walk if you were connecting between domestic and international flights. I also recall the passenger tunnel under the ramp between T2 and the original T1.

It's hard to believe the old round original T1 handled all of YYZ's traffic for years. The multi-storey parking structure in the middle of the old T1 was a great spot for aircraft photos. A few examples:


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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 25, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

T2 eventually had moving sidewalks installed in the domestic section. Later when the International flights were moved into the old T1 the US section was extended into where the International gates used to be. However US customs didn't move so the hike from US customs to the last of the US gates was a long schlep! The worst was when you flew to DCA after 9/11. I dont' remember the gate number but it was a very long walk and then you were kept in the departure lounge without services after clearing the second security check. The best part of T2 was when the old tunnel between old T1 and T2 was reopened. When I had a long delay I would hike the whole way to go to the Maple Leaf Lounge in T1 because it had a wonderful view of the field. Then due to duty free rules, domestic customers couldn't use the International lounge.

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