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Shuttle America N862RW Back On Its Feet  
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

The saga of N862RW seems to be nearing completion as it made its debut today (Sunday 11/18) outside the Air Services hangar, for some much needed sunshine and an engine run-up which I believe to be its first since it ran off the runway in a snowstorm this past February. It's amazing the amount of work they've put into this aircraft...removing the engines, the nose, and the forward fuselage up to the wings, and putting it all back together. It's nice to see it back "on it's feet" again, and I bet it will be back in the air very soon.


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6660 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Thread starter):
and I bet it will be back in the air very soon.

With new colors! Thanks for letting us know.


User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6627 times:

Why wasn't this plane written off if they had to re-do its whole front section?


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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 2):
Why wasn't this plane written off if they had to re-do its whole front section?

you understand what the term 'write off' means right?

A plane(or anything) is deemed written off when the costs to repair it are not worth it to the insurer. In this case, the insurer concluded that all the work that had to be done was more economical than paying out the owner for the insured cost. If they had written it off, they would have to pay the owner a sum of money, and try and recoup some of that with parting it out.

[Edited 2007-11-18 23:09:42]

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

Wow, looks a little bit different than when I used to work on her! So what's the news, is she headed back to the Shuttle fleet?


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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6379 times:



Quoting N766UA (Reply 4):
is she headed back to the Shuttle fleet?

That's what I hear.

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 1):
With new colors! Thanks for letting us know.

I didn't even think of that...I'm sure that since it has to be repainted anyway that that would be it. I hope to catch it doing some test runs in the near future...I imagine they'll have to do that before they even try to fly it.


User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5970 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 5):

I didn't even think of that...I'm sure that since it has to be repainted anyway that that would be it. I hope to catch it doing some test runs in the near future...I imagine they'll have to do that before they even try to fly it.

Aren't the 170s going over to UAX anyway? Maybe she'll get a generic paint job in the mean time? Either way, glad to see her back on her feet.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

No they are not going over to UA. They will be staying at DL for a little while at least.


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5895 times:



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 6):
Aren't the 170s going over to UAX anyway?

If so, that leaves nothing for DLX, as that's all that they provide.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 1):
With new colors!

Who said anything about new colors.......???

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 5):
.I'm sure that since it has to be repainted anyway that that would be it.

My guess would be they'll just paint the nose... not the entire plane. That aircraft was all but brand new when the event happened so the rest of the paint is still in great shape. The extra lost time and labor required to re-paint the entire plane is just a waste. They can mask off the nose and have all the paint down in two days -v- a week or more for the entire plane.

[Edited 2007-11-19 19:41:10]


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5863 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
Who said anything about new colors.......???

Well it would be kind of dumb to paint it in wavy gravy, don't you agree?


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5768 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 8):
Quoting Bok269 (Reply 6):
Aren't the 170s going over to UAX anyway?

If so, that leaves nothing for DLX, as that's all that they provide.

Actually, what's happening is the E-170s will go over to the United Express operation and will be replaced one for one by E-175s on the Delta Connection side. Not sure when that's scheduled to start.



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User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5629 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 11):
Actually, what's happening is the E-170s will go over to the United Express operation and will be replaced one for one by E-175s on the Delta Connection side. Not sure when that's scheduled to start.

Mostly true. 10 of the DL 170's are going to UA, 5 are going to F9 and 1 is unassigned for the time being.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5603 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 11):
Actually, what's happening is the E-170s will go over to the United Express operation and will be replaced one for one by E-175s on the Delta Connection side. Not sure when that's scheduled to start.



Quoting Loggat (Reply 12):
Mostly true. 10 of the DL 170's are going to UA, 5 are going to F9 and 1 is unassigned for the time being.

Anyone else have any more info on this? When are they moving? When are the 175s coming?


User currently offlineSafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5565 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 13):
Anyone else have any more info on this? When are they moving? When are the 175s coming?

As far as I know, the -175s start arriving for Shuttle America the end of spring/beginning of summer next year.

-safetyDemo



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5482 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
My guess would be they'll just paint the nose... not the entire plane. That aircraft was all but brand new when the event happened so the rest of the paint is still in great shape. The extra lost time and labor required to re-paint the entire plane is just a waste. They can mask off the nose and have all the paint down in two days -v- a week or more for the entire plane.



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 10):
Well it would be kind of dumb to paint it in wavy gravy, don't you agree?

Logically it make sense to have the whole plane repainted in Delta's new colors, but I suspect EMBQA is right here. As it is a new aircraft and probably a long way from its nearest major C- or D-check, I'm guessing they'll repaint in the colors that it already partly wears: wavy gravy.
Not to mention that the rest of the E-fleet is in wavy gravy colors, if I am not mistaken.

When can we expect this bird to fly again? I understand its a purely business decision but I am glad to see this plane get a new lease on life. This 'frame will have a story to tell until it meets the airplane graveyard many years from now.....



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5448 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 15):
Not to mention that the rest of the E-fleet is in wavy gravy colors, if I am not mistaken.

Your first point makes sense. This one, however, doesn't have much meaning though, because almost all the other Delta fleets have a very small percentage painted so far. Gotta start somewhere. But anyway, I guess we've figured out that they aren't even goign to Delta anymore, so we can forget about this, lol.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5408 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 16):
Your first point makes sense. This one, however, doesn't have much meaning though, because almost all the other Delta fleets have a very small percentage painted so far. Gotta start somewhere. But anyway, I guess we've figured out that they aren't even goign to Delta anymore, so we can forget about this, lol.

Yes, it could be a moot point but all I was saying was that somewhere down the list, you'd have to figure that fleet consistency is an issue. Then again, I counted four different DL liveries at JFK last week (including several Song 757s) so that theory isn't necessarily true...!



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User currently offlineSafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5381 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 17):
Yes, it could be a moot point but all I was saying was that somewhere down the list, you'd have to figure that fleet consistency is an issue. Then again, I counted four different DL liveries at JFK last week (including several Song 757s) so that theory isn't necessarily true...!

The -175 deliveries are scheduled to be the first Shuttle America aircraft in the new Delta Connection livery. They will also receive new interiors from what I hear. Has anyone been on a Delta mainline aircraft in the new colors? Do they have updated interiors? What do they consist of if they do?

-safetyDemo



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5364 times:



Quoting SafetyDemo (Reply 18):
The -175 deliveries are scheduled to be the first Shuttle America aircraft in the new Delta Connection livery. They will also receive new interiors from what I hear. Has anyone been on a Delta mainline aircraft in the new colors? Do they have updated interiors? What do they consist of if they do?

A lot of DL aircraft have updated interiors with leather seats, new overhead bins (at least on the 757s and MD-88s), and some have a new PTV system with satellite TV and movies and music and games. It's really very nice!!



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5318 times:



Quoting SafetyDemo (Reply 18):
They will also receive new interiors from what I hear.

The E175 offers no interior options. About the only thing you'll get will be the color of the leather seats and the color of the carpets. Nothing special.....



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User currently offlineSafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5311 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 20):
The E175 offers no interior options. About the only thing you'll get will be the color of the leather seats and the color of the carpets. Nothing special.....

Well its going to be some sort of upgrade over the current interiors. Perhaps the seats will be like the seats on the RW -175s?

-safetyDemo



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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

UPDATE: 2230h 11/20/07: Dee dee-dee lee, Dee- dee-dee lee...(newschannel noises...!) Unconfirmed reports have come to our attention that this aircraft will be making some test runs tomorrow, November 21, with a possible departure on Thanksgiving day, heading to Memphis for painting. I repeat, this is an unconfirmed rumor from a generally reliable source!

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5036 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 22):
departure on Thanksgiving day, heading to Memphis for painting

Where is there a paint shop in MEM...???



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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4994 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 23):

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 22):
departure on Thanksgiving day, heading to Memphis for painting

Where is there a paint shop in MEM...???

I do not know, and that's a very good question! Well....my source is generally about 75% accurate, usually erring on the "minor" subjects like dates, times and locations (!), but the gist of what he says always has something to it. Then again, I don't believe it ever got out of the hangar today either, so I'm starting to wonder...

Sorry for jumping the gun.


25 Bok269 : Werent some of the Freedom E145s painted there?
26 United_Fan : That plane will never be 'right' again.....
27 EMBQA : No... most of Freedom's E145's were painted in Nashville.
28 Post contains images Bok269 : I stand corrected.
29 Post contains images Rampkontroler : Well...at 1950 (7:50) this evening (11/23), she was doing some taxi testing under its own power! Using the callsign "Chautauqua 862 Maintenance", it r
30 EMBQA : Odd callsign because it's not a CHQ aircraft........
31 Loggat : It may have been CHQ mechanics doing the taxi. S5, RP, RW, all the same mechanics. Doesn't overly matter what callsign they use for ground taxi. At IN
32 EMBQA : Actually no they're not. All three have their own operating certificate, their own GMM, their own chain of command, their own directors, managers and
33 Rampkontroler : That was definitely the callsign they were using, and we found it interesting as well. We just assumed it was CHQ mechanics who were running it about.
34 RJwrench85 : Well someone must have screwed up big time as said above they are different. I was an S5 employee and everytime we taxi A 170 we are "Shuttle MX" or
35 Rampkontroler : That's really odd then. If it's running about today I'll be sure to catch the callsign again. I'm sure there's an explanation there somewhere.
36 EMBQA : They'll also have to go through a pretty extensive process to re-align the flight computers. That will take a day or two before they can fly.
37 Post contains links Rampkontroler : Well, I just got to work to find out I missed its first flight. (Oh well, can't catch them all!) It took a test hop this morning, and is back here in
38 RJwrench85 : Are you sure that isnt the new super secret Delta Livery. I think they call it "Frankenstein" but shhh dont tell anyone else its classified. I wonder
39 Post contains links Rampkontroler : I think you got that right...Upon closer inspection, it would appear that a panel has popped open as well! The one outlined in red in this shot: http
40 EMBQA : No.... I'm sure that was planned. That is the RAT and I'm sure it was one of the tests they performed during the test flight. It would have also been
41 Rampkontroler : Ahhhh....very interesting! Makes sense to me. Would love to have heard that!
42 Loggat : 862RW is scheduled to leave CLE for somewhere in MS tomorrow (11/25) to be painted. It's somewhere in the middle of nowhere that Republic Airways usua
43 SafetyDemo : The aircraft that went nose gear up in IAD was 651. I worked on it the week it came back into service - looked like nothing had ever happened to it fr
44 Post contains links Rampkontroler : Well, Frankenplane made its departure today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TCF9400 Off to the paintshop in Greenville Mississippi for painting. (
45 EMBQA : Thanks... It will be interesting to see if it comes out with just the nose re-painted. (my guess) .. or new Delta colors
46 SafetyDemo : My guess would be they only repaint the affected portion into the old Delta colors. Starting next summer, this and all other Delta -170s at Shuttle A
47 OB1504 : For some reason, FlightAware labels any E170 as an Embraer 175.
48 N766UA : Interesting, since the E175 is technically an E170-200!
49 777WT : The ENTIRE aircraft was repainted... How do I know? QA inspector had to inspect the paintwork and I saw the logbook of 862 when it went out of servic
50 Post contains links Rampkontroler : Thanks for the update on that. So I assume it was painted into the new DL colors then? Or back into the wavy gravy it was wearing? It's come a long wa
51 IndyWA : Actually, we were quoted per Bedford's memo that the new -175's for Delta will begin arriving in July '08 with the new colors and interiors (almost a
52 SafetyDemo : And Republic has been flying -175s for USAirways Express for almost a year now. Like I said, summer of next year is when they arrive at Shuttle Ameri
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