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What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?  
User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6594 times:

What airlines keep lots of planes over night a hub airports? I know AA keeps quite a few at DFW. What about UA, DL, CO, WN, etc.?


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6595 times:

Yes, AA does RON several airplanes at DFW. DL does the same at ATL and CO at EWE and IAH, as well as WN at DAL.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11611 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6584 times:

As you and KC135 said, any of the major U.S. carriers will typically overnight lots of planes at their hubs, if for no other reason than the hubs are so massively huge - and serve such massively huge markets - that they need at least some early morning originators to go to outstations carrying the local O&D demand.

Beyond that, at least in the case of some airlines - like AA at DFW and DL at ATL - they also RON lots of planes at their home hubs because those hubs are also major maintenance bases. AA does a substantial amount of maintenance work on its planes at DFW, as does Delta at ATL, and thus they need to schedule planes to stay at the hubs and chip away at those MELs.


User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 916 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6468 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
As you and KC135 said, any of the major U.S. carriers will typically overnight lots of planes at their hubs, if for no other reason than the hubs are so massively huge - and serve such massively huge markets - that they need at least some early morning originators to go to outstations carrying the local O&D demand.

To add on, keep in mind that any given hub is a spoke to another hub, so it will necessitate a RON to operate an early departure to another hub for local passengers.


User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

WN RON's about 35 birds at MDW, and a bunch at BNA...


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User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

We have 7 Flybe RONs in EXT, 5 Q400s and 2 E195s normally.

FR at STN has 15 (I think) 73H RONs.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6279 times:



Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 4):
WN RON's about 35 birds at MDW, and a bunch at BNA...

Because WN operates a point to point model, they tend to RON more birds at their larger stations. Interestingly, in a city like Chicago, where WN competes with carriers operating true hubs, this allows them to have a bit of a competitive advantage for local travelers because they can offer earlier departures in the morning and later arrivals at night. Whether they take advantage of this is not something I've looked at in depth, but it at least works well in theory.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6267 times:

You'll also see one or to RONs at an outstation. Just an exaple, when I was working for ASA in ATL, we really didn't have that many aircraft in ATL after 11pm (generally the last flights of the night for us or anyone for that matter). We'll have a handful on both sides of C and maybe 2 or 3 ATR's on D and an RJ here and there, that's it. Most of the aircaft were somewhere in an outstation. Remember, a lot of stations have early morning departures (0530-0645) so the aircraft would generally be there from the night before from a night arrival (2300-2345).


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6188 times:

If I'm not mistaken, for example, the only RONs for Northwest at Memphis would be inbounds from Detroit and Minneapolis...am I crazy for saying this?


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Allegiant I think RON's all their planes in LAS since their crews do not RON anywhere.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5953 times:

You'll also notice, most hubs dont have VERY early departures like you'll see in an outstation. Like I said in the above post, you'll see a 0530 departure and onwards. For the simple reason to getin INTO the hub to catch coonnections.


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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5844 times:

Midwest RONs 95% of their fleet in MKE every night. How else would airlines get their morning rush out between 6:30-7:30am?

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5836 times:



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, for example, the only RONs for Northwest at Memphis would be inbounds from Detroit and Minneapolis...am I crazy for saying this?

Exactly. Were would the 5:50a departure to DTW from OKC come from. A 4:10a departure from MEM to OKC?  Wink



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5835 times:



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, for example, the only RONs for Northwest at Memphis would be inbounds from Detroit and Minneapolis...am I crazy for saying this?

Thats about right, when I flew out of MSP last week we left at about 11:15 pm, I there was 4 NW planes at the entire airport.



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User currently offlineBarnesy2006 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 5805 times:

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 5):
FR at STN has 15 (I think) 73H RONs

FR has 40 aircraft RON in STN for the summer and around 37 at the moment, EZY has 12 aircraft RON in STN aswell.


I think the thing to remember is that all carriers Short-Medium size fleets will RON at there Hubs overnight wether it be FR in STN, BA in LHR-LGW, LH in FRA and AF in CDG. This allows a time space for engineering work and other duties to be carried out for the next days flying.

[Edited 2007-11-20 08:53:40]

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 5787 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Thats about right, when I flew out of MSP last week we left at about 11:15 pm, I there was 4 NW planes at the entire airport.

Well NW at night always has at least 15-20 planes at MSP parked at hangars and additional planes sitting in the hangars. But beyond that, NW does have a 7ish bank at MSP so there are at least 20-30 planes at the airport by the time morning comes, being it's their largest hub (by mainline operations).

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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 5760 times:



Quoting Barnesy2006 (Reply 14):
BA in LHR-LGW, LH in FRA and AF in CDG. This allows a time space for engineering work and other duties to be carried out for the next days flying

I'd say as classic hub-spoke carriers these carriers have a lot of planes that RON in outstations to feed the early departure waves of the hub.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 5739 times:

F9 has quite a few RON's in DEN. They have quite a few 900p departures from the west coast (LAX, LAS, SFO) that don't arrive into DEN until after midnight.

The only RON's UA has in DEN are a handful of widebodies from ORD and IAD, and a couple 757's that take out the 600a flights to LAX and SFO. Occasionally we'll get TED RON's too when we have early morning TED flights on new schedule changes...typically 700am PHX and LAS.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 5735 times:
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Last week when I was flying out of T1 @ LAX on WN, I counted 12, or 13 RON's when I got there @0500. We drove in up the side of T1 and I was surprised to see WN had three 73Gs parked behind one docked @ gate 1. I thought (guess I was wrong) they had a remote area to park their additional a/c when all their jetways were in use.

AS's Mexico hub @ LAX seems to have many RONs as early in the a.m. all of their jetways are taken.

Who has the most RON's at LAX? UA? AA? WN?

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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 9):
Allegiant I think RON's all their planes in LAS since their crews do not RON anywhere.

Incorrect. Depending on the day of the week, Allegiant RON's a few planes in outstations like PIA, BLI, and ABE. There are also Allegiant aircraft that RON in PIE, IWA, FLL, RNO, IFP and SFB.

[Edited 2007-11-20 10:07:36]


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User currently offlineSpoke2Spoke From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5695 times:



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 11):
Midwest RONs 95% of their fleet in MKE every night.

I am somewhat surprised by this. Wouldn't we expect Midwest to have a majority of their fleet RON in outstations to make up 0530-0645 first bank departures?

I guess the answer to that question is that the majority of Midwest's first bank departures start in MKE and fan out to outstations, where other airlines mostly first bank from outstations and flow into the hubs.



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5664 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 17):
F9 has quite a few RON's in DEN.

So true. I got to DEN @ 400a and had a WN departure to MCI at 640a. I had some time to kill, so I walked around Concourse A and about half of the jetbridges were taken with various animalia. Most of the Signs at the gates were still off though. It was around 4, I imagine that most had 7-8a departures to various cities. UA on the other hand had very few planes. What UA did have was mostly A320 and larger.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5664 times:



Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 4):
WN RON's about 35 birds at MDW, and a bunch at BNA...

wow that is a lot...how many gates does WN have at MDW?


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5655 times:

Speaking of outsations, airports like OKC have lots of RON's on many airlines. F9's early 6-7am departure, NW's 5:50a departure, UA's 6-7am departures to ORD & DEN, DL's 6am departure to ATL. I've been on the 7am departure to CVG before.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5611 times:



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, for example, the only RONs for Northwest at Memphis would be inbounds from Detroit and Minneapolis...am I crazy for saying this?

No, I think you are correct. I've sat on many a delayed MEM-ORD flight and watched everything else leave. I'm trying to remember... there may be some 9E aircraft, but maybe not.



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25 Transpac787 : Did you see all the AA RON's at Con-C?? You would think DEN is a focus city they RON so many S80's with us. The exact number changes with every sched
26 Super80DFW : Only saw what was parked at the gates. Delta RON's 5 planes at OKC.
27 SkyexRamper : Midwest itself, 717/MD-80s, only RON at MSP, MCI, OMA and do a red-eye turn to LAS. Of course Midwest Connect, it's a shame I can't just say skyway,
28 AS739X : 3 the 8 Alaska RON a/c go to Mexico. Most Mexico flights are thru flights around 9-10am. Alaska has around 30 planes RON in Seattle ASSFO
29 JetBlueGuy2006 : In Lansing, NW usually RON like 2-3, the late night SF-3, DC-9 from DTW and when it operates, the DC-9 from MSP. United RON's one Delta RON's the earl
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : Where do the majority of the DeltaShuttle birds rest? I'm guessing DCA/LGA?
31 Flysherwood : I have noticed a lot of NWA planes that RON at IND.
32 A10warthog : When I worked at MQ, they would try to get as much of the scheduled MTX out of the hubs. Let the Hubs deal with the planes that broke there during the
33 DeltAirlines : Delta Shuttle I think does 3 in BOS - there's the 600a, 630a and 730a Shuttles to LGA. There's 3 RONs in LGA for BOS flights (the 600a, 630a and 730a
34 Cubsrule : ...and of course, there's the great race up to MQT every night.
35 Super80DFW : Doesn't MQ gave a maintenance base for the Saab340 at LAW? I have heard that before.
36 Mexicana757 : Southwest has 29 gates at MDW. So I assume 29 airplanes RON at the gates while six others are sent to the hangars for maintenance, probably more.
37 Super80DFW : That sounds like a lot of RON's. MDW doesn't have to many early morning departures do they? Most of the a/c would have to go into the hub before the
38 RedTailDTW : AA will sometimes RON about 5 or 6 aircraft here in TUS. 2 planes are at the gate and all the rest are parked further out on the tarmac. It looks like
39 Bartonsayswhat : YYJ, being the end of the line, and being small only has 6-7 rons. AC E190 and A320, Dash 8 100/00 and one night a week a CRJ QX Q400 WS 737-700(wingl
40 Spoke2Spoke : Thanks for the info Skyexramper. I'm intrigued by Midwest's RON locations. Everyone else, do yourself a favor and look at Skyexramper's hilarious phot
41 Us330 : AA RON's quite a few at DFW--I know from experience, having taken either the first flight out to LGA or BDL several times. At DFW, you have to realize
42 Sideflare75 : 95%??? So that means that 36 out of their 38 aircraft are in MKE every night? Not even close my friend. MCI gets 7 I think, DCA was at 2 last I knew.
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