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Ansett & Air New Zealand Fleet Re-equipment  
User currently offlineMEA From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 631 posts, RR: 0
Posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

I was just wondering if anyone has an idea how Ansett & Air New Zealand are going with their fleet update plans.

I heard that Ansett may take up additional B744s for the US & European markets and also some B777s for Asian services all leased through Singapore Airlines.

It would be nice to see both airlines order the A340 & use this aircraft on routes not operated by QANTAS, eg, Athens, Beirut, Cairo, Zurich, Amsterdam and San Francisco

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13267 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Don't know how long this will take and I have also heard that AN is looking for more 744s, but A340s I would say are very unlikely. 777s more likely, however. Ultimately, it depends on the two airlines' financial position - particularly Ansett's.

User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

I think ex Singapore Airlines A340s will be leased to Ansett for new routes to Asia. Personally I would like to see both AN and NZ acquire the A340/A330 - the A340s is perfectly suited to NZs long thin routes.
Ansett will alsohave to acquire a couple more 744s in order to for it to launch its much rumoured SYD-LAX service.

User currently offlineAduum From Australia, joined Sep 2000, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Tell me again why did Singapore buy Ansett....was it so they could make money by leasing them their old used planes?

User currently offlineQantasA330 From Iraq, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2973 times:

Ansett has been recording its lowest passenger loads in its history. Right now they are more worried about getting their passengers back, before they worry about getting new planes. With UAL flying to LAX, and NZ... I personally don't believe AN NEEDS to have a YSSY-KLAX route. I may be wrong about all of this - but I wouldn't be too suprised If no orders came for a while.

Kindest Regards,

User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2962 times:

Qanats A330 - where did you get your info about Ansett recording its lowest pax loads in history? that is certainly NOT true and I know this for a fact. Sound like a load of bollocks to me...

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

i´d say if AN is getting some planes for new routes to the US, they got some 744s from SQ, perhaps one or two form NZ, because they want to pass on their SYD-LAX route to AN.


If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineNZ152 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

This subject has been discussed quite a bit here lately - check the archives. There's a lot of information that should be of interest to you.

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

AirNZ is going to be releasing it's statement of what aircrafts they are going to acquire in March.

The SYD-LAX is a very good route for AirNZ. So what they are planning to do is get Ansett to start up a Route from MEL-LAX, and maybe BNE-LAX.

Ansett has set it's eyes on the A321 for a a replacement for the 737-300 which are aging. This will be released in March for this oreder.

In relation to Ansett having problems with there p[assengers it is the other way round. Qantas is loosing it's passengers to other carriers such as Virgin Blue, Impulse and Ansett. Ansett's loads have increased considerably. About 3%. There flights are now operating on a Basis of 71% full. Great load if you ask me!

AirNZ isdiffenately considering these aircrafts.

B744LR vs A380
B767-400 vs A330
B737NG vs A32X.

As you see these are the aircrafts they are looking at and nothing else.

They also are replacing there AirNZ eagle fleet with these aircrafts

J32's and Beech1900's.

Hope this helps


I think in Future we will see Ansett in the European Market but not NZ. I think NZ will expand into USA and Asia!


User currently offlineQantasA330 From Iraq, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

I read it in a local newspaper... The Denver Post. They said that because of Virgin Blue and Impulse, Ansett was losing pass. - Qantas was losing pax aswell but not nearly what was losing.

*This is just what I read in a newspaper... Don't kill the messenger.

Kindest Regards,

User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

AN would be replacing NZ on the SYD-LAX route for branding purposes. Australians are more likely to identify Ansett as an airline which would offer this route than they are NZ. Whether this service ends up using ex-SQ 744s or ex NZ 744s or a slimmer chance ex SQ A340s remains to be seen.

Gary Toomey has only been in the chair for 2 weeks as CEO of NZ/AN so he will be busy addressing a huge range of issues, one of which is fleet renewal, AN domestic first then NZ domestic which is a much smaller operation. One certainty is that whatever aircraft is decided will be used for both airlines.

There is no likelihood that AN will order A32X whilst NZ order 737NG or one A330, the other 764. It will be one or the other, otherwise synergies offerred by the merged airlines will be lost.

Both AN and QF are naturally losing some market share to the newcomers but the newcomers have grown the market so some of their pax are people who would have otherwise driven or caught a bus or train. AN has lost a greater share than QF because of other issues such as bad publicity resulting from 762 safety checks, lack of capacity compared with QF's 763s.

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (15 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Sorry A330, didnot mean to Shoot you.


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