RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 11166 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16630 times:
Somehow he gets approved to carry a gun in the flight deck, which means he had to pass a lot of screening. But then does the stupid thing of drinking and then flying. He'll watch his life go down the crapper.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
All he can do at this point is enroll at AA, get some help, prove he is getting help, and ask for forgiveness. If he is forgiven, he gets a second chance, but he will stand on very thin ice for the rest of his aviation life. If he's not, his pilot-life is over. Nobody else will hire him.
Who cares about his life? He needs to care about the hundreds of other lives he's responsible for.
Quoting Juventus (Reply 4): All he can do at this point is enroll at AA, get some help, prove he is getting help, and ask for forgiveness.
Sorry, call me harsh, but I don't believe he should be rehired. You have one shot at it, you blow it, you blow it. What tells you he won't do it again? Do you want to risk it? What if something had happened to the passenger?
PhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15749 times:
Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 8): Sorry, call me harsh, but I don't believe he should be rehired. You have one shot at it, you blow it, you blow it. What tells you he won't do it again? Do you want to risk it? What if something had happened to the passenger?
Suggest you do some research on the FAA HIMS program. Seems as though the professionals disagree with you.
You dont really "enroll" at AA, but rather just show up and be with other people who also have ZERO control over their drinking and take suggestions from them on how to live your life free of such bondage!
But ,yeah, poor guy has prbably blown alot of opportunity and it appears to me from this forum that many more crews than realized have similar issues!
OK , flame me now, but I think union issues may sometimes get in the way of recognizing early on that a problem exists and that intervention could save some carreers, like having other members police each other during RON's or something , but I suppose that would be too intrusive,, NO easy solutions but the penalties for this carreer are quite ruinous!
BlueSkys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15010 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 4): All he can do at this point is enroll at AA, get some help, prove he is getting help, and ask for forgiveness
The problem is AA does not help, and yet people are forced to go. AA tries to take away peoples will power, and tell them they are 'powerless' to their 'disease'. And no matter how long you have abstained from alcohol they still tell you that you are an alcoholic! "Hi, I am bill and i have not drank for 15 years, i am an alcoholic" NO YOUR NOT BILL!!!
I have seen peoples lives get really messed up because of AA, it ruines more lives then it helps, and those it helps it does not help properly.
If someone needs to quit, just stop drinking. There are really good methods of quitting addictions, AA is not one of them.
On Topic, the guy made a very stupid mistake! The problem is, until most people get caught, they rationalize it to themselves that they are not doing anything wrong.
727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14908 times:
Uh, did any of you actually read the article. Less of what his attorney said, but more of what the company said at the end of the article. Paraphrasing, but the Midwest Airlines spokesmand said that the company limit is .02 pBAC and that the pilot blew less than that.
Hogan said no charges have been filed. A call to the airport police department seeking more details of the arrest was not returned.
The pilot has not flown since that day and will not fly until Midwest completes an investigation into the incident, said Michael Brophy, the airline's spokesman. The airline followed its standard policy of removing him and launching an investigation, he said.
"The safety of our passengers and our employees is critical to us, so when these kind of issues arise we take them seriously and investigate them and take immediate action as appropriate," Brophy said. "But because we haven't completed the investigation we can't draw any conclusions as to how this is going to turn out."
Midwest's alcohol policy sets a limit of 0.02 for pilots, Brophy said, noting the pilot's blood alcohol level came in below that.
He would not say if the pilot was being paid pending his removal from flying.>> From the KSTP.com article.
Why are we always ready to hang the pilot in our society before we actually investigate to see if there is cause. We take the word of the person just hired from McDonalds to make sure that your shoes are in the little gray tub as the gospel. I guess I shouldn't be surprised on these boards, after all we start a new argument every week on when NW will retire the DC-9s.
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2078 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14780 times:
727forever's Post is the only one that makes sense. The guy's BAC was less than .02. He wasn't drunk. He wasn't under the influence. Mouthwash, or breath spray could trigger that reading. One beer will create about a .03 to .04 or more. The guy who should be fired is the TSA schmuck who said he smelled like alcohol. No way could he have smelled like alcohol with a reading that low. Are Midwest's pilots non union? Where is ALPA on this? And why was he arrested? In Most States, a BAC below .04 is conclusive proof someone is not under the influence, i.e., they cannot be arrested or prosecuted. Here, the pilot's BAC level was less than HALF that. I don't want to be suspended, but before you kids start trashing this guy, read the article. The guy's career is not in the toilet.
YYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1084 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14157 times:
"A source confirmed tests showed Acree's alcohol levels as high as 0.16; twice the legal limit to drive"
Where did that quote come from then?[/quote]
Not from that article. There is also nothing about a weapon in the article. Are we talking about the same incident?
FWIW, my take is that the TSA guy did the right thing - suspicion of alcohol in flight crew? call the authorities. I'm sure fellow crew or airline operations would do the same thing, and rightly so - heck I'm sure that pilot would do the same thing. Then, they should certainly investigate, and will likely need to replace the pilot on that flight (if for no other reason than to make sure, as portable "roadside" breathalizers are only but so reliable).