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Drunk Pilot Arrested At MSP  
User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 15256 times:

"Pilot arrested at MSP airport for being drunk, carrying weapon"

"A source confirmed tests showed Acree's alcohol levels as high as 0.16; twice the legal limit to drive"


http://kstp.com/article/stories/S262046.shtml?cat=1



WTF was he thinking? Kiss his aviation career bye-bye  banghead 

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User currently offlineHUbsnotDubs From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 15256 times:

This is always sad, but so avoidable.

User currently offlineNuori5084 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 15164 times:



Quoting HUbsnotDubs (Reply 1):
This is always sad, but so avoidable.

Sad? You've got to be kidding.




We all have choices in life and being responsible should be number one. I have no remorse for this guy.



Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 15150 times:

Somehow he gets approved to carry a gun in the flight deck, which means he had to pass a lot of screening. But then does the stupid thing of drinking and then flying. He'll watch his life go down the crapper.


If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14705 times:



Quoting Lobster (Thread starter):
WTF was he thinking?

That's the problem, he wasn't.

All he can do at this point is enroll at AA, get some help, prove he is getting help, and ask for forgiveness. If he is forgiven, he gets a second chance, but he will stand on very thin ice for the rest of his aviation life. If he's not, his pilot-life is over. Nobody else will hire him.


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14662 times:

Maybe he can get hired in Saudi Arabia for domestic flights. That should eliminate the drinking.  Wink


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14530 times:



Quoting Nuori5084 (Reply 2):
We all have choices in life and being responsible should be number one. I have no remorse for this guy.

I agree, but I'd hate to be him when he woke up the next morning.



Flying Colors Forever!
User currently offlineBoeing12345 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14319 times:

Another week of Midwest Airlines making the news.

User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14320 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
He'll watch his life go down the crapper.

Who cares about his life? He needs to care about the hundreds of other lives he's responsible for.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
All he can do at this point is enroll at AA, get some help, prove he is getting help, and ask for forgiveness.

Sorry, call me harsh, but I don't believe he should be rehired. You have one shot at it, you blow it, you blow it. What tells you he won't do it again? Do you want to risk it? What if something had happened to the passenger?


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14269 times:



Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 8):
Sorry, call me harsh, but I don't believe he should be rehired. You have one shot at it, you blow it, you blow it. What tells you he won't do it again? Do you want to risk it? What if something had happened to the passenger?

Suggest you do some research on the FAA HIMS program. Seems as though the professionals disagree with you.


User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14257 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 9):
Suggest you do some research on the FAA HIMS program.

Will do, but care to elaborate?


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14133 times:



Quoting Nuori5084 (Reply 2):
We all have choices in life and being responsible should be number one. I have no remorse for this guy.

Yes, and I agree. But it is a shame that one VERY stupid act destroyes his life.

Look how many drunk drivers are allowed to enter treatment and get drivers liscence back.

Isn't there some way for him to pull himself into treatment and come back to work?

Though it should be with checks etc for the rest of his flying career.

A link from the Ohio State Bar about the FAA HIMS program:

http://www.ohiobar.org/pub/lycu/index.asp?articleid=416


Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13943 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):

All he can do at this point is enroll at AA

You dont really "enroll" at AA, but rather just show up and be with other people who also have ZERO control over their drinking and take suggestions from them on how to live your life free of such bondage!

But ,yeah, poor guy has prbably blown alot of opportunity and it appears to me from this forum that many more crews than realized have similar issues!

OK , flame me now, but I think union issues may sometimes get in the way of recognizing early on that a problem exists and that intervention could save some carreers, like having other members police each other during RON's or something , but I suppose that would be too intrusive,, NO easy solutions but the penalties for this carreer are quite ruinous!


User currently offlineJpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13597 times:

Bump +1 for the seniority list.

User currently offlineBlueSkys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13530 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
All he can do at this point is enroll at AA, get some help, prove he is getting help, and ask for forgiveness

The problem is AA does not help, and yet people are forced to go. AA tries to take away peoples will power, and tell them they are 'powerless' to their 'disease'. And no matter how long you have abstained from alcohol they still tell you that you are an alcoholic! "Hi, I am bill and i have not drank for 15 years, i am an alcoholic" NO YOUR NOT BILL!!!

I have seen peoples lives get really messed up because of AA, it ruines more lives then it helps, and those it helps it does not help properly.

If someone needs to quit, just stop drinking. There are really good methods of quitting addictions, AA is not one of them.



On Topic, the guy made a very stupid mistake! The problem is, until most people get caught, they rationalize it to themselves that they are not doing anything wrong.


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13428 times:

Uh, did any of you actually read the article. Less of what his attorney said, but more of what the company said at the end of the article. Paraphrasing, but the Midwest Airlines spokesmand said that the company limit is .02 pBAC and that the pilot blew less than that.

<
Hogan said no charges have been filed. A call to the airport police department seeking more details of the arrest was not returned.

The pilot has not flown since that day and will not fly until Midwest completes an investigation into the incident, said Michael Brophy, the airline's spokesman. The airline followed its standard policy of removing him and launching an investigation, he said.

"The safety of our passengers and our employees is critical to us, so when these kind of issues arise we take them seriously and investigate them and take immediate action as appropriate," Brophy said. "But because we haven't completed the investigation we can't draw any conclusions as to how this is going to turn out."

Midwest's alcohol policy sets a limit of 0.02 for pilots, Brophy said, noting the pilot's blood alcohol level came in below that.

He would not say if the pilot was being paid pending his removal from flying.>> From the KSTP.com article.


Why are we always ready to hang the pilot in our society before we actually investigate to see if there is cause. We take the word of the person just hired from McDonalds to make sure that your shoes are in the little gray tub as the gospel. I guess I shouldn't be surprised on these boards, after all we start a new argument every week on when NW will retire the DC-9s.

727forever



727forever
User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1988 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13300 times:

727forever's Post is the only one that makes sense. The guy's BAC was less than .02. He wasn't drunk. He wasn't under the influence. Mouthwash, or breath spray could trigger that reading. One beer will create about a .03 to .04 or more. The guy who should be fired is the TSA schmuck who said he smelled like alcohol. No way could he have smelled like alcohol with a reading that low. Are Midwest's pilots non union? Where is ALPA on this? And why was he arrested? In Most States, a BAC below .04 is conclusive proof someone is not under the influence, i.e., they cannot be arrested or prosecuted. Here, the pilot's BAC level was less than HALF that. I don't want to be suspended, but before you kids start trashing this guy, read the article. The guy's career is not in the toilet.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13299 times:



Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 14):
it ruines more lives then it helps



Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 14):
and those it helps it does not help properly.

Where are the stats for these allegations? It would definitely help your statements if it was backed with facts.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13265 times:



Quoting Lobster (Thread starter):
"A source confirmed tests showed Acree's alcohol levels as high as 0.16; twice the legal limit to drive"

Where did that quote come from then?



Another Day, Another Dollar.... Young Jeezy
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13178 times:



Quoting Milesrich (Reply 16):
727forever's Post is the only one that makes sense.

The article is bullshit. When this thread was originally posted the article stated that the pilot blew a .15. the article has since changed to say less then .01. Once again the media has screwed up.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13105 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 19):
Once again the media has screwed up.

The media never get it right. It comes down to selling a story to the public to get the ratings, at the cost of poor reporting. At least the media is consistent about this.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13068 times:



Quoting Lobster (Thread starter):
"Pilot arrested at MSP airport for being drunk, carrying weapon"

Why was this thread altered? Because no where does it mention a gun and the pilot is probably an FFDO.


User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12677 times:

"A source confirmed tests showed Acree's alcohol levels as high as 0.16; twice the legal limit to drive"

Where did that quote come from then?[/quote]

Not from that article. There is also nothing about a weapon in the article. Are we talking about the same incident?

FWIW, my take is that the TSA guy did the right thing - suspicion of alcohol in flight crew? call the authorities. I'm sure fellow crew or airline operations would do the same thing, and rightly so - heck I'm sure that pilot would do the same thing. Then, they should certainly investigate, and will likely need to replace the pilot on that flight (if for no other reason than to make sure, as portable "roadside" breathalizers are only but so reliable).

But why suspend him if he was below the limit?


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12612 times:



Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 22):
But why suspend him if he was below the limit?

It is company policy to suspend someone for at least 3 days while they investigate any type of serious incident that could be in violation of company policy.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12575 times:



Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 22):
"A source confirmed tests showed Acree's alcohol levels as high as 0.16; twice the legal limit to drive"

Where did that quote come from then?

Not from that article. There is also nothing about a weapon in the article. Are we talking about the same incident? [/quote]

Both were in the article when this thread was first posted. Now it has disappeared. Looks like the media is up to its usual dishonest tricks.


25 YYZYYT : Most likely, the "source" wasn't as informed as he or she claimed. Makes sense. Now, let's get back to discussing those DC9s'[Edited 2007-11-20 08:56
26 Post contains links PhilSquares : Amazing what a search on Google can turn up! http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/A...emid=10994&ModuleId=6602&Tabid=256 Not to beat a dead horse, but
27 EWRCabincrew : Regardless of what was or wasn't said, what the alcohol was or wasn't and what was reported how to what degree, the bottom line is crew shouldn't have
28 B777A340Fan : Ahhh sarcasm! While the report that I found was nearly 25 pages long, I was asking what specific you were referring to. All the above comments are of
29 Post contains links TVNWZ : Milwaukee article playing up the was he? Wasn't he? angle. Nice pix of the pilot. Remembeer, smile when you get booked. You look less guilty. http://w
30 Daus : UPDATE: Midwest says pilot wasn't drunk A Midwest Airlines pilot suspected of being drunk before a scheduled flight from the Twin Cities International
31 PhilSquares : First of all, why do you now qualify your remarks? Secondly, where is the implication that drinking is tolerated? Finally your position was he should
32 EWRCabincrew : He should know better than to use these types of products. Like I posted before
33 Post contains images YYZYYT : Geez, there's some strong allegations in that story: "Airport documents obtained by that Minneapolis TV station reveal that Acree failed two of three
34 B777A340Fan : No, I said he should not be rehired.
35 Isitsafenow : Once again, I side with MilesRich post 16. No where in the above article was the work DRUNK used. If you blow a .01' or .02 you are good to go as far
36 727forever : If the guy has donkey a** breath, I would rather that he use the product to knock it down than to have to sit up there in that little closet of a roo
37 Lobster : Last night when KSTP first posted it, the article was on of the top three in BOLD letters kind a deal. This quote was cut and pasted from their origi
38 EWRCabincrew : Personal hygiene is paramount to a customer service job or any job where you are in close proximity to others. Pilots included. So you would risk you
39 DCrawley : This thread is an excellent example of why you should take everything you read from a media outlet with a grain of salt. It is sad how many people on
40 SaturnVRocket : Get real, dude. The guy was in hot water because people love to jump to conclusions. This thread is proof of that.
41 EWRCabincrew : Hey dude. I am real. I know enough not to use products that may get me into hot water or jeopardise my job. He should too. Why give anybody any reaso
42 RoseFlyer : The article changed from what it said when the thread was originally posted!!!!! The first few comments on this article are from when the article conf
43 YYZYYT : 727forever, I was with you on your first post above, but am not sure I fully agree here... Should airlines put pressure on TSA - or anyone - to NOT r
44 777STL : Honestly, I think you're arguing one giant moot point here. The blood test proved him to be under the legal limit, the breathlyzer is irrelevant. Fur
45 777-200 : I know, right.. I mean shit the Atkins diet low carb diet can raise your BAC
46 Threepoint : I understand the message of your posts, but it appears you may need to preach less of a Temperance tone for us to take your stance seriously. Airline
47 Cubsrule : I know you work in the industry, but I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you anyway. My disagreement comes from your assertion that this pilot kn
48 Post contains links BlueSkys : Just google how AA hurts people. I have met Many Many people that were really hurt by AA and wasted many many years being 'helpless' and relapsing. I
49 Ca2ohHP : This guy blew a 0.01 and people think it's "Drunk?" TSA = Trained Sniffers of Alcohol
50 Falzone : I don't understand why he needed to be arrested. Then again, moving your feet too much in the mens room stall will get you arrested at MSP.
51 ZTagged : I can't seem to find that line anywhere in the article. o_O
52 EWRCabincrew : They aren't to be held in a postion any higher. Ever. Never said or implied they were. It wasn't meant to be rigid advice, more using common sense wi
53 B777A340Fan : Ignorant? Because I stand by my position that I don't want anyone drinking piloting my plane? Yes, I am way overboard. Sorry, but personally knowing
54 Post contains images Lobster : Then maybe we should take the time to read the whole thread huh?
55 Post contains links JohnJ : A commercial airlines pilot detained at Twin Cities International with alcohol on his breath won't be charged with a crime. Authorities arrested the M
56 777STL : Good lord, have you read any of this thread? The pilot tested with a .016, as in under the FAA legal limit and under his employer's limit. .016 is no
57 RIXrat : I see the error now. Someone at the TV station made a typo, or misheard that the pilot tested at 0.16. Whoever that was misplaced the period. It shoul
58 Cubsrule : ...because he had NO IDEA that BAC would need to be taken.
59 Nuori5084 : Has anyone else received a nice, mature IM by the member named: "CalCaptRet?" He apparently felt an urgency to IM me saying "How about you read the ar
60 SaturnVRocket : I am NOT an expert in addiction, but my 2 cents worth is that of ALL the people I know who go to AA meetings, they replaced their alcohol addictions
61 AR385 : My name is Martin, and I am an Alcoholic AA saved me from a lonely, miserable death. It gave me back my family. It gave me back a productive, useful,
62 Post contains images Flysherwood : I had no idea the Rev. Jimmy Swaggart was on A.net. A quote you may want to think about is "... he, who is without sin, shall cast the first stone...
63 Post contains images Warszawa : Wow, unbelieveable. I dont blame the police officers, or TSA, I think they did the right thing. However, the MEDIA, did the complete wrong thing, with
64 Post contains images BlueSkys : Martin, I have attended many AA meetings for research for a university paper...Please refer to my post #49. I have also had a problem with alcohol th
65 Threepoint : He (the pilot) was., He was. He was. In all cases above, it appears evident that the pilot in question was inline with all federal, company and commo
66 Post contains images Express1 : Totally agree,this guy is supposed to have responsibilities for is crew,and welfare of his passengers and since he has blown all his chances out of t
67 Post contains links Lobster : "Investigation Clears Midwest Pilot Arrested At MSP" http://wcco.com/crime/pilot.arrested.drunk.2.591743.html "A Midwest Airlines pilot was arrested i
68 YYZYYT : Um, Dave, have you actually read beyond the first 3 posts? The thing is, the report was WRONG. He was not drunk, he was below the legal limit (not th
69 RIXrat : Sorry to be abrupt, but have you read the complete thread, or are you just jumping in to the fray of late starters? The pilot tested negative, and ev
70 777STL : Damn, and I thought this lack of reading comprehension was just an American thing. Snap!
71 TACAA320 : Just plain stupid from him.
72 Express1 : Ah ok i'l take it all back then sorry guys dave
73 AR385 : Yes. He does abuses alcohol but not out of pleasure. He simply can't stop. No matter how strongly he wants too, he won't stop. Physically he can't. A
74 EWRCabincrew : My point exactly. You never know. Gum, Listerine, breathspray, a diet, whatever. Now front page media. C'est la vie. I am hardly preaching. Do what y
75 Post contains images Flysherwood : Yes you are and you have been throughout the thread. I truly hope that you are never falsely accused of anything. It will be a complete shock to your
76 JohnJ : Gum... listerine... breathspray... a diet.... multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit. I suspect this guy's career will recover just fine, but not be
77 LTBEWR : I hope and I am quite sure a serious investigation will be done on this man before he flies again. He may have a drinking problem, or just drank too m
78 BlueSkys : I have read the blue book, I still have a different point of view though. I do not see alcoholism as a 'disease', and i do not believe that brain str
79 Bok269 : I'm glad to hear the pilot in this case wasn't in fact in violation of any crime. If this (and the UA Captain) was the TSA's doing, I hope that all th
80 777STL : And when was the last time an airline employee was fired for using mouthwash? My point exactly.
81 Post contains links DCrawley : Yes, you have been ignorant in your posts. Just so we are on the same page, let's define ignorant: ig-no-rant; adj. 1. Lacking in knowledge or traini
82 SirDeath : I see that the Northwest "customer service" problems have spread to Midwest. OK, jokes aside, I hope the union sticks with this guy and lets him salva
83 Post contains links 2175301 : Hope this helps the debate: From the Milwaukee Journal this afternoon www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=11/20/2007&id=32072 TUESDAY, Nov. 20, 2007,
84 N917ME : OK, so for all you who wanted to crucify this guy,,, I think an apology is in order. It never ceases to amaze me how quick and judgemental people are
85 Isitsafenow : I do not think you have read most of the posts above your #77. The man doe not have a drinking or alcohol problem He appears to like to use alot of m
86 IndyWA : I'm a flight attendant myself...but do you REALLY expect me to not use a good mouthwash or gum or breathspray just because of this? I love my job and
87 EWRCabincrew : I am very much into my job. Why is that a bad thing? Customers love it, as do my co-workers. Ask any one of them. My job is just that, my job. It is
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