Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1477 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1774 times:
Chris you must have been bored!
Might be snow blind but don't forget Virgin. My guess is still 744's, A346's and 748's, Branson having deferred his A388's for A389's
Between now and 2015 SAA will have disposed of it's A346's, will lease 777's, then dumped those for A350XWB's and will by 2015 be pondering chopping those in for 748's and still loosing money on two of the worlds most profitable air routes.
Suspect we might see Groupo TACA and Vietnam Airlines also gracing the skies above West London with A350's and 777's respectively
Yes I know but of all the European LoCos Norwegian are the ones I can most forsee biting the bullet and getting LHR slots. I just think that they will have such a big share of UK-Norway traffic by 2015 if their expansion plans go ahead as planned, then they would probably have to look at LGW or LHR as an addition to their STN base here. If its just one departure to OSL daily I can see them going via LHR and timing it to go after the biz pax who are increasingly getting tired with SK in my experience. I wouldnt count them out by any means.
How likely is it that SK will retain the dual fleet into 2015? Personally I think they'll keep the Airbuses and get a load of ERJ170 and 190s, and dump the 737s while they still have value, or second them to Blue1 etc. Sooner or later they'll have to simplify their short haul fleet. I can see them getting rid of the 736 post haste and this lessens the case for keeping the other 737s. Its 800s and 700s isnt it?
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
Quoting Shankly (Reply 2): Suspect we might see Groupo TACA and Vietnam Airlines also gracing the skies above West London with A350's and 777's respectively
Can totally see that happening - amazing we dont have a direct link to Vietnam yet really. I can see them using 787s though.
TACA would be a most welcome addition too.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
Someone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 2820 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1670 times:
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3): How likely is it that SK will retain the dual fleet into 2015? Personally I think they'll keep the Airbuses and get a load of ERJ170 and 190s, and dump the 737s while they still have value, or second them to Blue1 etc. Sooner or later they'll have to simplify their short haul fleet. I can see them getting rid of the 736 post haste and this lessens the case for keeping the other 737s. Its 800s and 700s isnt it?
SAS will keep the 737 alongside the 32x. Remember SAS Airline is divided into 4. One for each country + one for the IC traffic, hence having both Boeing and Airbuses are no problem. SAS Norway even operates on a separate AOC.
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3): Yes I know but of all the European LoCos Norwegian are the ones I can most forsee biting the bullet and getting LHR slots. I just think that they will have such a big share of UK-Norway traffic by 2015 if their expansion plans go ahead as planned, then they would probably have to look at LGW or LHR as an addition to their STN base here. If its just one departure to OSL daily I can see them going via LHR and timing it to go after the biz pax who are increasingly getting tired with SK in my experience. I wouldnt count them out by any means.
SK is increasing their market shares between Scandinavia and UK, and remember Norwegian doesn't have business class or economy extra, which SAS does, and especially economy extra seems to be popular into LHR on week days. What I've heard is that SAS does well between Oslo and London, while BA is struggling and Ryanair is feeling the competition from Norwegian who are increasing from OSL.
And Norwegian already flies both to STN and LGW. So far they only fly 3 or 4 times weekly to LGW from OSL, compared to 2x daily from OSL.
At the moment the production between Oslo and London is:
OSL-LHR 9x daily (5xSAS and 4xBA)
OSL-STN 2x daily (Norwegian)
OSL-LGW 6x weekly (3xNorwegian and 3xSterling)
TRF-STN 2xdaily (Ryanair)
Norwegian also has another disadvantge flying into LHR and that is feed. SAS feed into the other Star Alliance partners and BA into their own network, while Norwegian is O/D only
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1607 times:
Quoting APYu (Reply 4): Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Thread starter):
what we are likely to see at LHR around 2015
Long queues at security (Sorry I couldnt resist)
No you mean long queues to get into the very long queues at security!
What else will we see?
No discernable, practical, clear way of checking in more than a line of four people in T3 without them blocking anyone else in.
Hordes of people with English passports who do not speak a bloody word of English.
Mr Sanjeez Patel and Mrs Bhupinder Oza travelling to Mumbai and Mr Unichi Yamasato travelling to Osaka will still never answer their Tannoy calls and still be gobsmacked when they find their plane has departed.
SAS will still not have found your luggage. You flew with Kenya Airways to Nairobi of course, but SAS still have your luggage and will return it “In a few days”.
There still won’t be anywhere to get something hot and filling in T3 for under a tenner.
You’ll still be able to hand over £100.00 to the exchange bureaus and get US$46.35 in return but will still smile because they gave you a cool little wallet to put it in.
The same people you pass in the departure lounge for your outbound flight looking glassy-eyed and listless wandering about like a lost soul will still be there when you get back.
The security people doing the checks will still go through the motions as slowly as possible, but not actually check anything.
You will still suspect you could smuggle a leaking suitcase overfilled with carrier bags full of weapons grade pure Bolivian marching powder and several hand grenades through and never get lifted.
You will also still know full well that as soon as you wear a belt with a large buckle or an excess of jewellery you will be all but strip searched right there in front of the queues.
Every time you see someone have a go at someone else for pushing in the security queue, the culprit will still suddenly not speak a word of English.
Every time you see the VS flight attendants walking around looking stunning in red, you will spend at least ten minutes in deep thought as to why you don’t fly VS more often.
Every time you see the VS economy class passengers walking around shoplifting, spitting, shouting and looking dodgy in Burberry, you will spend at least ten seconds in deep thought remembering why you don’t fly VS more often.
Every single time you go through LHR you will see the Policelady who was in ‘Airport’ – everytime. Without fail.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1588 times:
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6): Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Yes I know but of all the European LoCos Norwegian are the ones I can most forsee biting the bullet and getting LHR slots. I just think that they will have such a big share of UK-Norway traffic by 2015 if their expansion plans go ahead as planned, then they would probably have to look at LGW or LHR as an addition to their STN base here. If its just one departure to OSL daily I can see them going via LHR and timing it to go after the biz pax who are increasingly getting tired with SK in my experience. I wouldnt count them out by any means.
SK is increasing their market shares between Scandinavia and UK, and remember Norwegian doesn't have business class or economy extra, which SAS does, and especially economy extra seems to be popular into LHR on week days. What I've heard is that SAS does well between Oslo and London, while BA is struggling and Ryanair is feeling the competition from Norwegian who are increasing from OSL.
And Norwegian already flies both to STN and LGW. So far they only fly 3 or 4 times weekly to LGW from OSL, compared to 2x daily from OSL.
At the moment the production between Oslo and London is:
OSL-LHR 9x daily (5xSAS and 4xBA)
OSL-STN 2x daily (Norwegian)
OSL-LGW 6x weekly (3xNorwegian and 3xSterling)
TRF-STN 2xdaily (Ryanair)
Norwegian also has another disadvantge flying into LHR and that is feed. SAS feed into the other Star Alliance partners and BA into their own network, while Norwegian is O/D only
I wasnt aware that NO already flew to LGW - I apologise.
I think the trend of companies shunning business class travel in favour of economy and premium economy travel will eventually mean that for short haul, the lines between the legacies and the LoCos will become increasingly blurred - the higher yielding LoCos will start to look to LHR - not in the next couple of years but give it five or six and I would think there will be some LoCo flights at LHR, I really do. The third runway will clinch it.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
The third runway will still exist only on paper and powerpoint slides - Heathrow East will be finished but the CTA will still look like a set of roadworks on the M1
APYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 758 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1415 times:
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7): you will see the Policelady who was in ‘Airport’ – everytime. Without fail
Is she still there? What about Michelle the dippy Terminal Ops Manager - She was my fave - her unforgettable 'Pause to Remember' P.A. on Rememberence day still brings a tear to my eye.
We'd like to welcome in particular our Executive Club members and those joining us from our Oneworld alliance partners.
Someone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 2820 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 1126 times:
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8): I wasnt aware that NO already flew to LGW - I apologise.
I think the trend of companies shunning business class travel in favour of economy and premium economy travel will eventually mean that for short haul, the lines between the legacies and the LoCos will become increasingly blurred - the higher yielding LoCos will start to look to LHR - not in the next couple of years but give it five or six and I would think there will be some LoCo flights at LHR, I really do. The third runway will clinch it.
I really can't see any intra-European LCC operating into LHR. Neither do I see Norwegian turn into a full service airline. Remember, alot of the traffic into LHR are feed
I also forgot the two daily SAS flight between OSL and LCY so the list should be like
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1014 times:
Quoting Shankly (Reply 2): Suspect we might see Groupo TACA and Vietnam Airlines also gracing the skies above West London with A350's and 777's respectively
IMO it ain't gonna happen. Just remember back in the day when TA had all sorts of 767s, including ERs. They never even used the ERs on a single revenue transatlantic flight. The only transatlantic hops any of TA's 767s did were for a lease to airlines such as BY, which needed the extra lift during peak season.
It's highly unlikely that you'll see any TA aircraft in West London. CM may be more likely to go to LHR by then, as they're constantly rumoured to be considering the acquisition of long range widebodies to start PTY-MAD and PTY-FRA.
Sponsor Message: 
From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, 
From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 2820 posts, 
From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1477 posts, 
Sorry my bad. 
From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
