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Shocking KLM Y Class Seat Pitch  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 957 times:

I read to day in Airliners World Magazine that KLM's "new" Economy Class has a 31" seat pitch.

The first aircraft to be refitted is a 744.

I am shocked. How could they do this. Or was it a printing error?



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 846 times:

I thought that virtually all major airlines, including your beloved SIA, have 31" in Y class, especially with the new slimline seats.

So whats so shocking about that?


User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 805 times:

I thought 31-32" was pretty standard. Airtours charter flights give a generous 29"!!

User currently offlineNotarzt From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 642 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 784 times:

Yep, refer to Britannia and Airtours for comparison. 32" is pretty standard in these days.

Daniel


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 751 times:

Jaysit: For the first time recently I disagree with you. my "beloved" Singapore Airlines Ltd. Economy Class seat pitch is 32". 1" more than you specified. Sorry dear!

I would expect Charter Airlines to havee less pitch.

A though has just struck me. Why is all the commotion about DVT ono scheduled airlines as they offer more space?! An intriguing paradox.



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User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 722 times:

Singapore Airlines seat pich is 31''. 31'' is standard amonst most airlines.

Avion


User currently offlineSkybutt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 709 times:

I thought Korean had something like 34..
Skybutt


User currently offlineAirbus_a340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 696 times:

"Singapore_Air" :
"Avion" is correct, the seat pitch on Singapore Airlines is 31" not 32"
Regards
Trevor AKA Airbus_A340  



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User currently offlineLBA From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 693 times:

Singapore Air - your presumption that charter airlines would have less pitch is not correct. If they can get away with it they do, in the UK Britannia 767s seat over 320, but in Germany their 767s are configured for about 270. This is because German passengers will not accept cramped conditions. Maybe a lesson we could all learn from?

User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 676 times:

LBA - German pax have to pay more for their flights as a result, though!

User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 666 times:

BA's had that for a decade. I think you'll find SQ is 31" now a days.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 652 times:

Hold on! If what you're all saying is true. I am shocked!

How dare they reduce the seat pitch in Y class by 1".

This is shocking.

Now can we get back to the subject please.

I am disappointed.
I will call Singapore Airlines UK tomorrow





Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 633 times:

Some airlines do offer something slightly better-AirNZ Pacific Class is 34". I'm afraid the ONLY way to better comfort is to pay what I'll admit are unaffordable Business or First Class tickets.

Or get upgraded 


User currently offlineMarcelduchamp From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 622 times:

I think the original post was questioning KLM's audacity at announcing a 31" pitch for their supposedly "improved" product. I think that measurement is still below average for your major long-haul carriers. Of course, every aircraft type within an airline can have different pitches.

Only the bigger ones such as BA, UA and NW use a 31" pitch. Also SR on their new A332s.

32" seems to be average.This would be QF, SQ, CX's Airbuses, LH, JL, EK, VS...

34" is the least common, I guess. It's found mainly on 747s only which have not been refitted with PTVs or new seats. NZ, TG. Not sure if CX has reduced it on their jumbos.

What other "biggies" are there? I'm not too sure about AF or the other American carriers.

BTW, I don't think that SQ has had the opportunity to reduce their seat pitch, even if they wanted to. The "Rainbow" upgrade in EY started as early as '96. There has been no re-configuration to add more seats since. Thus, I think it stays at 32".


User currently offlineRaddog2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 611 times:

Both ANA and Korean offer 34".

User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 613 times:

I know that SR has 32'' on all aircraft. Including the A330.

Avion


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6296 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 600 times:

Ha-ha! Now I know...
Last week I had two Dutch colleagues visiting me, and I had to drive them around to company facilities in my car. I apologized in advance that they had to survive in my tiny little VW Golf and share the legroom - front and back - as if they were friends.
Ha, they said. It can't be worse than the KLM plane on which we arrived.
In my company we always make business trips on economy class when possible, independant on job level.
They said that my VW Golf actually had more legroom than KLM!
I said, okay - then I will charge you business class rate being passengers in my Golf.  
Cheers, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 560 times:

This is strange. Today I visited AMS to do some spotting (at 1 devree celsius! brrrr) and I saw advertisments of their 50% stretched legroom. Ah well, must be their business class.