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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5793 times:

With McKinney, Texas being the fastest growing city in the country, the airport in McKinney is lengthening the runway to 8000 feet to prepare the airport for airline service. The news station I watch, KXAS NBC5 said that a handfull of airlines has already approached the airport about beginning service to the airport. I think they said about 300+ people move to Collin County every week.

The big question is, What airlines do you think will begin service to TKI and to where?

My guesses were:

Skybus: CMH, GSO
Allegiant: LAS, IWA

[Edited 2007-11-20 08:26:48]

[Edited 2007-11-20 08:28:13]


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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5711 times:

I do not believe any airlines will move or begin operations out of McKinney. For most it would not make since. Mckinney is not that far from either DFW or Love Field. PLUS, living in Keller, it would hardly help me.  Smile


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5699 times:



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 1):
living in Keller, it would hardly help me.

Well, for those of us who live in Little Elm, Frisco, McKinney, Plano, it will be more convienent than driving in traffic to DFW or have to make stops to along the way if you fly out of Love. Don't get me wrong, DFW is the best airport in the world to me, but I might not want to pay $300+ to go to Vegas on AA when I could pay $150 on Allegiant (If they were to start operating TKI) and just have a 20 minute drive.



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5665 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 2):
Well, for those of us who live in Little Elm, Frisco, McKinney, Plano, it will be more convienent than driving in traffic to DFW or have to make stops to along the way if you fly out of Love. Don't get me wrong, DFW is the best airport in the world to me, but I might not want to pay $300+ to go to Vegas on AA when I could pay $150 on Allegiant (If they were to start operating TKI) and just have a 20 minute drive.

That is true, but I think airlines will be more intrested in serving a wider part of the metroplex, and will choose DFW. (I do not mention Love because with AA and Southwest there is not a load of revenue potential.



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5643 times:



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 3):
but I think airlines will be more intrested in serving a wider part of the metroplex, and will choose DFW.

I thought most airlines are afraid to start new service to DFW because of AA. I didn't think many new airlines would ever come into DFW unless they are internatinal airlines.



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5627 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 4):
I thought most airlines are afraid to start new service to DFW because of AA. I didn't think many new airlines would ever come into DFW unless they are internatinal airlines.

I suppose an argument could be made for that. There have not been any new airlines launching service in years (as far as I recall), but I have read that some are interrested. I believe I read that Virgin America(?) was interested, and perhaps Spirit(?).



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5620 times:



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 5):
believe I read that Virgin America

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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7532 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5592 times:



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 5):
There have not been any new airlines launching service in years (as far as I recall), but I have read that some are interrested.

KLM is starting service to AMS in March.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

AA has always publically stated it will compete and compete hard for every customer in the north Texas area.

Should an airline start operations there, AA will respond with multiple Saab's to DFW and cut-throat prices to drive the competition out. Then, when the other airline leaves, Eagle will probably pull out as well.

Just as a side note, remember Houston's Ellington Field? Premium passengers got a short hop to IAH with short security lines, but CO couldn't make it work. Something tells me this route won't work either.



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5509 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
KLM is starting service to AMS in March.

This is true, would you have any info on U.S. based airlines launching (or planning to launch) DFW service?

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 4):
thought most airlines are afraid to start new service to DFW because of AA.

F9 launched to Mazatlan from DFW.  hot   sun 



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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

Once Highway 121 is finished, people living in Collin County will be able to get to DFW pretty easily. I doubt much will come of it for at least 20 years or so.


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

Maybe DL could start a CRJ to ATL twice a day and drop one of the 757's. That was one of my other thoughts.


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5440 times:

Also remember that TKI is close to Addison, Texas. Addison is a large Business District along the Dallas North Tollway. Although they have their own airport (KADS), the people that travel to Addison that don't get there by private jets could fly to TKI. Just a thought.


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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

McKinney does not see much traffic. It's all smaller general aviation planes. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind who would fly into there. This would help out what cities? McKinney, Richardson, Allen, Prosper, Plano?

I think anything out of that airport would be dropped quicker than a hot potato.



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User currently offlineLegion242 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5295 times:

I am surprised so many people are willing to dismiss this so readily. That area is BOOMING- the growth is almost surreal. I can definitely see some of the more forward thinking LCC's wanting to serve out of TKI. And I would like to see it. Would AA really go so far as to start a shuttle from TKI to DFW? That sounds weird to me, but I guess anything is possible.


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5243 times:



Quoting Legion242 (Reply 14):
I am surprised so many people are willing to dismiss this so readily. That area is BOOMING- the growth is almost surreal.

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5197 times:



Quoting Legion242 (Reply 14):
I am surprised so many people are willing to dismiss this so readily.

The area has "boomed," but that doesn't mean airlines -- or passengers -- will flock to TKI.

Take a look at the map:

DFW&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=28.805654,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=33.028239,-96.715393&spn=0.475512,0.933838&z=10&om=1" target=_blank>http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...93&spn=0.475512,0.933838&z=10&om=1

The hearts of Frisco, Plano, Richardson, Carrollton, the Colony, Addison, etc. are all either closer or only marginally further to DFW than TKI. I'm not saying it won't happen, it just takes a long, long time to develop an airport for commercial service and get airlines and passengers to use it.

Call back in about 2030.



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5118 times:



Quoting Legion242 (Reply 14):
I am surprised so many people are willing to dismiss this so readily. That area is BOOMING- the growth is almost surreal. I can definitely see some of the more forward thinking LCC's wanting to serve out of TKI. And I would like to see it. Would AA really go so far as to start a shuttle from TKI to DFW? That sounds weird to me, but I guess anything is possible.

I'm very aware of the growth as I lived there from 1989 to mid 2006.

I want to know what market this is going to serve? Northern Collin County? Again it's supporting maybe 750,000 people?



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

It would also be more convienient to the people of Princeton, Prosper, Sherman, Denison, Paris, even Durant, Oklahoma! Sure, they will be smaller aircraft, but you have to look at the convienence. And beside what nearly everyone here thinks, the City of McKinney has said that they WILL pursue this. After all, they are ALREADY! lengthening the runway. They aren't lengthing the runway for the ability to land a big Gulfstream (Although Gulfstreams can already land at TKI), they are making it bigger for AIRLINE SERVICE. It may not last long, but at least it will have happened.


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5102 times:



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 17):
I want to know what market this is going to serve? Northern Collin County?

All of North Texas! As I said earlier, all of the people that don't want to fly through DFW because of all the people, the people that want to make stops in ABQ, AUS, or HOU along the way.



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5027 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 18):
Princeton, Prosper, Sherman, Denison, Paris, even Durant, Oklahoma

Those cities are pretty rural to say the least...



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4965 times:



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 20):
Those cities are pretty rural to say the least...

It would take a long time for a farmer to drive his tractor to Baltimore (If thats where he had to go).



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4965 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 21):
It would take a long time for a farmer to drive his tractor to Baltimore (If thats where he had to go).

True, but why does said farmer need to get to BWI?

Realize, I'm not nit-picking, in fact it'd be cool to see a big(er) plane at McKinney, but I don't think it is logical.



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User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

I doubt very much any airlines will be serious about starting ops there. This isn't Chicago, where the major airports are all congested; DFW is an extremely efficient and spacious airport from both pax and airline points of view. (Love is not an option, as no gates are available). McKinney is simply not needed, but could perhaps support a smaller airline with ultra low-cost fares. Once large commercial jets start there, the many residents in close proximity to the airport would no doubt lobby to have it shut down. Plus, no connections or switching airlines at the last minute, no transportation infrastructure, and traffic that's just as bad as anywhere else in the metroplex. The way I see it, it's only advantages are location (to a relatively small area) and lower fees. Yes, Colin Co. is growing, but it is far from needing it's own commercial airport, especially with one of the world's premier Internationals 30 minutes down the road.


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5010 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

COex to IAH doesn't seem out of the question at some point.


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25 Post contains images Super80DFW : Maybe he had to go see his son graduate college. That was my one of my first thoughts also. Maybe just twice a day with a CRJ or ERJ.
26 Jalapeno : If McKinney is going to be an option, then why not add passenger service at Alliance?
27 SPREE34 : If you're AA using it as a hub. If we're talking about the terminals I don't find DFW spacious at all. The new D terminal would bean exception. It's
28 Gsosbee : I believe there are two issues involved here. One is population. All of the growth areas (read money) in Dallas are in the northern suburbs of Frisco,
29 Super80DFW : Because Tarrant County isn't growing like Collin, amd Denton Counties are. All I would have to do is drive over to McKinney on US380 from Little Elm.
30 Legion242 : There is one issue though that I know about: El Dorado Pkwy bridge over 75 can not be expanded. We own a business right at El Dorado and 75 and were t
31 LesMainwaring : I definately think there is a place for airports such as TKI in the landscape of commercial aviation - and not just for CRJs or ERJs. I grew up in Atl
32 FRNT787 : The terminals themselves are nice enough, and DFW is launching a revamp project with the funds from the Chesapeake Natural gas drilling (200 MIllion
33 Post contains images DfwRevolution : This is a terrible idea and goes to show what a piss poor job North Texas has done with city planning. Double, no triple thumbs down
34 Rampart : I was going to say that, too. Or Meacham. Mesa tried that, of course, without prolonged success. And of course Meacham had a role in the past (does t
35 SPREE34 : May happen someday. Look at how air service is growing. Day jet in Florida as an example. Yes, not an airline, but who knows what it may lead to late
36 Super80DFW : When it happens, it will be good for the City of McKinney and North Texas. Sure the fares might be higher than DFW, but it will be good for the area.
37 Post contains links RyDawg82 : I am not making trying to say that this will or won't happen -- but heres some thoughts... Don't forget TKI isn't just getting a new runway, its getti
38 Super80DFW : I didn't think that Allegiant served any cities in or around the Metroplex. I thought that they would be one of the best candidates for TKI. They coul
39 FlyDeltaJets87 : Well, props to a city for planning ahead for once, which seems to be a novelty these days, and not just with air transportation. Even if you dont attr
40 Blueflyer : Probably a very likely candidate. FTW was supposed to be one of their original destinations when they took to the skies. The messy agreement that is
41 Post contains images BN727flyr : Skybus and Allegiant came to my mind as well. jetBlue and VirginAmerica didn't come to mind, however; I don't see either of them trying to make their
42 Toxtethogrady : Skybus and Allegiant are certainly looking for airports like the one in McKinney - on the affluent side of Dallas and unserved by any other carrier.
43 Cjpark : The Airline service rumors got hot and heavy during the Wright Debate. The airport was the proverbial sword of Damocles over the City of Dallas Head.
44 RFields5421 : Yeah, right - a 2 a.m. When I lived in Carrollton - DFW was a 45 minute drive Now I live in Wylie - it's an hour to hour and a half at any time of da
45 Super80DFW : I never thought about NW to MEM.
46 Atrude777 : Under new Wright, WN is not allowed to go any airport within 80 mile radius of DAL Airport without loosing gates at DAL I believe until 2014 or is th
47 Super80DFW : It wouldn't even make any sense for Southwest to go into McKinney because of the close proximity to Love Field.
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