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User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 876 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8587 times:

There are pictures online that show Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez flying to the OPEC summit in Saudi Arabia, Iran and France on a Cubana de Aviacion IL-96-300.


Does anyone know why he is using Cubana de Aviacion and not his own? Also, is this the IL-96 that is in VIP configuraton for use by Fidel Castro?

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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

I'd guess much as with Iran Air flying to CCS it's a show of solidarity.

User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

Because the IL-96 uses more fuel?

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8383 times:



Quoting MIA (Thread starter):
Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez

ouch.....

Its probably a sign of solidarity, but you never know with him. He is so desperate for attention, who knows why.


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1724 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8250 times:

It's simple, the A319CJ is in France for heavy maintenace, but I guess conspiracy theories and paranoia are more atractive.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8208 times:



Quoting Acheron (Reply 4):
It's simple, the A319CJ is in France for heavy maintenace, but I guess conspiracy theories and paranoia are more atractive.

Well, there are other a/c available, rather than resorting to Cuba.

Perhaps it is "normal" for a Swedish oficial to "borrrow" a Russian plane when ONE Swedish a/c happens to be in maintenance. It does not seem normal here.


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8114 times:



Quoting CayMan (Reply 5):
Well, there are other a/c available, rather than resorting to Cuba.

Isn't Chavez all cozy with Cuba? IIRC isn't Venezuela Cuba's newest trading partner particulalrly with petrochemicals?

Let's hope that this doesn't get dumped as a "political" post.


User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

It's been said that the Crew and technicians quited. Thus, no pilots or technicians for the A319CJ. Officially, the Presidential Plane is in maintenance. I wonder why he did not use the 737-200...  sarcastic 

Regards,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7819 times:

Well... the 737-200 is currently used by the Venezuelan Government for VIP transport. The transport of passengers to and from Cuba is being made by Conviasa, Venezolana and Air Europa, which leased a 767-300 for such task.

Regards,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 271 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7705 times:



Quoting Rleiro (Reply 12):
from Cuba is being made by Conviasa, Venezolana and Air Europa, which leased a 767-300 for such task.

Yes you´re right they´re using the Air Europa, Conviasa and the Venezolana 737 and parked in ramp 4, some Saturdays you can see the 4 planes (Including the cubana IL-96) Parked there!!!

Quoting Rleiro (Reply 9):
It's been said that the Crew and technicians quited. Thus, no pilots or technicians for the A319CJ. Officially, the Presidential Plane is in maintenance.

This is really funny!!!! but where is the Airbus right now?


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

Hi!

Just to let you know that he passed I think yesterday in LIS, and it was indeed a Cubana IL96 CU-T1250 that flew him here. He stayed just a few hours!
Regards


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1907 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6136 times:



Quoting Rleiro (Reply 9):
It's been said that the Crew and technicians quited.

Yeah, the A319 is in manteinance right now... but I wonder as well why wouldn't he use the 737 or the 707 he has parked at CCS...

Who knows... the dude wants the most comfort possible...remember, hopefully he'll be out soon!

Cheers



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User currently offlineCybergus From Venezuela, joined Mar 2006, 511 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

This is really a shameful situation. In fact Chavez made a joke about this topic...he said that he is praying for not getting shot when the Cubana's plane overfly the Moncloa's palace in Spain...he is such an idiot!.

Quoting 797 (Reply 11):
but I wonder as well why wouldn't he use the 737 or the 707 he has parked at CCS...

And the Conviasa's A340?? he could also use it!


Tavo



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7545 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3499 times:



Quoting 797 (Reply 11):
but I wonder as well why wouldn't he use the 737 or the 707 he has parked at CCS...

It's the wide-body ego thing,don't ya know  Smile



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User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Is Venezuela gov. planning to get it's own heavys soon??

Do they hire this IL-96 or is it a favour from his old friend?


Regards.



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3427 times:



Quoting Acheron (Reply 4):
It's simple, the A319CJ is in France for heavy maintenace, but I guess conspiracy theories and paranoia are more atractive.

= LOL.

Cheers,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3388 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 13):
It's the wide-body ego thing,don't ya know

I think this is more of an issue of the IL-96 being the only available aircraft at the time that was large enough to take-off, fly and land with this guy's ego on board.


User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3220 times:



Quoting Rleiro (Reply 7):
t's been said that the Crew and technicians quited.

That is the correct story.

Chavez was going to use the Conviasa A340 for his European and Middle East trip but the whole civilian crew (cockpit and cabin no less) quit their jobs at the eleventh hour. The only alternative for Chavez was to ask his buddy in Cuba to lend him one of the planes Venezuela has financed Cubana with.

Very little in terms of information has leaked out on the walkout by Conviasa personnel but, by any measure, it points to the extraordinary disarray at the airline and their inability to finally get off the ground because of the political meddling and ideological obedience demanded of its staff.

This has been one of the most embarrassing moments for Mr. Chavez... to have to fly on a borrowed plane because his own pilots refused to take him !! What a difference to the old days of the former VIASA which had flown Venezuelan Presidents without a glitch.

As to the Venezuelan Air Force 707, it is a tanker and Chavez has disdained it in the past after a few incidents (including the bursting of tyres on landing at Bahrein in 1999 which led to the Sultan of that country lending him his 747 to fly back to Venezuela in true petrodollar style...). Indeed, that is the reason the A319 was ordered in 2001.

Greetings from Cancun !


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

By the way, one of the Venezolana 737s was or is still being used by Cubana, not sure why.


Thanks for the info Civilav!

Imagine: Brother Fidel, can I borrow your IL-96?

-sure Hugo, you have to get there in style to represent the Revolution!


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