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ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops  
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Oh, brother, what won't they think of next  Yeah sure

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=7384113&nav=menu193_2

To quote the article:
"A new El Paso International Airport initiative is designed to add more non-stop flights to fly out of the facility, and that could mean lower prices for passengers, officials said Monday.

The measure has been placed the agenda at Tuesday's City Council meeting.

Passengers may not have to leave their seats when flying to certain destinations if the item is approved. An incentive to the various carriers: those which start a new non-stop service out of El Paso will not have to pay landing fees for 90 days."

So, the city council thinks that this will get major airlines to start hubbing at ELP? I don't think WN will bite on this one, either...Maybe ExpressJet will take the airport up on this one.

Does this reach new depths of lowness in the annals of airport management?


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

So if a carrier adds new service, does the entire airline go fee-free for 90 days, or just the new route?

User currently offlineIflyswa From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2751 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter):
Does this reach new depths of lowness in the annals of airport management?

Nope. I'm sure several airports are offering similar incentives. I know GRR has been offering 90 days no landing fees for new nonstop service to markets not presently served by carriers at GRR for some time according to Brian Picardat A.A.E., Director of Finance and Administration at GRR. To date, carriers have not responded with service to new markets.

iflyswa



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting Iflyswa (Reply 2):
Nope. I'm sure several airports are offering similar incentives.

Very true and quite common.

As this article mentions, STL has a program to waive 6 months of landing fees for new nonstops from incumbents, 9 months from new carriers.
http://aviationweek.typepad.com/airports/2007/04/lambertst_louis.html

FAT offers I think a 4 month waiver.

[Edited 2007-11-21 10:51:09]


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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

ELP isn't a bad airport, but it can't seriously think of itself as a hub. The city simply isn't big enough.

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2518 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter):
"A new El Paso International Airport initiative is designed to add more non-stop flights to fly out of the facility, and that could mean lower prices for passengers, officials said Monday.

Not a terrible idea considering they have lost a lot of traffic to the airport since 9/11. They're one of the few still struggling to get back to pre-9/11 levels of traffic according to their air traffic manager.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2506 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 4):
ELP isn't a bad airport, but it can't seriously think of itself as a hub.

 checkmark  The facilities aren't designed for that. There's not nearly enough gates, and not nearly enough runway capacity...before someone says "Three Runways", remember one of them is GA-only...

Quoting Davescj (Reply 4):
The city simply isn't big enough.

Probably not to generatre the kind of O&D numbers that carriers would like to see for a hub, no...but the metro area is often quoted at over 2.5 million (remember, it also services 1.5 million people across the border, which no "official" census or anything is ever going to show...).



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Ive often though maybe UA or AA should do LAX-ELP.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2498 times:



Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 5):
Not a terrible idea considering they have lost a lot of traffic to the airport since 9/11. They're one of the few still struggling to get back to pre-9/11 levels of traffic according to their air traffic manager.

But I don't think any majors, barring perhaps WN, is going to pass up any hubs for non-stops to ELP. I don't forsee UA beginning IAD-ELP or SFO-ELP or LAX-ELP for example...heck, they don't even service DEN-ELP on mainline equipment  Wink



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2495 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Ive often though maybe UA or AA should do LAX-ELP.

It would be a bloodbath for them, as WN already has very established market loyalty on that route (going back to 1980!).



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2495 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
It would be a bloodbath for them, as WN already has very established market loyalty on that route (going back to 1980!).

It would have to be timed for connections, not meant for O&D.



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User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2436 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter):
So, the city council thinks that this will get major airlines to start hubbing at ELP

Nowhere in the article does it mention hubbing. El Paso simply wants more nonstop service. Who can blame 'em?

Just about every airport - big or small - has some sort of service incentive program in place.


User currently offlineZTagged From Niger, joined Oct 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2424 times:



Quoting ModernArt (Reply 11):

Just about every airport - big or small - has some sort of service incentive program in place.

You can count PIT out.. The only incentive they're offering is a landing fee increase.  crazy 



Something awful.
User currently offlinePrinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Good incentive. If they could only remove the morons running the airport they would probably see their situation improve.


As far as UA @ ELP.... IAD and ORD nonstops as well as UA mainline service is being considered. ELP is an ZW ground handled station and the contract is currently being considered for renewal.



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User currently offlineFrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2319 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Ive often though maybe UA or AA should do LAX-ELP

We could sure use some competition, WN is asking over 500.00 for a last minute ticket these days.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
It would be a bloodbath for them, as WN already has very established market loyalty on that route (going back to 1980!).

You're absolutely right, they have some loyal weekly fliers on that route. AA or UA would have to beat them on price and frequency to make any dent. I don't think CRJ's would work either just ask x-jet.


User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2304 times:



Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 14):
I don't think CRJ's would work either just ask x-jet.

If United were to start LAX and/or SFO flights, you can almost guarantee that it will be on a CRJ.


User currently offlineFrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

[quote=ModernArt,reply=15]If United were to start LAX and/or SFO flights, you can almost guarantee that it will be on a CRJ.
Just about anywhere they fly now is on a regional jet.


User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3639 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Good for ELP. It's always good to offer incentives to stimulate demand...

Here at FWA, they're offering waived landing fees for 2 years to new entrant carriers, 1 year for existing carriers adding new routes, and 6 months for existing carriers adding frequencies. The incentives are going to expire sometime next year, but I hear that they might start new ones because pax traffic is going up fast and they wwant the momentum to continue.

These incentives are why G4 came into the market, and also why MQ boosted FWA-ORD from 4x daily to 5x daily. (Oddly enough, no carrier has taken advantage of the existing carrier adding a new route incentive yet... I would have thought that UAX would have added FWA-DEN or FWA-IAD by now.)



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