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Why Didn't Delta Order The 757-300?  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6530 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8650 times:

I have been wondering lately why Delta did not order the 757-300. I think that it would have been a good addition to Delta's domestic fleet. It would have also made a good replacement for the 767-200s and would have complemented the domestic 767-300s. I know that at the time the 757-300 was produced, Delta wasn't looking into retiring their 767-200s, but when Delta started to lose money leading into bankruptcy, Delta referred the 767-200 as their "least efficient widebody". I personally think that had Delta ordered the 757-300, it would have taken place of the 767-200s and could be operating today with Delta's signature Delta On Demand IFE with live satellite TV.

Does anyone have an opinion on this?


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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8627 times:

Yes, I think the 753 would have been a good fit for DL's domestic fleet. But what you mentioned before about them starting to lose money is what halted any plans for A/C purchases. Remember also that getting rid of the 762's wasn't just about getting rid of an inefficient airplane but also reducing capacity.


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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8414 times:



Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
s, It halted any plans for A/C purchases. Remember also that getting rid of the 762's wasn't just about getting rid of an inefficient airplane but also reducing capacity.

This is a good point. In hindsight, this would have been a great plane for Delta, but at the time they could have purchased it, the 757-300 would have filled a relatively small gap in their fleet between the 757-200 and 767-200.



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User currently offlineFlyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

Because they bought the 767-400 for domestic service.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8327 times:

The 753 would have been a good addition for UA, AA and DL. Boeing waited too long to launch the 753 (1996) by which time the US majors had received most of their 752 fleets.

Had the 753 been offered earlier (say 90 or 92), no doubt it would have garnered more orders.



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8270 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
Had the 753 been offered earlier (say 90 or 92), no doubt it would have garnered more orders.

I agree, but it still would've likely been a niche airplane, just more successful than it is now. It would've been a great 762 replacement not only for DL, but AA as well (yes, I know they still have many of their 762's). However, when DL retired their 762's in the early-mid 2000's, they were not in good financial shape (remember all of the "Will DL survive" threads?) and were definitely not in the positition to make another aircraft order. Even if they did, it would've been sort of a niche airplane, with probably no more than about 20 of them. If it was out in the early-mid '90's, I think some airlines (name UA, DL, and AA) would've possibly them, maybe a few years later (late '90's) to supplement their 767-300's on domestic routes, and to replace the DC-10/L-1011.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8243 times:

Regardless of the -200 or -300 type, the 757 is truly the most popular airliner AFTER its discontinuation. CO would fly on to every European city it could if it had the REALLY long range of a 767, but no. Personally, I would love to have seen the 797 built to be everything the 757 is but with even greater fuel efficiency, higher cruising speed, and distances capable of EWR-IST or EWR-Moscow.

However, I don't believe the -300 had quite the capabilities (fuel efficiency, operating economics, etc) of the -200, did it?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22983 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8219 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
However, I don't believe the -300 had quite the capabilities (fuel efficiency, operating economics, etc) of the -200, did it?

...about what you might expect for a stretch... better CASM, worse range, worse runway performance (not that that's horribly relevant for DL).



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8218 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
Regardless of the -200 or -300 type, the 757 is truly the most popular airliner AFTER its discontinuation.

Come on Boeing, please us a.netters and PLEASE resume production of the 757. Its in very high demand, and its sexy looks & exhilarating takeoff/climb performance really arouse us. Just shorten the range by 500 nm. so we don't have to fly more across the Atlantic.  wink 

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8155 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
CO would fly on to every European city it could if it had the REALLY long range of a 767

Boeing offered a longer range 752ER and discussed its development with CO and C3. There was no interest at the time.



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User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5454 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8096 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
Had the 753 been offered earlier (say 90 or 92), no doubt it would have garnered more orders.

Like the early 2000s, that wasn't a great time to be in the airline business... not many new airplanes got ordered.

If US majors had been able to keep growing capacity indefinitely in the '90s and '00s, I think they would have ordered tons of 757-300s. They would have been a perfect replacement for DC-10-10s and early Tristars. (Instead, capacity was reduced, frequency was increased, and most of those planes got replaced by planes even smaller than 757-200s.)

The 757-300 is slightly range challenged, especially in a dense configuration. US transcon and West Coast-Hawaii are the absolute limits for the 757-300, and it's happier on midcons. But there is simply no narrowbody or smaller widebody out there, period, that can match it on CASM. It's a BIG aircraft with tons of seats and yet doesn't burn that much more fuel than other narrowbodies. I think you'll find that you couldn't pry NW and CO's 757-300s away from them with a crowbar. And DL, with all those costly 767 domestic flights, could have saved a lot of money with 757-300s had it been in a position to buy them.

And for those of us who care about such things, it doesn't have the climb or field performance of a 757-200, but compared with other stretch aircraft (say 737-900s or A321s) it does just fine. The existence of the 757-300 really shows just how overpowered the 757-200 is.


User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7994 times:



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 10):
But there is simply no narrowbody or smaller widebody out there, period, that can match it on CASM. It's a BIG aircraft with tons of seats and yet doesn't burn that much more fuel than other narrowbodies.

That's impressive when you consider the engines are 35 years old and the basic airframe 25+ years old. With an updated frame and powerplant a 757 NG would be an impressive aircraft. I imagine it's performance in terms of range/payload as well as operating economics would be outstanding.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7909 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
Had the 753 been offered earlier (say 90 or 92), no doubt it would have garnered more orders.

No doubt about that. IMHO, at least 200 orders sounds realistic (25-30 each for AA, CO, DL, NW and UA, plus quite a few with charter airlines in Europe).

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
Boeing offered a longer range 752ER and discussed its development with CO and C3. There was no interest at the time.

C3? (shows as Angola Air Charter). Anyway, I'm not sure if Boeing was even serious about the 752ER proposal. That said, had Boeing offered a "sort-off" 757NG in the early to mid-90s with the 753 and the 752ER, with good capacity/range respectively and the 757-typical low-CASM, things could have lasted way longer for the 757. But oh well, you know what they say about hindsight.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7803 times:



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 10):
The 757-300 is slightly range challenged, especially in a dense configuration. US transcon and West Coast-Hawaii are the absolute limits for the 757-300

The 753 can do shorter transatlantic. Thomas Cook has flown YYZ-Hannover regularly with the 753. But overall it is range challenged bsaed on some possible missions.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 12):
C3? (shows as Angola Air Charter). Anyway, I'm not sure if Boeing was even serious about the 752ER proposal.

C3 ~ Canada 3000. My acronym. LH was also offered a 752ER when they evaluated the 753.



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7756 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
However, I don't believe the -300 had quite the capabilities (fuel efficiency, operating economics, etc) of the -200, did it?

As Seabosdca mentioned, the 757-300 has a great CASM that's hard for other narrowbodies and the 762/A310 to match. It is probably the lowest CASM plane in both NW's and CO's fleets. The 757-200 does not match the operating economics of the 757-300 (in terms of its CASM), but is still fine. I believe this is simply because there is more revenue to be made with the -300, as it can carry more pax. with similar operating economics. There are not that many planes that were built to fly a short hop of under an hour, yet also fly an 8-9 hour transatlantic run just as well with good operating economics. However I'm fairly sure that both the 739 and A321 both have lower operating economics on domestic flights than the 752, largely due to smaller, more fuel-efficient engines and heavier weight. But I still don't think they quite match even the -200's CASM, correct me if I'm wrong. The 753 does have enough range for some short transatlantic flights (such as YYZ or YUL-Ireland/UK ) and it has been done by some of the UK charter airlines such as Thomas Cook.


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

IF DL ends up merging with NW...there you have it...instant 753 fleet!  Wink

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7690 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
The 753 would have been a good addition for UA, AA and DL. Boeing waited too long to launch the 753 (1996) by which time the US majors had received most of their 752 fleets.

Had the 753 been offered earlier (say 90 or 92), no doubt it would have garnered more orders.

This is the correct answer........the 753 is a marvelous airplane and an airplane that airlines can makes lots of money with due to its low operating costs, high pax capacity, and versatility, but it was simply the wrong airplane at the wrong time. The 753 came to market when most airlines were looking for smaller airplanes and had no interest in a medium range 225-250 seat airplane.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
However, I don't believe the -300 had quite the capabilities (fuel efficiency, operating economics, etc) of the -200, did it?

Huh? The 753 is more efficient than the 752 due to its increased pax capacity....however, the 753 does trade range for that capacity and cannot operate transatlantic services with any type of meaningful payload. When ATA sends its ATAs on long range transatlantic charters, stops in both Northern Canada and Ireland are generally required......the 753 has the range for US transcon services, West Coast-Hawaii services, and Northern Europe-Canary Island services.

Quoting 747fan (Reply 8):
Come on Boeing, please us a.netters and PLEASE resume production of the 757

As discussed about a million times, Boeing cannot and will not resume production of the 757. Is it so hard to understand that the machinery needed to produce the 757 no longer exists? It gone......and while the 757 is one fantastic airplane, its based on 1980s technology.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
Boeing offered a longer range 752ER and discussed its development with CO and C3. There was no interest at the time

Correct. The 752ER was the airplane that no one was interested in.......the airlines truly thought that there was no place for a small capacity long range airplane; boy, have times changed.

Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 10):
The existence of the 757-300 really shows just how overpowered the 757-200 is.

Interesting point.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 13):
C3 ~ Canada 3000. My acronym. LH was also offered a 752ER when they evaluated the 753.

I remember this as well.


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A couple of points to consider:

1. CO tried very hard to get out of its commitment for the 753........it simply did not want the airplane in the post 9/11 era when traffic numbers fell off. CO originally ordered 15 of the type and tried to cancel the order after the first 4 753s were delivered; CO eventually took 9 new build 753s from Boeing and substituted 4 738s for the remaining 753s that were never delivered. When traffic rebounded, CO realized that the 753 was a tremendous asset, especially on certain high demand low yield services, and picked up the ex-ATA airplanes in a very creative deal arranged by Boeing.

2. The 753 could have been a very interesting airplane for Delta......useful for some dense short to medium haul routes out of the ATL super-hub; but it was all about timing, and DL selected the 764ER as its domestic L1011-1 replacement. Again, times have changed, think about it, if DL would have gone with the 753 instead of the 764 as a L1011 replacement, DL would not have been able to grow its international route system so aggressively.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
personally think that had Delta ordered the 757-300, it would have taken place of the 767-200s and could be operating today with Delta's signature Delta On Demand IFE with live satellite TV.

The obsession with IFE continues........the IFE systems could be installed into any airplane operated by DL.


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2442 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7685 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
There was no interest at the time.

There was interest, just not enough.



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7659 times:



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
The 753 could have been a very interesting airplane for Delta......useful for some dense short to medium haul routes out of the ATL super-hub; but it was all about timing, and DL selected the 764ER as its domestic L1011-1 replacement.

I think the 753 would've been great for those ATL-Florida (MCO, MIA, FLL, PBI, TPA, RSW) runs, as well as ATL-SLC, ATL-LAS, ATL-NYC, ATL-BOS, and ATL-DCA. The 764 is now used on some of these routes ("off and on" ATL-MCO/TPA, as well as ATL-SLC and formerly ATL-LGA). The 753 would've had better CASM than the 763's and 764's DL is now using on these dense short-medium haul routes, so it would've worked well as an L-1011 replacement, albeit with a seating capacity more similar to the domestic 763's rather than the L-1011 and its replacement, the 764.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
Quoting 747fan (Reply 8):
Come on Boeing, please us a.netters and PLEASE resume production of the 757
As discussed about a million times, Boeing cannot and will not resume production of the 757. Is it so hard to understand that the machinery needed to produce the 757 no longer exists? It gone......and while the 757 is one fantastic airplane, its based on 1980s technology.

You took my reply way too seriously; I know that won't ever happen even though we can wish all we want. Couldn't you tell that I was kidding?  Yeah sure

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
Correct. The 752ER was the airplane that no one was interested in.......the airlines truly thought that there was no place for a small capacity long range airplane; boy, have times changed.

If Boeing pitched the 752ER some time between now and a few years ago, I don't think that would've been the case.  Wink


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16863 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

There's no better aircraft for transporting 220 travelers on Domestic routes, the 757-300 is the lowest CASM aircraft in CO's Domestic fleet (I'm sure it's similar for NW). Hindsight being 20/20 of course if knew then what they know now (oil near $100 a barrel, International demand etc) airlines like AA, DL and NWA would have picked up the 757-300. I think they would have had the 9-11 terrorist attacks not happen.

CO utilizes their 17 757-300s to Florida (MCO, FLL, TPA, PBI, RSW), Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Anchorage, San Juan, Santo Domingo, Santiago DR etc..

During the peak travel period to Florida from EWR around the Easter holiday CO runs 10 daily 757-300s between EWR and MCO, I flew this route on the 757-300 last Spring Break and you could not find an empty seat on any of those flights.

NWA utilizes their 757-300s on routes from SEA, PDX, SFO and LAX to Hawaii.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

I personally think that Delta could have ordered both the 757-300 and the 767-400ER. CO is satisfied with both aircraft, and continues to operate both today. Yes, I understand that Delta ordered the 767-400ER for high-capacity domestic leisure routes. However, with the shift towards moving the 767-400ERs to top European markets, the 757-300 might have come in handy today. Perhaps if the 757-300 were still in production, it might have gotten an order from Delta later on to replace the 767-200s.


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

Hindsight is 20/20.

I'm sure DL wishes they had ordered the 753 especially in today's environment. But they didn't.

Chapter closed. For now.



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7428 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 8):
Come on Boeing, please us a.netters and PLEASE resume production of the 757. Its in very high demand,

No, it does not have very high demand. If it did, the line would still be open. Boeing tried very hard to fill orders for that line before they decided to close it and there weren't enough takers for it to work out.

Tom.


User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7396 times:

Sorry to hijack the thread, but in essence of not starting a new thread I'd like to ask a question regarding DL 757s - how do you know if the 757 you'll be flying on has seat-back TVs (ex-Song configuration)?

My flights are ATL-TPA (Flight 1869 on Dec 11) & TPA-ATL (Flight 1746 on Dec 12). Any information is greatly appreciated!  Smile



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7388 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 23):
Sorry to hijack the thread, but in essence of not starting a new thread I'd like to ask a question regarding DL 757s - how do you know if the 757 you'll be flying on has seat-back TVs (ex-Song configuration)?

The standard 757 has 24 domestic F seats, while the Transcon ones have 26.

There are also two other configurations for the ETOPS 757s. The ex-ATA ETOPS 757s have the standard layout in Economy, but have only five rows of domestic F. And of course, there is Delta's newly-acquired ex-TWA 757s, which feature 22 domestic F seats and 158 Economy seats, with a different exit layout from Delta's other 757s. The domestic F seats on the ex-TWA 757s will soon be replaced by 16 BusinessElite seats.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Del.../Delta_Airlines_Boeing_757-200.php
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Del..._Airlines_Boeing_757-200_Trans.php
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ame...an_Airlines_Boeing_757-200_TWA.php

Yes, I know that SeatGuru hasn't moved the ex-TWA 757 page to the Delta section yet. I assume the site's owner is waiting until they get BusinessElite seats.

[Edited 2007-11-22 11:43:51]


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25 LTU932 : It ain't gonna happen. The production jigs are most likely destroyed by now, contracts with suppliers for the 757 terminated, etc. Restarting product
26 Post contains images 747fan : As I said before, of course I know Boeing won't restart the line due to the issues you mentioned. I was just wishing they'd resume it, like many othe
27 Viscount724 : I recall reading that at least a couple of carriers decided against the 753 because it would require longer turnaround times and affect on-time perfo
28 BAKJet : Resume production but, instead of shortening the range by 500nm extend it by 500nm, so that we can fly across the Atlantic on it more!
29 DocLightning : I hate the 753. I remember once being on a NW flight from DTW to MSP on a full 753. Of course, I was in the second to last row. I timed it from when I
30 Post contains images DeltaAVL : Thanks for the wealth of information, guys! Just one question, though - on this seating chart, I count 22 F seats. What gives?
31 Ikramerica : The 753 is larger than the 762. The 753 would fit a gap between the 752 and 763. Is this what you meant? It doesn't take that long on CO. Not sure wh
32 AirframeAS : The tooling has been destroyed. There is no way to re-build the tooling again, I don't think. Plus the costs of re-vamping the line for the 757. I be
33 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : You get aroused by the sight of a 757.....?! Shamu
34 MSYtristar : I was wondering the same thing as my ATL-LAS flight in January has one of the F22 757's. I think those are the regular, non-PTV equipped ones.
35 777STL : With all due respect, congratulations, you're the 14th person that has repeated this, I think he gets the point.
36 AV8AJET : This is an ex: AA/TW plane 22F & 158Y, The others are 26F & 158Y ex: SONG with PTV's, & 24F & 159Y original DL 752's with overhead crt screens.
37 1337Delta764 : The ex-TWA aircraft currenty feature drop-down LCDs. They will get AVOD PTVs at the same time that the BusinessElite seating will be installed, which
38 MSYtristar : Then there are an awful lot of those flying around because I just looked at flights ATL-JAX/MSY/RDU/LAS/PHL and nearly all of the 757 flights in thos
39 1337Delta764 : Actually, I just found out that this is in fact NOT an ex-TWA 757. While the ex-TWA 757s feature 22 domestic F seats, the row of two seats is in row
40 Tdscanuck : The tooling can be rebuilt. Boeing still has all the drawings. The 2nd 737 line is in the space where the 757 used to be build, so you'd need a new b
41 Post contains images 747fan : No!!! Maybe the sight of my girlfriend... but not the 757. I just simply think (and meant in my reply) its a wonderful looking airplane, especially w
42 United_Fan : As far as DL ordering the 757-300,wasn't the P&W version not available until later. Also,is NW the only 753 P&W operator?
43 STT757 : Correct, all other 757-300s are RR powered. I've flown on the 757-300 four times this year (EWR-MCO-EWR and EWR-LAS-EWR), both trips were in First. O
44 AmtrakGuy : Forgive me....I got a question to ask about A321 -- is their CASM similiar to 757-200? and how much difference with 757-300? And, is it easy (and flex
45 Dutchjet : I think that you are suggesting that Airbus do a further stretch of the A32X family to create a variant with seating similar to that of the 753? Firs
46 Seabosdca : On missions they can fly the A321 will usually have lower costs than a 757-200. It's a lighter, newer, and more efficient airplane. But its performan
47 Atlantaflyboy : Regarding the 757 F seating Discrepancies. There are (4) configuarations out there 22F (missing 6a/b), 158Y - Ex-ATA birds w/ overhead CRT's throughou
48 DTWAGENT : Question here. Could the B757-300's be used on trans-atlantic flghts? Or is the range to short for these flights out of say JFK, BOS ? chuck
49 Bobnwa : Maybe to Ireland from BOS and JFK, but not much farther.
50 Post contains images DeltaAVL : Thanks, that cleared it up for me, and probably the others as well.
51 Dutchjet : Not really.......the range is just not there, the 753 was simply not designed with transatlantic operations in mind. Even the shortest of TATL segmen
52 STT757 : CO's longest 757-300 flight is IAH-LIM, 3132 miles. EWR-SNN is 3082 miles. The big difference though is the winds.
53 AmtrakGuy : Keep in mind, NWA isn't going to do any transcon flights. I think they can use A321 from DTW and/or MSP to any cities within USA -- i.e. MSP to SEA,
54 Bmacleod : The 757-300 market was very narrow and I don't see how it would fit into DL operations as the 767-300 would suffice where the 757-200 isn't sufficient
55 1337Delta764 : Well, Delta did operate the 767-200 until 2005. Since the 767-200 was also primarily used on domestic runs, the 757-300 would have been an ideal repl
56 Ikramerica : The 767-200 is not larger than the 757-200, and thus a 757-200 is a fine replacement for the 767-200 when "widebody luxury" is not needed. 762s are b
57 1337Delta764 : The 767-200 IS in fact somewhat larger than the 757-200. In Delta's configuration, the 767-200s seated 204 passengers, vs. the 184 passengers on the
58 MasseyBrown : Too true. I think I have read that the 753 also has beefed-up MLG. The stretch-model I had in mind was the DC-8-62 which was a shorter and cheaper st
59 Tdscanuck : I'm not really following you here. The engine, nacelle, and strut are a different shape because of the low stance but they aren't really any more or
60 Gigneil : I am sorry but I have to disagree with all the above posters. The 753 is a heinous aircraft. Its inflight motions are sickening, turn times are among
61 Bobnwa : I don't think that CO or NW would agree with you that the 757-300 is heinous. Where are you getting this info from?
62 Seabosdca : And none of that matters when what you are looking for is the cheapest way to get 224 low-paying pax from MSP to SEA and back. The 757-300 does what
63 Post contains images Thegooddoctor : Special order to Santa Claus last night - they appeared this morning Look to see them on the MSP-PHX/SEA/LAX/LAS routes Just in case no one responded
64 EMB170 : "For now"? Come on, Alitalia, what are you hinting at?? ;o) EMB170, who also wonders if DL has an order for a plane that's a longer version of the on
65 Viscount724 : Yes, the 762 is both longer (not much, about 4 ft.) and its wingspan is 31 ft. more than the 762. Gross takeoff weight also about 80,000 to 140,000 l
66 N1120A : Yes it can. There were rumors that CO was going to configure some for just such a mission, namely to LGW. The 753's performance is excellent for an a
67 1337Delta764 : I was thinking that where the confusion lies is that in CO's layout, the 757-200 and 767-200ER seat about the same number of passengers. This is due
68 Post contains images Lightsaber : Restarting a production line costs a fortune! There are efficiency studies out there on how the L1011 line couldn't re-achieve its previous productio
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