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KLM Orders Extra Airbus And Boeing  
User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19366 times:

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=23363
http://www.nu.nl/news/1325918/32/KLM_bouwt_vloot_verder_uit.html

Coming up on Dutch news websites this morning. KLM orders the following extra aircraft:

2 x B777-300
3 x B737-700
2 x A330-200

Some notes from CEO Peter Hartman:

- KL will no longer order B772, but any 777 order will be 773.
- KL is actively searching for a replacement of the 747-combi fleet. These aircraft will be phased out from 2014, when they are 25 years old. A decision between A350 and B787 will be made in mid 2008 for this purpose.
- In 2014-2015 KL will start replacing the MD11 fleet
- The new 737-700 replace older 733 and 734

[edit: spelling]

[Edited 2007-11-21 23:16:02]

101 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1867 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19324 times:



Quoting KL577 (Thread starter):
- In 2014-2015 KL will start replacing the MD11 fleet

That is great news! In 2014-2015, the A350 would be the perfect aircraft for them! It would not only be a major boost for Airbus, but will give more confidence in the A350 program. 2008 might be the A350 year.



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19175 times:



Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
the A350 would be the perfect aircraft for them! It would not only be a major boost for Airbus, but will give more confidence in the A350 program. 2008 might be the A350 year.

Maybe not perfect, but very good.

If KLM was to replace their current fleet of MD-11's, A330's and B777 with only one aircraft program, the A350 would be the best fit unless Boeing launches the B787-1000 and 1100.
But KLM seems to have no problem with buying from both suppliers and I think they will.
The B787 would be a very good replacement for the A330-200.

I predict that in 2020 KLM will have a fleet of 15 B787's, 40 A350's, 30 A380's and 75 Y1's from Boeing.
 Cool

Quoting KL577 (Thread starter):
2 x A330-200

The A330 edged 2 closer to breaking the 200 mark for 2007.


User currently offlineLarSPL From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19161 times:

in 2014 the 787 might also be the perfect aircraft for them,. and a boost for the 787 program.


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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2377 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19098 times:

Good to see the MD-11 phase out has been pushed back a couple of years. This could possibly give it another decade of tri-jet service until they are all gone. In a nutshell, KL has a little less than a decade before the diverse longhaul fleet that we have come to love will disappear. Don't get me wrong, I look forward to the 787 and A350 when their time comes. But we will miss KL's 744's and MD-11's when 90% of the widebodies in the sky are 787's and A350's.


There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19017 times:



Quoting Chiad (Reply 2):
If KLM was to replace their current fleet of MD-11's, A330's and B777 with only one aircraft program, the A350 would be the best fit unless Boeing launches the B787-1000 and 1100.

Yes, but the a332's and 777's are new, so they won't be replaced for at least 10-15 years. By then there may be new airplanes on the market (Y# for example) The most pressing need for replacement is being addressed right now... the 737 classics and 747's and the MD11's.



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User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18991 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
Don't get me wrong, I look forward to the 787 and A350 when their time comes. But we will miss KL's 744's and MD-11's when 90% of the widebodies in the sky are 787's and A350's.

The nostalgia of seeing them is certainly appealing. But repeat your statement if you compared two flights: one in a totally old KL 744 or MD-11 with bad seats, no PTV and dirty, noisy interior, the other in a brand new A350 with new comfy seats, mood lighting, in a quiet cabin with a wide screen AVOD system.



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18779 times:

Sounds like there's going to be a massive twin widebody RFQ from AFKL in the not too distant future.

I can see them making a joint order for anything B787/A350/(A380), maybe not KL for the A380.

And then some time down the road they will do the same all over again for narrowbody, what's going to replace all B737s and A320s at both carriers.

Given the fleet size of AFKL, I could see them split the order between B787s and A350s as this would make a lot of sense since they would still have a sizeable fleet of each and benefit from their specificities e.g. from the smaller B787-8 to the larger A350-1000 in terms of range and capacity, etc. My guess is that the A330-200s and B-777-300ERs will last the longest, while A340s, B747s B767s (any left) and MD-11s will be extinct from passenger service by the end of the next decade.



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1923 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18645 times:



Quoting Chiad (Reply 2):
I predict that in 2020 KLM will have a fleet of 15 B787's, 40 A350's, 30 A380's and 75 Y1's from Boeing.

I think you can skip the A380's in there... KLM can use this plane for maybe two or three routes, but the A380 fleet would be to small to be effective in the fleet. I don't even see 30 A380's with Air France, but I could be wrong, so don't hold me on that!  Wink

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18595 times:



Quoting KL577 (Thread starter):
- KL will no longer order B772, but any 777 order will be 773

As said over at the other thread, current plans call for the KLM B777 fleet to grow to 22 units. 15 B772ERs are already in operation, 2 B77Ws will joing the fleet in February and March and another 2 in 2009. That leaves at least 3 B77Ws un accounted for.

Quoting KL577 (Thread starter):
- KL is actively searching for a replacement of the 747-combi fleet. These aircraft will be phased out from 2014, when they are 25 years old. A decision between A350 and B787 will be made in mid 2008 for this purpose.



Quoting KL577 (Thread starter):
- In 2014-2015 KL will start replacing the MD11 fleet

The MD11 and B74E fleets (as well as the AF A343 fleet, for that matter) have very similar seat numbers, and could well be replaced with a single type of aircraft. The combis work well for KLM, but the airline will not be able to source a similar combi aircraft in the future, so the loss of cargo space will have to be compensated by growth at the cargo division.

As for the B747 replacement, the first retirements will actually be in the end of 2012 or beginning of 2013, when the first two full passenger aircraft (PH-BFA and PH-BFB) will be phased out. The first combi (PH-BFC) will come up for retirement in 2014. KLM will retire the B747s at the occassion of their 4th D-check. The aircraft mentioned in here have relatively recently (over the past year that is) received their 3rd D-check.


User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18481 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):

Have you more information on when these newly ordered aircraft are being delivered?

In addition to the 4 77W in 2008 and 2009, will this mean 2 in 2010 as well?

Will the A332 come in 2009?


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18160 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
That leaves at least 3 B77Ws un accounted for.

2 have been ordered today and KLM took an option on another three frames, 1 737-700 and 2 777-300.
Just to sum up and give overview:

KLM has on (firm) order:

Boeing:

6 x 777-306ER, 0 in operation, 2 options
0 x 777-206ER, 15 in operation, 0 options
6 x 737-8K2, 15 in operation, 0(?) options
13 x 737-7K2, 0 in operation, 13 on order, 1 option

The 737's on order will be winglet equipped.

Airbus:

3 x A330-200, 9 in operation, ? options

Embraer:

10 x E190, 0 in operation, 9 options

Quoting KL577 (Reply 10):
Have you more information on when these newly ordered aircraft are being delivered?

777-306ER:
PH-BVA - Feb 2008
PH-BVB - Mar 2008
PH-BVC - Mar 2009
PH-BVD - Jun 2009
PH-BVE - Mar 2010
PH-BVF - Nov 2011

737-7K2:
PH-BGD - Jul 2008
PH-BGE - Aug 2008
PH-BGF - Aug 2008
PH-BGG - Dec 2008
PH-BGH - Feb 2009
PH-BGI - Apr 2009
PH-BGK - Feb 2010
PH-BGL - Apr 2010
PH-BGM - Sep 2011
PH-BGN - Okt 2011

737-8K2:
PH-BXW - Dec 2007
PH-BXY - Feb 2008
PH-BXZ - Mrt 2008
PH-BGA - Apr 2008
PH-BGB - May 2008
PH-BGC - May 2008

A330-200:
PH-AOL - Feb 2008
PK-AOM - Jan 2010
PH-AON - Jan 2011

The Embraers will be delivered from Nov 2008 onwards, approximately at a rate of 1 in every 2 months, ending in Mar 2010.

[Edited 2007-11-22 02:44:59]

User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17936 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 11):
6 x 737-8K2, 15 in operation, 0(?) options
13 x 737-7K2, 0 in operation, 13 on order, 1 option

Are all the new 737s Transavia versions? They will not be 737-706/806?

Thanks!


raggi



Stick & Rudder
User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17892 times:

Quoting Raggi (Reply 12):
Are all the new 737s Transavia versions? They will not be 737-706/806

No, for some reason KLM is ordering all 737's under the K2 customer code since the introduction of the 737-800 and -900. To clarify: orders under the Transavia customer code are not destined for Transavia, but KLM mainline. When Transavia books an order, the planes do get the K2 designator, but are announced separately.
So KLM only operates the 737-x06 in the -300 and -400 series.

KLM mainline 737 fleet:
737-306
737-406
737-7K2 (on order)
737-8K2
737-9K2

[Edited 2007-11-22 03:19:09]

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17810 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 11):

Embraer:

10 x E190, 0 in operation, 9 options

These will be very good-looking aircraft. I hope to see them at TXL, it was nice to see the Fokkers, but I prefer the E-Jets.

Quoting KL577 (Thread starter):
2 x B777-300
3 x B737-700
2 x A330-200

Nice mix, indeed. 77Ws will look nice.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2702 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17770 times:

Nice to see a European schedule carrier that have 737NG (with SAS), unlike all other who chose the A32S


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5212 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17745 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 13):
No, for some reason KLM is ordering all 737's under the K2 customer code since the introduction of the 737-800 and -900. To clarify: orders under the Transavia customer code are not destined for Transavia, but KLM mainline. When Transavia books an order, the planes do get the K2 designator, but are announced separately.
So KLM only operates the 737-x06 in the -300 and -400 series.

What could be the resaon for the K2 customer code? It looks strange to me but I'm sure they will have a good reason for it.

KL911


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17560 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 16):
What could be the resaon for the K2 customer code? It looks strange to me but I'm sure they will have a good reason for it.

If I am not mistaking it is because the Transavia and KLM 737's are identically configured. Sure, the number of seats differ (e.g. 171 on the 738 for KL and 186 for HV), but all the systems and customer-configurable options are the same. Theoretically the 737's can be swapped between HV and KL by just moving a few seats in or out (and painting the outside off course).


User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17044 times:

With the profit the AF/KL group just posted they must have thought let's go shopping

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3716106

[Edited 2007-11-22 04:23:10]


I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16933 times:

How old will the MD11's be at retirement?


John Hancock
User currently offlineDegenfly From Norway, joined Aug 2007, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16696 times:



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 19):
How old will the MD11's be at retirement?

They were delivered form 1993-97, so 17-21 years old by 2014.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16696 times:



Quoting KL577 (Thread starter):
KL is actively searching for a replacement of the 747-combi fleet. These aircraft will be phased out from 2014, when they are 25 years old. A decision between A350 and B787 will be made in mid 2008 for this purpose.

hmmmm seems odd this statement. KLM will remove all their 747s and replace them with either A350s or 787s?? Well if they went for the 787 then there is some massive drop in capacity and cargo! The A350 is a larger aircraft soo it will have the upper hand and also can be used to replace the MD-11s.
Maybe Boeing will develop a 7478-Combi also and KLM may be very interested in those!!


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 16296 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 21):
KLM will remove all their 747s and replace them with either A350s or 787s?? Well if they went for the 787 then there is some massive drop in capacity and cargo! The A350 is a larger aircraft soo it will have the upper hand and also can be used to replace the MD-11s.
Maybe Boeing will develop a 7478-Combi also and KLM may be very interested in those!!

KLM has explicitly stated that they are not going for any more combis because of regulatory hurdles. They will replace the B74Es with aircraft with similar seating capacity. The B74Es currently seat about 280 passengers, so those are the kind of numbers we are looking at. The MD11s seat just a bit more at around 295, so the 17 B74Es + 10 MD11s could be replaced with a single aircraft type. To cover the shortfall of cargo capacity KL/AF will further build dedicated freighter fleets. In regard to the B74E and MD11 replacements, it is also interesting to note that AF has almost 20 A343s with similar seating capacity to replace, so we could well be looking at a joint order.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 16294 times:



Quoting Degenfly (Reply 20):
They were delivered form 1993-97, so 17-21 years old by 2014.

Cheers man



John Hancock
User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 16207 times:



Quoting KL577 (Thread starter):
A decision between A350 and B787 will be made in mid 2008 for this purpose.

Any rumor of a combi? I have only seen KLM with combis.....does anyone else have them?

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
25 PHKLM : I know the articles of the OP are in Dutch, but as HB-IWC already stated: the combi's will leave the fleet. The pax capacity of this plane will be re
26 Alessandro : So the lucrative Paramaribo-Amsterdam route will be flown with Trippel-7, I thought KLM surely could fill up A380ies on this route and many other?
27 NA : Bad news all along. I don´t like the fleet development of KLM at all. 773s and 787s or A350 replacing the great 744. Can´t get worse f
28 PHKLM : No way. The A380 is too big for KLM. Period. KLM simply lacks the volume and the number of sustainable routes. Come on, KLM has only 5 full-pax 747's
29 Alessandro : PHKLM, so you don´t think AF could use some of the A380ies surplus capacity if any?
30 B747forever : Really great to see KL ordering the 77W. That is really good. Then it is no hurry for me to catch one of that birds.
31 NA : Looks like a bleak future for KLM in terms of an attractive fleet. It will be boring twinjets all the way.
32 Columba : My prediction would be A350-1000 to replace the 747 combis and A350-900 to replace the MD 11 no 747-8I or A380 for KLM. I hope to fly on their Fokker
33 KC135TopBoom : Why don't they replace them now, with A-330-300s, and sell the MD-11s to freighter companies? This makes sense. Will the Y-1 be flying in 2020? Why w
34 B747forever : Because the MD-11s is suitable for KLM, and they are not so old.
35 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : RfP is expected for around 100 B787 / A350XWB for 2008 for both Air France and KLM. At the same time AF considers expanding their A380 order. http://m
36 DK001 : I read somewhere that the reason KLM uses the K2 code for their 737 NG aircraft was because Transavia (being part of KLM) had already ordered and was
37 KL577 : No. The CEO clearly stated a replacement of the 747 combi's with 787 or 350. This makes sense because:
38 PHKLM : Not really. It doesn't make much sense to use overcapacity at AF to create overcapacity at KL. There really aren't any routes on which KLM could make
39 Post contains links Beaucaire : Actually AF/KLM are preparing a MEGA-order of more than 100 wide-bodies for Q1 2008 following "La Tribune" Here
40 B747forever : The text is in French. Do you have a link in English??
41 Beaucaire : Air France will pass a giant aircraft order The group will pass Franco in 2008 an order of a hundred aircraft for long-range medium capacity. The tend
42 B747forever : Thank you so much, for translating the article. Really interesting read. I really hope for the 787. We will see what will happen.
43 PHKLM : The French-Dutch company Air France KLM is going to order 100 long-haul medium-sized aircraft at the beginning of 2008. The company will match the co
44 Post contains images PHKLM : Beaucaire, you used a translation tool while I was sweating typing a hand-made translation Fortunately, my translation is better anyway
45 Post contains images PA110 : There is nothing boring about KLM's 777 fleet. I just got back from a quick trip to Amsterdam. PH-BQG (Galapagos) outbound and PH-BQB (Borobudur) on
46 B747forever : That is true. Much better. Understood more from your translation compared to Beaucaires
47 Beaucaire : uitstekende vertaling-gelukwensen ![Edited 2007-11-22 07:34:23]
48 LarSPL : numerous rumours indicate that this order is already in boeings corner. but we'll see what comes out..
49 B747forever : OMG, really hope that that rumours are true. God, what I would love to see AF/KL operate the 787.
50 Beaucaire : With a $/Euro exchange-rate close to 1.5,it's getting easy for Boeing to catch this one. Letting slide the $ to where it currently is,will sooner or l
51 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : ..not as good as their -200ER's.. ..absolutely not, they are one of the most stunning birds out there... MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Jacobin77
52 Post contains images KL911 : I knew you would put your photo here again........
53 BillReid : Sorry. KL will never buy the A380. They consider the market too small for thst size an aircraft. KL is also on record saying the consumer wants frequ
54 Kappel : I believe the prices for Airbus aircraft are also in USD, so that makes no difference. It does hurt Airbus' bottom line however...
55 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : LOL as soon as someone said they were boring I thought - "I bet Jacobin777 put his KL772ER pic up" - hahahahaha As far as the order is concerned, I h
56 Post contains images PHKLM : IMHO the Airbus aircraft are priced in USD dollar as well.. That is why Airbus is having so much trouble (yes, and the A380 with its wires). At the l
57 Beaucaire : But Boeing will have less pains to concede discounts while Toulouse will stick as much as possible to list price,knowing that an exchange-rate of 1.4
58 Davescj : I think some of the group order will be A380s, but for AF not KL. I hope KL decides to purchase 748, but hard to say. Somehow, I think the wide bodie
59 Behramjee : Unfortunately for Boeing, the B 789 isnt the perfect replacement aircraft for the B 74E and MD 11. If Boeing want this order, they have to speed up d
60 OldAeroGuy : I thought Airbus wasn't offering a GE engine on any model of the A350 since GE was proposing the GEnx engine also offered on the 787 for the A358/9.
61 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...hahaha....Both of you KNEW I was going to be putting that photo up...THE most beautiful bird in the sky right now.. ...au contraire Beaucaire... -
62 CHRISBA777ER : Agree. I think it is the worst kept secret in aviation that Airbus is in talks to offer a GENX derivative on the A350XWB. Expect an announcment early
63 PHKLM : The original article in French (as linked by Beaucaire) is saying this in a speculative tone. I am afraid while translating I lost this tone. The foc
64 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I think the QR B787/B777 order was the worst kept secret in aviation...
65 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : No, your KLM772 picture is the worst kept secret in aviation!
66 Thrust : Something tells me that a few A380s might be wearing the KLM colors a few years from now if the 747s are going to be leaving in a few years.
67 Post contains images PHKLM : Something tells me you should read a little better
68 JFK787NYC : I am starting to feel all Airbus wants is their name in the papers to take the buzz away from Boeing. If they really are selling A350s at 102 Million
69 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....hey, hey...c'mon now mate..I'm not that bad... ...they won't have a problem hitting those numbers... I think the larger issue is regarding the Po
70 Bmacleod : Isn't the 787 rather small for a 747 replacement? The Combi version maybe but the A350-1000 looks a lot more likely... So that's it, KLM has shut the
71 NA : I didn´t say KLMs 777 fleet is boring. I said with only twinjets and all aircraft smaller than the current flagship 744 the FUTURE KLM fleet
72 CHRISBA777ER : Do what? I make it 0.67 exchange rate so - US$102m would be €68.3m. Perhaps you are thinking of GBP£?
73 HB-IWC : As it has been said ad nauseum here, the A380 is way too big for KLM. The airline has just 5 full passenger B744s to replace and as the B77W is bound
74 Fyano773 : Any plan to change the 747-Combi in the AMS-MEX run for 777 or A332? Fyano
75 Viscount724 : There are many other European scheduled carriers operating the 737NG in addition to SK and KL.
76 Slz396 : Don't know if it had been reported already, but according to the Airbus press release, KLM did not just convert 2 options into firm order, it also too
77 LY777 : But they are very rare: -AF, IB, TP, BA, EI, LH, LX, OK, AZ, SN doesn't operate 737NGs. Maersk, Tarom and Luxair operate 737NG, that's right, but the
78 Viscount724 : "National carrier" is a meaningless term now, with all except a few airlines privately owned. You're also overlooking Ryanair, Easyjet, Air Berlin, T
79 Post contains images Scbriml : The same was said about BA and the A380.
80 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..but the CEO of BA never stated the A380 was too big, unlike that of the CEO of KL...
81 JRadier : I'm gone one day..... look at this thread Don't forget the 2 737-4Y0s, BPB and BPC. They are the only ex AirUK Leisure aircraft left. And they do. KLM
82 Slz396 : The CEO of KLM? You mean the Dutchman running Air France, Holland? Really, whatever KLM will operate will be decided in Paris, NOT Amsterdam and Air
83 Jacobin777 : .I should have stated the COO of KL....Peter Hartman, obviously Jean-Cyril Spinetta is the CEO of the parent group
84 MrFord : Well close enough, if my information is correct. Seeing that KL already operated 737-806 before buing out Transavia, they already operated with an NG
85 Post contains images LifelinerOne : I think your overreacting a little bit. The current CEO and the former CEO (Hartman and Van WIjk) always said that KLM was able to choose that plane
86 Columba : They will be gone pretty soon.
87 Slz396 : Thrust me, I know how these kind of mergers which are in fact take-overs work. I deal with them professionally. 1,000+ pages of guaranteed independen
88 KL577 : AFAIK there is still a large planning and scheduling department in Amstelveen, where Operations Research people do a lot of planning, scheduling and
89 Post contains images PHKLM : I don't really know what you are trying to prove, but "under AF" KLM got to invest in 77W's, more 737's, more A330's, E190's, it even gets the AF F10
90 Slz396 : PHKLM, Relax my friend! Seems your emotions, feelings and love when it comes to KLM (hence your user name) are preventing you from reading closely wha
91 Post contains images LifelinerOne : So do I... To be exact, currently working at the company involved... You're right, however, Air France doesn't have the upper hand also. Air France a
92 Post contains images KL911 : Very true, and they still need people. I'm invited for a job interview in early December. Whatever they do in the future I don't know, but I do speak
93 KL577 : Really, that's interesting news, maybe I'll send them my CV. Good luck!
94 United Airline : Wonder if they will order the B 747-8 or the A 380
95 KL911 : Duh.......... did you actually read the posts above?? No A380 for KLM.........
96 Post contains images JRadier : Oh boy, I'd like to see you produce evidence of a 737-806 . KLM's first 738, PH-BXA, was delivered as a 737-8K2 and so were the rest.
97 Post contains images KL577 : The wording of KLM CEO Peter Hartman is very clear: (http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=23389) (forgive my quick ranslation (I'm at work and my
98 LarSPL : Person responsible for fleet development within AF-KL is mr Gagey and he is the CFO for KLM.. so far the 'paris will call amstelveen what to order'. 7
99 MauriceB : to sum it up for u what KLM is going to add to its fleet or orderd between december 2007 and november 2011: - 1 747-400ERF (''leased'' to Air France)
100 Post contains links and images LifelinerOne : Another quote from Peter Hartman about the A380... (in Dutch, but translated for you)... http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=23389 "We could fill
101 Post contains images LifelinerOne : Despite the problems at SAS, I hear that the DHC-8-400 is still a favorite... Cheers!
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