MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4210 posts, RR: 36 Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7770 times:
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 2): Rather than pick up old junk from others, why doesn't LY order some new VLA themself?
I still can't understand what's the problem with slightly older aircraft? A 744 is supposed to be used economically for 30 years, and it looks great in El Al colours too. I see it as good news if any airline picks up aircraft, old or new. It's a waste to scrap 10 year old aircraft just because everyone wants the newest of the newest. IFE, seatcomfort and meals on board can be just as nice as on a new aircraft, it might just be the airlines choice if it's not.
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PEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7750 times:
Quoting LY777 (Reply 1): So, the rumour that said that LY would order 77Ws and 787s at the end of 2007 is untrue...
Well this could mean an intermediate solution, couldn't it? After all ordering any of the mentioned planes put you at the end of a waiting-list of ages... Maybe I am too optimistic, but I still see a new plane order in LY 's near future. They can't go on riding those 762s forever
Purely from an enthusiasts point of view it is good to see 744s being used on mainline passenger services and not being converted to freighters all the time ...the queen will remain queen forever
LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2565 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7735 times:
As for the 767s, they could at least refurbish the interior with new seats and PTVs a la Air Canada, and new bins (like many carriers, such as UA recently, even though it is not the real 777 signature interior)
JFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1389 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7355 times:
I know we are all a little upset that it is not a new aircraft, but the fact is the fleet is growing which a plus for LY.....I am hoping like the rest of us this is an in between phase but lets keep it positive that we get to fly another 744
Seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4704 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7331 times:
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 2): Rather than pick up old junk from others
You're like the rich kids back in high school who made fun of anyone whose daddy didn't buy them a new car.
I'm sure the ten-year-old 747-400, with which LY obviously feels it can make money for a good while, will be given a proper once-over before it goes into LY service. I'm glad the airline has sufficiently growing pax volume that it needs more VLAs.
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NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10047 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7317 times:
Nice another SQ 744 has found a new home.
Quoting Amirs (Thread starter): I think those SQ are older then the oldest 744 EL AL currently has.
SQ has, as much as I know, already sold all 744s built before 1993. El Al received their first 744 in 1994. So maybe its a few months older probably, hardly anything to complain about. They are just half through their life-cycle.
I dont think its a reason to complain about this deal, and nice to hear that 744BCF will replace the old 742Fs, pretty soon I hope.
El Als old 767s and 757s though need replacement. They are around 20 years old and nothing a flag carrier could be proud of anymore.
JFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 809 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7191 times:
LY uses all their planes for years before even considering getting rid of them. They have planes that are 20 plus years old and are still running.
I still believe EL AL will order the 747-800i, They will convert 747-400 to freighter and purchase brand new 747-800i fly them for 15 years and then start converting them to freighter's. Their is no point for EL AL to purchase A380 because after 15-20 years their will be no use for the old planes. Like this EL AL can utilize their planes for at least 30 years.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7120 times:
The question with a used 744 is not "how old is it?", but "how well has it been maintained?"
Offhand, I can't think of any airline whose reputation is that of SQ's when it comes to the statement, "only one previous owner". They treat their planes as they do their customers - and can afford to upgrade to newer planes ever few years.
For the lucky buyer, such as LY here, it's the equivalent of finding an immaculate 1966 Mustang with under 100,000 miles and one owner, a little old lady from Pasadena who only drove the car to church once or twice a week for the last 40+ years. An immaculate find that has been passed on like a treasure. LY will get a LOT of use out of these planes!!
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LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2565 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6883 times:
Quoting LXA340 (Reply 19): The system is ancient and the screens are so small that you need a spy glas. The system dates back from 1994 so one of the first entertainment systems that was on the market.
Indeed, but that's better than nothing IMO. BTW, why does ELD which was delivered in 1999 doesn't have a more modern system?
QF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6708 times:
Does anyone know the actual frame involved here all is everyone just surmising that it going to be an older mid range 9V-SM* registered plane?
SQ still owns 9V-SMB and -SMD which are leased to FJI and these are 1989 deliveries....
For all we know it could be one of the -SP* planes which were dleivered 1994 and 2001, so it's not really safe to assume anything until exact frames are announced.
Also NA, why are you assuming that these B744's if converted will become BCF's and not IAI/Bedek BDSF's?? Two completely different companies and Bedek is based at TLV where they are doing conversions as we speak.
With regards to SQ B744's...I've heard NW is looking some possibly acquistions.
Brenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6666 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 17): it's the equivalent of finding an immaculate 1966 Mustang with under 100,000 miles and one owner, a little old lady from Pasadena who only drove the car to church once or twice a week for the last 40+ years.
Would that be the little old lady from Pasadena that the Beach Boys sang about?
I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
Amirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5571 times:
My two main concerns are:
1. obviously safety - which we will not need to be worried about;
2. If they refit the interior with latest LY products. I am sure they will install new "F" and C class seats, but hoping they will install new Y seats like in the new 777 with latest AVOD system.
LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2565 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5526 times:
Quoting Amirs (Reply 23): 2. If they refit the interior with latest LY products. I am sure they will install new "F" and C class seats, but hoping they will install new Y seats like in the new 777 with latest AVOD system.
I don't think they will install the new Y seats since they won't replace the old seats of their own 744s and oldest 777s.
IMO, they will keep the old Y SQ seats.
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25 Semsem: LY is not in such strong financial condition. The cost saving must be considerable.
26 LY777: I hope they will recover soon. what I don't understand with LY is why they are always losing money. Their a/c are ALWAYS full (at least on the CDG ro
27 Dutchjet: I think that some are missing the key point here: 744s can be acquired on the second hand market at rather attractive prices and LY is probably making
28 AirbusA6: It makes lots of sense to purchase selectively on the used market, especially where then are airlines like SQ who turnover their fleet very regularly.
29 NA: I donÃ‚Â´t know if it will be BCFs ord BDSFs, the last is even more likely if you ask me. I just found it too long to write down. How would you
30 LXA340: Because this EL AL and financialy healthy or weak the decisions made by the airline where often not understandable.
31 Amirs: Actually LY posted on a few days ago a quarterly net profit of $41.2 million compared with $1.4 million a year earlier and revenue rose to $567 milli
32 Amirs: just read on their website, they they plan to upgrade the new a/c with LY interior "known for its high level of service" I wonder if that means old Y
33 PlaneHunter: Year-round, with satisfying yields? Enough to outweigh additional costs by introducing that type? Very likely some LY managers have evaluated all opt
34 Bok269: There's a DC-9 operator based in MSP who can attest to that. Glad to hear LY is getting another Jumbo to grace the skies over TLV.
35 InbarD: If they don't change their interior to their new product, then it will just look strange. I flew on one of the LY 737-800's from FRA to TLV and it did