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Sad Endings Here At Marana  
User currently offlineSCUMBAG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Such a great number of once proud sliver birds leaving here shredded and crushed, and the pace just grows by the day. As someone who was on the 747-100 one week after roll out, and who can still recall the absolute hysteria and wonderment that new Queen of the Sky's caused around the world, it just seems depressing that I see the bobcat over at the tear down area everyday busting this mighty machine up. Oh well, I read here about the breakneck phase of new aircraft coming out of Europe and here in the USA and I guess there has to be room made and this is progress! I salute these cold and now still marvels laying around the desert floor, who served us flawlessly for generations and united countless millions of loved ones decade after decade. The new generation of aircraft has quite a task to live up to, to mirror the service we got from these old timers.

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User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Whilst it is sad to see these machines, which took so much effort to build, being destroyed there is another way of looking at it.

The fact these these planes are being broken up means that they have successfully ended their careers doing what they were built to do. Much better to see an aircraft being destroyed at the end of it's service life than prematurely in an incident.


User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6656 times:

But the really important issue is, can you get me inside Fortress Marana ? Pretty please.  cheeky 

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Looks like one of those 747's being scrapped struck back. From the AZCentral web site on 11/22:

Associated Press
Nov. 22, 2007 01:13 PM
A man working on a Boeing 747 at an airstrip near Marana was critically hurt when the landing gear collapsed and he was trapped under the plane, authorities said.

The worker was part of a crew disassembling the retired passenger jet at Pinal Airpark Wednesday, Pinal County Sheriff's spokesman Mike Minter said.

For unknown reasons, the landing gear suddenly retracted and the plane fell, trapping Stanley Nye in the gear compartment, Minter said.

He was eventually freed and taken to a Tucson hospital, where he was in critical condition.


User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6352 times:

Hey! At least he can say a 747 has indeed landed on him. Gear first.!


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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6327 times:



Quoting SCUMBAG (Thread starter):
Queen of the Sky's caused around the world,

The A380 is the new queen of the sky now, there is no stopping progress.

I just drove by Marana today and I saw many 747's in the distance.

These machines served well, but at least they can be recycled.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9310 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6285 times:



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 5):
The A380 is the new queen of the sky now, there is no stopping progress.

how many A380s are there flying and how many 747s? (hint there are a sh*t load more 747s so i wouldn't say that the A380 is queen of anything but size)



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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6260 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):
wouldn't say that the A380 is queen of anything but size)

it's a term for the aircraft, not the numbers of aircraft flying. The 747 is a fine aircraft


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6191 times:



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 7):

it's a term for the aircraft, not the numbers of aircraft flying. The 747 is a fine aircraft

Being the queen of the skies has alot more than just size going for it.



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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6169 times:



Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 8):
queen of the skies has alot more than just size going for it.

I agree 100%. Not looking to start a flame war..just my own personal opinion follows: The A380 is a remarkable machine on its' own however there will always be one queen of the skies, the Boeing 747.



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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

I would say the Connie is the real queen of the Skies, it was a much more elegant looking aircraft, but to each his own.

User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6104 times:

Not long ago we were talking about the first flyable A320 that was scrapped, and likewise with the first 757. Since then, I'd like to know how many of each have been broken up, and what airline There's been quite a few of each already..

The Pro Air MD-90s that were built in the late 90s and flew for only about 2 years were being broken up the other day. Has this ever happened before where modern, and still pretty much "new" airliners have been broken up? My guess would be no.


User currently offlineD328 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5679 times:



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 10):
I would say the Connie is the real queen of the Skies, it was a much more elegant looking aircraft, but to each his own.

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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3935 times:



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 2):
But the really important issue is, can you get me inside Fortress Marana ? Pretty please.

I second that emotion....but i'm sure the answer is no....



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

I was just looking at Marana on Google Earth and I noticed a bunch of very exotic-looking small planes with canards outside the apron, to the N/NE of where it says "Final Airpark" (at 32º30'48"N 111º19'20"W). Does anybody know what type of plane that is?


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2823 times:



Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 14):
I was just looking at Marana on Google Earth and I noticed a bunch of very exotic-looking small planes with canards outside the apron, to the N/NE of where it says "Final Airpark" (at 32º30'48"N 111º19'20"W). Does anybody know what type of plane that is?

The name escapes me , but I know they were bought back my the manufacturer due to cracks.



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User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

They were the Beech Starship

If you see these aircraft being broken up every day could you possibly let us know which aircraft - scrapping dates even for 747s at Marana seem hard to come by. The best way to see these retired birds is to go to Tucson and hire a light aircraft and pilot, as I did in January. You can then fly in there and take photos.


User currently onlineDaBuzzard From Canada, joined Sep 2007, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Those would be Beech 2000 Starships.


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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 15):
but I know they were bought back my the manufacturer due to cracks.

there were no cracks.

Raytheon failed to sell enough aircraft to break even so they bought them back because keeping spare parts and providing maintenance was too expensive.

Several operators refused the buyback and are still operating those aircraft today.

http://www.bobscherer.com/Pages/Star...%20it's%20fleet%20of%20Starships?


"Why is Raytheon scrapping it's fleet of Starships?

Raytheon's response:

"In regards to your Starship query, we are indeed decommissioning the fleet. We made the business decision that because of the low number of aircraft in service, and the specialized parts necessary to keep the aircraft flying, that it did not make sense from a business standpoint to continue to support the aircraft."

[Edited 2007-11-23 09:24:57]

User currently offlineSCUMBAG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Want to get into MARANA..? fly in! anyone can do a flyover or touch and go.... it is a public taxpayer strip, they can not stop you from flying in or over the strip. ATC is busy with the army air guard choppers n the field, and federal law enforcement training going on in the old planes, but you can do a long slow touch and go, or like me.... live just outside the gate! as many planes are for sale you can go kick some tires with a broker and if you are a televangilest take up a 747 SP and buy it! (Rev Earnst Angely did

User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2413 times:



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 5):
The A380 is the new queen of the sky now, there is no stopping progress.

And some years down the road a whole new set of a.netters will report the first A380 being scrapped ... 'cause progress has overtaken that giant machine too.



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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2402 times:



Quoting SCUMBAG (Reply 19):
Want to get into MARANA..? fly in! anyone can do a flyover or touch and go

Yeah done that, but it's not the same as wandering around like when Schnozz Meyer was alive (GRHS). There was also an airshow one year (1990?) but then the 'iron curtain' came down.  brokenheart 


User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

I want to bring my cameras into Marana or Victorville or Mojave one warm summer night and do a bunch of night photography out there. Anybody know where I can get hooked up with that?

User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2323 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 20):
And some years down the road a whole new set of a.netters will report the first A380 being scrapped ... 'cause progress has overtaken that giant machine too.

yep, that's the way it goes. maybe the 797 ?  Smile


User currently offlineSCUMBAG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Indeed, go to youtube and get the videos of the 747 teardown, or the nose ride in the 747.... just keep looking for airplane graveyard until you find the guy who took a golf cart and romped all ovr the field, and rode in the nose wheel of a 747 with his video cam while it was being taxied across the field.... HE has the ability to get you in, and his youtube name is camper or Kamper something. he works for evergreen. Good luck!

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 25, posted (6 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 1996 times:



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 2):
But the really important issue is, can you get me inside Fortress Marana ? Pretty please.

If you read reply #3, you'll see why it is closed to the public for this very reason.



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