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User currently offlineBritannia25 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 76 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Hi

Apologies if this has been discussed here before but I was wondering about Continental and Emirates flights out of the UK (mainland) to Newark and Dubai. I think Emirates flies from Heathrow, Gatwick, Birmingham, Newcastle and Glasgow to Dubai with multiple weekly flights using large wide bodies planes - A332, B773 etc...! As a note I flew from GLA - Dubai on the 77W recently (and loved it). Anyway, back to the point, Continental also flies from Gatwick, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, Glasgow and Edinburgh again with multiple weekly flights. My question is why does CO not use large planes - 764, 762? I know that they probably use these for better and longer routes but if EK can fill its planes why couldn't CO? I see them as kind of having similar operations from the UK to their respective hubs. I'm not against 757s or anything, i'm just curious?

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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4260 times:



Quoting Britannia25 (Thread starter):
My question is why does CO not use large planes - 764, 762? I know that they probably use these for better and longer routes but if EK can fill its planes why couldn't CO? I see them as kind of having similar operations from the UK to their respective hubs. I'm not against 757s or anything, i'm just curious?

EK has a huge fleet that consists entirely of widebodies so of course any airport with EK service is going to be served by an widebody aircraft. CO on the otherhand has a limited number of widebodies so they have to be used where they are most required, since the UK is within the B752's range that isn't here. There are routes in the UK such as EDI and MAN that I'm sure would see B767 service if CO were able to spare them, unfortunately they can't which is why we see 2x daily B752s as an alternative.


User currently offlineDC10BHX From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

As Scottishladdie mentioned CO have a limited widebody fleet which can be better utilised on their busier markets. In all fairness to CO BHX used to see DC10 service (in the good old days) which was always nice to see especially when they were going out heavy (which was most days). We used to see double daily 757's in here which whilst it was nice to have it did not help out too much if you had a large pallet of cargo to get away.

Whilst CO and EK are going to major league hubs EK offer so many different alternative destinations it makes sense for them to throw their big guns into BHX. Whilst we will not see A380's in here there is still enough business to allow for B773 and A332 on a daily basis. When the going gets really busy we have in the past seen two x B773's on the same day.

We have in all fairness to CO seen B762 and B764 (rarely) into BHX but to be quite honest so long as we keep the flight here I will be happy. It was a sad day when the BA and AA services from BHX to the USA finished but so long as we keep one link to the USA it helps keep BHX up and running. I say this from a professional point of view using both services for cargo availability.



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User currently offlineGAWZU From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4049 times:



Quoting Britannia25 (Thread starter):
My question is why does CO not use large planes - 764, 762?

Why should they? The two carriers may serve the same UK cities but I'm not sure you can compare the two carriers like-for-like. The US market is very different to the DXB market, and likewise, the CO operation is very different to the EK operation...


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7380 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Beleive their 762 carries just about the same number of pax as a 757, except in different configuation i.e. more business class.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25473 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3810 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 4):
Beleive their 762 carries just about the same number of pax as a 757, except in different configuation i.e. more business class.

CO's 757-200s have one more seat (16 J ,159 Y, total 175) than their 767-200s (25 J, 149 Y, total 174).


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

As is rightly pointed out the actual Y seats on a 75 is more than a 76 and, as we all know, nobody north of Watford likes to pay for C/F... It is a real problem with CO from BHX as we cannot get seats at a good farer. The alternative I use is BRS as CO is always selling lower priced seats on this route. In fact for 2008 I have had to book clients from BRS for Aug as all the lower costed seats from BHX were closed or full. This is not doing CO any favours in the long run as clients will not even try for BHX flights.

User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5157 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3495 times:



Quoting DC10BHX (Reply 2):
As Scottishladdie mentioned CO have a limited widebody fleet which can be better utilised on their busier markets

its not so much to do with the busier markets, but more to do with range. As ScottishLaddie mentioned - the UK is perfectly within reach of a 757, whereas the rest of Europe is pushing the range of the aircraft a bit. As such they save the widebodies for these markets, as they have longer range and can operate without the risk of fuel stops.

Im sure there are plenty of markets in the UK that could easily support 764/777 service, but due to shortages of these aircraft they would rather stick to 757s on the route and save the widebodies for longer range service.



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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3461 times:



Quoting Britannia25 (Thread starter):
I think Emirates flies from Heathrow, Gatwick, Birmingham, Newcastle and Glasgow to Dubai

You missed out MAN.

From MAN, EK has two daily flights to Dubai with the 777-300ER (although I've seen a standard 777-300 turn up once or twice). CO also has two daily flights to EWR from MAN on the 757-200.

It's also worth noting that CO used to send the DC-10 to MAN, then the 777-200 before switching to 2x757-200s.


User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

Most of the airports mentioned have both CO and EK, but for instance BRS's runway is too short for anything bigger than a 767. What will happen when EK want to link to this part of the world? CWL? EXT? BOH?


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User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1053 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3318 times:



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 8):
It's also worth noting that CO used to send the DC-10 to MAN, then the 777-200 before switching to 2x757-200s.

And the 764!


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24938 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3163 times:



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 7):
Im sure there are plenty of markets in the UK that could easily support 764/777 service

MAN and London only. Others are 757/762 markets at best.



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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3082 times:



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 9):
Most of the airports mentioned have both CO and EK, but for instance BRS's runway is too short for anything bigger than a 767. What will happen when EK want to link to this part of the world?

They can always send an A330-200 down your neck of the woods, that's about as close as EK has to a 767 (and far superior).


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