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Info On Canadair CL-44?  
User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Hello!

I am looking for all possible info on the Canadair CL-44, like detailed tech data, maybe scans out of the OPS manual, drawings and pictures.

Does anyone of you know something about "the monster" as they used to call the CL-44?


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There is an excellent webpage on the CL-44, on Cargolux's aircraft and on Icelandic aviation in General at http://www.cl44.com , but I am still looking for more technical information in addition to this one.

So...any help would be appreciated  

Best regards,

Thomas





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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Oh, Ceilidh will have lots of info for you.

Mind you, most of it is BS, but that's ok. He's a very skilled pilot and executive. Just ask him. He'll tell you so.

DeltaSFO



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

I have part-ownership in the last two CL44s; both of which are currently in Kinshasa. They were acquired from Tradewinds a couple of years back.

Email me with the information you're looking for and I'll see what we can do.

DeltaSFO considering you're supposedly a ticket clerk, don't you have some pax to check in or something? Don't be a complete assh*le your whole lifr.


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

DeltaSFO considering you're supposedly a ticket clerk, don't you have some pax to check in or something? Don't be a complete assh*le your whole lifr.

Getting a little defensive, eh Ceilidh? LOL  

I suppose you want me to leave you to tell your lies in peace.

DeltaSFO



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Patroni -here's a pic of one of our aircraft:


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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Yeah... just ignore the posts... maybe they'll just disappear and everything will be okay.

That pic could be any a/c.

Come on Ceilidh... scan the title and reg of the aircraft, as well as a copy of your ATP while you're at it, then maybe we'll think about taking you more seriously.

OTOH, you could always doctor one up, so who knows...

DeltaSFO



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineBikeman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

Email me for gen, I'll see what I can rustle up.
I was the engineer responsible for getting the last bird out of GSO at the end of '99.
Lots on the website with regards to the surviving airframes is not correct, some of it deliberatly so.
Ignore that plonker Ceilidh, you can get better info out of plane-spotter's books than from him.


User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

CEILIDH,

>>I have part-ownership in the last two CL44s; both of >>which are currently in Kinshasa. They were acquired >>from Tradewinds a couple of years back.
>>Email me with the information you're looking for and >>I'll see what we can do. "

Thanks for your kind offer! In the first place I would be interested if you could send me a scan of the Aircraft Operating Manual showing the dimensions of the CL-44, also a speed table would be appreciated.

My email address is patroni@classicliners.com

Thanks and best regards,

Thomas
ELLX



User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Hello,

thanks for your kind offer, please check your mailbox!

Best regards,

Thomas


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Strange, Bikeman, I thought Mike Snow did it pretty much on his own? Thats what he told me, anyway!   

User currently offlineBikeman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Check your own info that you've given in the past on the CL44. Duh. You've only given info you've got second hand from Mike or from a plane-spotter's mag.
Stop claiming credit for things you haven't done.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3223 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

I remember 2 CL-44s in Kinshasa were destroyed by fire in a hangar there last year. The enormously destructive airport fire also claimed a Caravelle and a 707. Were those the 2 planes that came from Tradewinds? Additionally, does anybody know how many of them still exist (the last count I had from 1998 says 8)?

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineBikeman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

We had 2 CL44 at Kinshasa at the time of the blast, neither were in hangers, one was only moments away from starting her engines to fly. Both sustained damage, and as yet only 1 has been returned to operational status.
One of our pilot's investigated the Yukon in Guayaquil in July last year, but we were surprised to see that cl44.com is now saying she's been scrapped. Others we know for sure are our 2 in Kinshasa, 1 in Brazzaville (all ex-Tradewinds).


User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Patroni,

Can't help you but you've jogged my memory of happy days in my youth watching the Transmeridian Cargo CL-44's (including their Guppy) arriving and departing at STN.

Always thought the swinging tail was pretty cool.

You take them for granted at the time, but now certainly miss aircraft like these.



L1011 - P F M
User currently offlineWhisperingiant From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Bikeman/Trintocan

Interesting stuff. Re my post on the City Connexions Yukon, can you shed any light?

Ta

- wg -



"So quiet, you can hear the fizz in your drink..."
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

Cosnidering that the Yukon had piston engines, steam driven avionics and not a lot of commonality spares-wise with the CL44, there wouldn't be any logical point in acquiring it! Having said that, Mike Snow doesn't consult his partners much ... which gets him into trouble.

User currently offlineBikeman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

Screwed that one up Ceilidh.
The CL28 Argus was a piston engined derivative of the Britannia, developed as a martime recon aircraft for the Canadian Armed Forces.
The CL44-6 was the Yukon. The CL44-D4 was the unnamed swingtail freighter. Commonality between the Yukon and the swingtail is over 90%. Differences revolve around the cockpit windows (ala Britannia for Yukon, CV990 for the swingtail), cockpit crewing arrangements (1 extra man for the Yukon), APU in the nose wheel well in the Yukon, and of course a hinged rear end on the swingtail. And except for the military specific avionics, both fits are identical.
Get your facts straight.


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

OOPS!!!! LOL

Bikeman.....  Big thumbs up

DeltaSFO



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

wish I too could help... but it does bring back childhood memories of Flying Tigers at EWR.... The CL-44s were commonplace there in the 60s. Those tails were cool. The Civilian version flown by Icelandic/Loftleider was a sight too..especially surviving so far into the jet age...

Tom


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