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AF Fined For Forcing 175 Kg Pax To Buy 2 Seats  
User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

AF have been ordered to pay €8000 compensation plus the cost of the second seat to a 175 Kg (385 lb) passenger who was denied boarding unless he stumped up for a second seat.

The passenger was measured with wrapping tape in the gate area.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/23/air_france_compensation/

Good job WN don't fly in France.

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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9697 times:

Put him into an LD3 and ship him as freight in the belly, for a lumpsum.

Imagine this guy sitting in a normal Y center seat on a full flight. Would his seat neighbours get compensation as well? Even if he takes A and B I would not want to be the guy in C.

I had this experience once with an Austrian lady on a LH flight CDG-FRA, that was in C class and she had the aisle seat with the center seat free, she was still, what we call in freight, overlapping.

I pitied the poor fella who sat next to her on the connecting F70 to SZG.



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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9692 times:

I am absolutely fuming with this incident, and I think Air France were well within their right to charge him for 2 seats.

Just think of the people sitting next to him! This guy weighs 3 times what I do, and I'm think if there were 3 of me in an economy class seat it would have been pretty uncomfortable for me and everyone around me.

It is this lardos fault that he is so fat, he must therefore accept the consequences of his actions, and except that as a consequence of being so disgustingly large he must stump up for two seats for the benefit and comfort of his fellow passengers.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9645 times:

While I agree that AF was rioght to charge him for an extra seat, it IMO should have been done a bit differently. If the article was accurate, then he should not have been measure and stuff in front of other passengers, a 'pulling over' to the side and a chat would have been how I would have liked it to be handled if I was fat.

I guess he was embarrased more than anything else at what aparantly happened in front of the other PAX. But IMO AF was right in asking for a second seat to be paid for and should not have been fined. A simnple apology and a small gift for the embarassment would have been sufficient


User currently offlineELAL 744 From Israel, joined Jun 2000, 170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9590 times:
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I am upset with your replies. If any airline makes it policy to make obese passengers buy extra seats, then so be it. But since there is no said policy, AF should have been fined and who ever gave the order to humiliate the passenger fired.

Measuring his size – in front of other passengers. Next stage they will be looking at the shape of his skull or the shade of his skin to decide if he needs any “extra assistance”

It is the luck of the draw who you sit next to. Sometimes fat and sometime a hot supermodel and sometime a smelly old guy with flatulence and sometimes a kind old lady who gives you home baked cookies and sometimes a screaming baby.

If racial profiling is immoral, how immoral is judging someone by their size?

To B747-4U3 I ask would you use a racial euphemism (like the N word) to describe anyone? Then why “lardos”?

I hope you and PanHAM always get to sit next to supermodels or movie stars who give you oral sex during take off. Other than that get off you high horse and show some sensitivity.



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User currently offlineBelow From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

Sorry, I have to join in the general sentiment: I have been seated next to obese passengers in coach, and I should ask for compensation!

As I am just a relatively small guy, it is easy for the obese person next to me to expand into my space.

I do not know about AF, but a number of airlines have provisions for making you buy a second seat. However -- I should say unfortunately -- they do not enforce the regulations often.

And at least one of my friends actually just buys two seats, because he does not want to risk being stuffed in one Y place.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9547 times:



Quoting ELAL 744 (Reply 4):

I hope you and PanHAM always get to sit next to supermodels or movie stars

I've been through all the categories you mentioned, except getting that indecent job in public of course. A sreaming baby will stop screaming after a while and children have that right, never makes me angry. A seat neighbour who talks you deaf will stop talking if you don't reply and mind your own business.

But sitting next to such a guy for 8 hours in an Y seat is not bad luck., it is torture. Not only for the fellow passengers but for the guy himself.

BTW, I am not exactly small myself, but I am not "overlapping", if I were, I would rather buy 2 Y tickets for my own comfort.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

Good on AF for charging, not good in the way they went about it.

Nothing worse than sitting next to a large (usually sweating with BO) person in the seat next to you and overlapping to take up half your seat.

IATA really should be the ones to stand up and propose it as a rule to all member airlines... pax over a certain weight/size must be given 2 seats or business class and airlines be allowed to charge for it. It would then be up to the airline to decide whether they wanted to charge for or just give that seat away. I think most would end up charging if it became common practise.

Unlike other forms of transportation, entertainment etc etc airline seats can often be for very long periods of time (ok so train trips can be long too but they have room onboard for bigger seats). Trains, buses etc are not really affected performance or fuel cost-wise by the weight of a passenger....airlines are....on a transcontinental flight an aircraft can easily burn 350-500kg of fuel per pax of standard weight (approx 80kg for most airlines) sure the plane carries some freight etc but thats beside the point. An airline with a fuel bill of $300 per normal sized pax suddenly has to pay double or more effectively because of a large obese passenger without getting any extra $ from that passenger. 160kg = double, 240kg = triple. 240kg might sound unlikely, but I've been there seen a pax unable to sit in a wheelchair (until the side rails were removed) being pushed (the tires were compressed flat by the weight) and it does happen.
Fair enough they have a right to travel, but like everyone else they should pay their fair share.



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5410 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9464 times:

From reading the article, it seems to me the fine wasn't so much about charging for an extra ticket it was how they went about the procedure. Since AF has no stated policy concerning fat people in Y, they can't just make up arbitrary rules on the spot.

I'm all for the 'extra seat' rule...unfortunately, AF doesn't have one so it's merely harassment. What the EU has to do is tack an addendum onto their passenger bill of rights;

Every passenger is entitled to the seat space they pay for and any incursion is subject to compensation. Further, a passenger is entitled to ONLY the seat space they pay for and if they are unable to remain within the boundary defined by the size of the seat, as many additional seats as necessary must be purchased by that customer until these requirements are met.

Publish that on every booking site, travel agency, ticket office and at check in. Make it a required question/answer when purchasing the ticket so there is no chance of misunderstanding. This keeps it as private as possible and avoids embarrassment.



What the...?
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9413 times:

Well, there´s a point, if he´s 2,3meter tall, would it be the same?
Shall tall people be forced to pay extra?


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9399 times:



Quoting ELAL 744 (Reply 4):

Agreed.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
From reading the article, it seems to me the fine wasn't so much about charging for an extra ticket it was how they went about the procedure. Since AF has no stated policy concerning fat people in Y, they can't just make up arbitrary rules on the spot.

Agreed.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 8):
Every passenger is entitled to the seat space they pay for and any incursion is subject to compensation. Further, a passenger is entitled to ONLY the seat space they pay for and if they are unable to remain within the boundary defined by the size of the seat, as many additional seats as necessary must be purchased by that customer until these requirements are met.

That's a bit difficult. Is a passenger really paying for a seat or rather for a passage from A to B? While I don't oppose to the aforementioned One-Seat-Rule, said rule was obviously inexistent, and the "AF show" was indeed pretty poor.

And this: "He was then told that since the flight was full, he'd have to pay for the seat next to him to ensure some breathing space."
Does that actually make sense? The flight was full, but he was forced to buy another seat... I thought the flight was full?



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5410 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9398 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 9):
Shall tall people be forced to pay extra?

Tall people would only have to pay extra if they encroach into another person's paid for space. If they can stand being scrunched up, that's up to them.



What the...?
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9315 times:



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 11):
Tall people would only have to pay extra if they encroach into another person's paid for space. If they can stand being scrunched up, that's up to them.

If a tall person gets into the aisle with his/her legs should they be forced to buy another seat?


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9281 times:



Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
While I agree that AF was right to charge him for an extra seat, it IMO should have been done a bit differently. If the article was accurate, then he should not have been measure and stuff in front of other passengers, a 'pulling over' to the side and a chat would have been how I would have liked it to be handled if I was fat.

I agree......AF was totally inappropriate in the way they handled the situation. IF there is a concern about weight/size/etc, it should never be done in a public manner.

Quoting ELAL 744 (Reply 4):
If racial profiling is immoral, how immoral is judging someone by their size?

Agreed, if the question is judging. If the question is weight EXCLUSIVELY as to the seat, contract of carriage, I would look at it differently.

Quoting Below (Reply 5):
I do not know about AF, but a number of airlines have provisions for making you buy a second seat.

This is true on several US flag carriers -- usually found in the Contract of Carriage. From the ones I've read, usually a set weight limit or when a person can't sit in a seat w/o the arm rests down (or similar language). If a pair of seats if open, I've seen gate agents give them the two seats w/o charge -- again depending on how full the flight is.

Dave



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User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9273 times:

I would extend this porposed policy of paying for an extra seat if one is larger than the norm and encroaching on personal space to carry-on luggage. Just as I deserve some comfort when I pay a lot for a seat, I would like the same privilege for being able to store my normal carry-on in the overhead compartment easily and not trying to jam it in there thanks to all those a**holes who have to bring the kitchen sink with them onboard. Why should I have to put my little rucksuck in front of me and not be able to stretchy legs due to the fact that someone needs to bring their 2 laptops, portable DVD player and god knows what else ...

/Milan320



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5410 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9249 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
If a tall person gets into the aisle with his/her legs should they be forced to buy another seat?

Yes. You pay for the space of one seat. Due to practical constraints, not every body shape can be accommodated by an airline. That's impossible. What you have to default to, though, are those who do fit into those spaces.

When someone encroaches on your space, you are not getting what you have paid for. When someone encroaches on public space, safety is compromised.

You are entitled to what YOU have paid for. You are not entitled to what someone else has paid for.



What the...?
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9202 times:

The question no one asked yet is, how he got from Paris to Delhi without having the same problem. The answer might be, that this flight was not full.


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9155 times:



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 15):
Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
If a tall person gets into the aisle with his/her legs should they be forced to buy another seat?

Yes. You pay for the space of one seat. Due to practical constraints, not every body shape can be accommodated by an airline. That's impossible. What you have to default to, though, are those who do fit into those spaces.

When someone encroaches on your space, you are not getting what you have paid for. When someone encroaches on public space, safety is compromised.

You are entitled to what YOU have paid for. You are not entitled to what someone else has paid for.

Exactly my opinion as well, I had this discussion before on a Swedish travelling site and majority of those youngster
said, fat people should pay extra, tall people shouldn´t, it´s not your fault if you´re tall. Which I think is completely wrong.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5410 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9072 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 17):
it´s not your fault if you´re tall.

True, but it is your fault if your height restricts someone else's use of their space. Nobody is forcing anybody to fly. Passengers have the rights of consumers in a transaction to actually get what they pay for.

Many people are fat for medical reasons as valid as those which make a person tall. Does that mean they should be allowed into your space? Of course not.

The physical space part is easy. Where it gets difficult is when the encroachment is by sound or scent. What if you're trapped beside a person with very strong and offensive body odour? Or a perfume you are allergic to...or even just really hate? And, of course, we can't forget about screaming baby syndrome.

Similar warnings to the ones I suggested earlier would be a good start. When you buy your ticket, from any agency, in person or online, it should be made very clear that proper personal hygiene is a prerequisite to flying on a commercial airliner. The problem is that it is very subjective and in reality, and it seems is less of an issue and much more difficult to enforce.



What the...?
User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9010 times:

The way they measured him was a bad thing but I do believe AF did everything right by forcing him to buy a second seat.

User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8972 times:



Quoting ELAL 744 (Reply 4):
Other than that get off you high horse and show some sensitivity.

How about you try sitting in 3/4 of a Y class seat for 6 hours because your seatmate is so obese that he can't put the armrests down, and see how sensitive you are?

Quoting Below (Reply 5):
Sorry, I have to join in the general sentiment: I have been seated next to obese passengers in coach, and I should ask for compensation!

Good point. When I buy a ticket, I expect a full seat.

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 9):
Well, there´s a point, if he´s 2,3meter tall, would it be the same?
Shall tall people be forced to pay extra?

Only if they infringe on other seats.

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 19):
The way they measured him was a bad thing but I do believe AF did everything right by forcing him to buy a second seat.

I agree that their methods leave a bit to be desired, but they were right to require him to pay for two seats if he cannot fit into one.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8929 times:

I tend to agree that AF handled this situation in an unprofessional and customer unfriendly way, prompting the compensation for damages. Perhaps what should have been done is to ask the person of size to go on to the a/c separately before the rest of the pax to see if they could fit in the seat and if a problem to discreetly discuss the need to purchase an additional seat to them.
I agree with what others suggested that the EU and IATA should have agreed standards as to when a person 'of large size' has to purchase a 2nd seat to safely and comfortably carry them and to the comfort of other pax. On a full or very full flight, you may lose revenue for that seat if have to give it up to accommodate a person of size without additional fare. To ask for additional fare is not an offense in the USA as to the American with Disabilities Act although embarassing someone like AF did could be.
Southwest Airlines and most in the USA has a good and fair policy for 'persons of size'. They may request the person board the a/c early and try to see if they can fit into the seat with the armrest down. If they cannot, then they will asked to pay for an additional seat and the flight is near full or full or transfer to another flight They will refund the additional fare if it turns out there are enough empty seats.


User currently offlineInbarD From Israel, joined Jan 2007, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8930 times:

Comeon 175kg, i think thats big enough to buy a second seat. The guy himself should know that he can only fit in one seat. Plus being that obese and not buying a second seat is just selfish if there are people next to you. I certainly wouldn't want somebody's gut flowing all over my arm rest and into my seat. Plus if you ask me, AF did a good thing, giving a guy a wake up call to start loosing some weight! Of course i don't agree with them pulling out measuring tape and measuring his circumferences in front of everyone that is just rude.

[Edited 2007-11-23 05:44:34]

User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1808 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8916 times:

I was once the guy's weight, (a little under his weight), but I was fat. I lost almost 100 pounds and now I am better. One of the reasons whyI lost the weight for was to avoid situation like this. It is not fair for a person to be squashed by another person simply because of his weight. He should thank Air France, and take this lesson as motivation to go and loose the weight.

Ironinically, what made me loose weight, is that the doctor in the airport refused to give me nose drops saying that I have blood pressure and on the verge of diabetes. Next day, I was wearing a tennis shoes, and jogging an hour daily with a strict diet!



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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8881 times:



Quoting ELAL 744 (Reply 4):
If racial profiling is immoral, how immoral is judging someone by their size?

For one thing there's a differnce between what is moral and what is legal. Air France clearly did not have the law on their side.

A person's race is beyond their control. A person's weight is, in most cases, a personal choice based on action and a conciencious choice.

Weight is also a safety issue. If everyone on a flight were obese the payload estimates could go very wrong with fatal consequences. Just as passengers have to pay for excess baggage, those who occupy two seats should have to pay for that use. It's like anybody can bring 100 kg excess baggage without paying for it.


25 B6MoneyGuyJFK : I'm a big guy. Not so big as to need an extension, but certainly need most of the seat-belt. I'm thinking to myself, how would I feel in that guys pla
26 Post contains images Francoflier : I don't understand some people... Why is he mad at AF for charging him twice? He doesn't seem to bother paying twice for food... Fat joke five!
27 Analog : While genetics may influence weight, it does not determine it. Equating a characteristic like weight with race, thereby implying that nondiscriminati
28 Post contains images WildcatYXU : With AF's current cabin changes everybody over 175 cm of height and 75 kg of weight will have to buy two Y seats anyway so what?
29 Abrelosojos : = Great responses. I mean, a measuring tape in front of people ... too much. I think ELAL 744, PavlovsDog hit the perfect answer. I would consider it
30 FlySSC : I think I have to inform you better than the journalists do about this incident, as one of my friend was on duty on board this flight as a Chief Purse
31 Tdscanuck : They sold him one seat...that's in their policy. He physically can't fulfil his part of the contract of carriage...they don't need a separate policy
32 Mika : It's not nessescarilly his fault that he's overweight, there are illnesses as well as certain types of medications that make you swell like a baloon.
33 Post contains images PlymSpotter : JGPH1A, 43, described himself as "deeply humiliated" when airline staff intercepted him at New Delhi airport as he was returning from holiday in Augus
34 BlueSkys : Policy or no policy, if his body is rolling into my seat that I paid full fare for than I should be compensated or the large passenger or me should b
35 A342 : But on most airlines, legroom in Y would really suck... I think that airlines should assign/offer exit row seats for very tall people free of charge.
36 Elcableguy77 : Being a cabin crew member, I can agree with the result AF was after, but certainly not the way they went about it. It seems unfortunate that this fell
37 YULWinterSkies : only on the A380 lower deck where they would have to open the ceiling to make room for his head, losing one seat upstairs... He probably does, and on
38 PiedmontINT : Now that is a classy move.. Im not so sure many people would do something like that in today's society. I could see a pax asking if another Y seat wa
39 Aa757first : Sitting next to someone with a different skin color does not affect anyone's seat. Sitting next to someone who is encroaching into your seat affects
40 Post contains images Davescj : Surely there is something in the contract of carriage? Dave
41 PanAm1971 : Good. I'm still pissed about the... rotund man that globbed over the armrest into my seat space, squishing me against the window eight years ago on KL
42 Post contains images SPREE34 : A breath before posting helps me sometimes. Would you be upset with half of your seat gone for 9 hours? That is probably the truth of the whole matte
43 Tdscanuck : Well, the legroom in Y really sucks on most airlines. I'm just used to it. I'm not sure about giving exit row to tall people free of charge...althoug
44 Post contains images A342 : Agreed. A fat pax can also chose to fly business class, but it's much more expensive. My point is: A tall passenger should be given the opportunity t
45 Stickers : I havent read all the posts, so if this has been said then i apologise. I was just wondering about safety issues and a passsenger that large being abl
46 Post contains images Ncelhr : The gentleman was interviewed on French TV. He mentioned that he was pleased with the outcome of the court, and would now push the government to make
47 Dz09 : These seats do exist. I sat in one 2 days ago on an AF flight (A320). I tried lifting the armrest but couldn't, it moved sideways instead.
48 Goldorak : this is not in the objective to make more space for a "fat pax" travelling in Y. In AF (as well as for a lot of other european airlines), European C
49 DZ09 : This was a Y-class seat.
50 InbarD : Isn't it dangerous being that big too. I mean it must be a safety hazard, can the seat even support 175kg's? or what about if the plane crashes will t
51 Zkpilot : no they shouldn't have to pay and as pointed out if they can stand to be scrunched then go for it. Any passenger can put their feet into the aisles..
52 DZ09 : Being big doesn't necessarily mean you're obese. Being big can be a natural thing. Obviously you have not been to Texas!
53 Analog : If flying on such an aircraft I'll suddenly discover that I'm also a "large passenger" and need such a seat. Many passengers will probably discover t
54 JoeCanuck : Or tall people can get an operation to make them shorter. Not much different, really. Obviously, we can take your knowledge of medicine and biology w
55 Beeweel15 : And I bet they had more spending money for TLV.
56 PureKiwi : I've been thinking about this issue for a while and I've decided the next time I have an obese passenger who can't fit within the armrest's im going t
57 FlyDeltaJets87 : Oh good lord. Everytime these "make fat people buy 2 seats" threads come up, the "should tall people have to buy an extra seat too?" comes up as well
58 Post contains images Abrelosojos : Reading A.Net sometimes makes me think the world has lost all its compassion in its pursuit for self interest. I initially thought while AF went about
59 SkyguyB727 : I was once on a 3.5 hour flight and got the last seat on a full B757. It was a middle seat at the back. I was grateful to be onboard until I saw who I
60 JoeCanuck : ...and you know this because you've done or studied research on genetics, obesity and the medical implications thereof, right? On many an occasion, I
61 Post contains images SyeaphanR : Anybody here remember seventies Swissair ads, plugging their bigger seats, for the bigger Swiss posterior? Yep, they really said that! Different times
62 EDICHC : Many people who are obese can attribute their condition to 'other' medical' problems as you put it. Those people who require long term systemic stero
63 MCIGuy : Did I miss something? Are airlines suddenly non-profit? Is jet fuel suddenly free?
64 Beeweel15 : Ok folks I am a big guy sorry to say that but: 1 - I do believe went the AF wrong way with this guy period 2 - I blame the guy a bit as he knew the si
65 Post contains images Fridgmus : I have no problem with large pax having to purchase an additional seat, but the way that AF humiliated this guy just enrages me. I'm a big guy myself,
66 FlySSC : I think I have to inform you better than the journalists do about this incident, as one of my friend was on duty on board this flight as a Chief Purs
67 Siege2L : I agree. I am too tired at this late hour to copy and paste the information, however, there is a policy for overweight passengers that is clearly lis
68 Post contains images Zkpilot : Yeah tall people should just get their leg bones amputated right? give me a break! Since you mention it, how about we hear about your knowledge of me
69 JoeCanuck : It was a joke...lighten up...so to speak. I've never had to buy a second seat and fit nicely into any regular y seat I've purchased, thanks for carin
70 Cjpark : Funny thing of all the replies to this thread no one has made this point. If I was forced to pay for two seats on an airline flight because I am supp
71 Post contains images Fridgmus : FlySSC, Thanks for the clarification, but as I said, I had no problem with the guy being charged for a second seat. I think extra large pax should be
72 Goldorak : May be I wasn't clear in my post (sorry if it's the case). At AF, they can modulate the number of C-class row in the medium-haul A/C depending on the
73 Alessandro : Being tall can be medically related, I don´t think it´s only to do with genetics, but sure it´s harder to do something about it than if you´re bi
74 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : You've got to be kidding me. The percentage that my height is an advantage is far greater the percentage that it's a disadvantage- more so than what
75 DZ09 : I was seated in 19C on an A320 from OTP to CDG and that was about the middle of the aircraft. I did see the seats you're referring to in C class and
76 FlyCaledonian : OKay, I'm 6'5'' and should buy a second seat because I infringe on someone's space? Is that the seat in front so nobody can recline? I flew the other
77 JoeCanuck : So what is the alternative? To penalize the person in front by having knees jammed in their back? So you get to save 25 quid at their expense? Why sh
78 Speedbird128 : I don't care who sits next to me - as long as I do not have their bulges of fat on MY LAP. If they are unable to keep themselves inside their seat di
79 Glacote : That's really open to debate actually. As shoking as it is - what if that was precisely the goal? Does AF really care about the business of overweigh
80 57AZ : The manner in which AF approached the situation was not appropriate, but extra obese passengers should either be required to purchase the second seat
81 Post contains images BlueSkys : That was my point actually, sorry you missed it... If you are too large, buy two seats and use them, they are for you. If you are too large and buy o
82 Cjpark : No, that is not my point. If an airline singles me out as being too big for the seat I paid for and insists that I buy another seat then the seat nex
83 CitrusCritter : Let me know how being 6'7 (~ 2 meters) is under my control, and I'll agree to your policy. Tell me what good buying that second seat is. Am I to stre
84 BlueSkys : I agree, 100%
85 JoeCanuck : Is it my fault you are tall? No. Sure, it's not yours either, but it's definitely not mine or the airlines. Why should I let you make my life uncomfo
86 BlueSkys : Could not have put it better myself! Cheers!
87 57AZ : Most US carriers won't allow you to advance book a seat in exit rows due to the FAA regs governing who may sit there. This is one reason that I like
88 707lvr : God I'm glad I won't live to see the day that uttering the word "lardo" will get you a trip to Sensitivity Training Camp.
89 Planeloco : I have a question. How much does AF or at least all of the US carriers charge their fat flight attendants for an extra jump seat?
90 BlueSkys : Most Airlines stay away from 'Fat' flight attentents, or at least I have never see one that I can call 'Fat'. It is a job where you need to have a re
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