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LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.  
User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17703 times:
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Last week a couple on board a US Airways flight (#1473) from SEA-LAS attempted to join the "Mile High Club." Apparently they got things started in their seat, and then moved the "action" in to the lav. The flight attendants then told them they had to return to their seats, and quit their behavior. An argument erupted and the flight was diverted to PDX.(http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA1473/history/20071115/2323Z/KSEA/KLAS)

The couple was forced off, and the flight resumed to LAS. However, a few other PAX were angered, and thought that US Airways over reacted.

Original Story: http://www.kptv.com/news/14610558/detail.html

A-nutters, did US overreact? Should the flight attendants should have just left the couple alone? Or were they right in kicking them off at PDX, regardless of the ire of other PAX? What's your opinion?

-HSII


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User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17671 times:

Complete overreaction IMO.

They should have just let them get on with it then warn them about their behaviour afterwards.


User currently onlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2091 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17671 times:



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Thread starter):
However, a few other PAX were angered, and thought that US Airways over reacted.

I didn't see this in the written or video news report cited.


User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17633 times:
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Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 2):
I didn't see this in the written or video news report cited.

I originally heard this story on a news radio program. Maybe they asked people on their own? I googled the story, and this local came up. I believe there are probably other news stories with the part about other PAX being angered.

-HSII



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17590 times:



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Thread starter):
Or were they right in kicking them off at PDX, regardless of the ire of other PAX?

I think it depends on how disruptive they were being. If it was getting out of hand, then yes....land and off they go. I wonder if they hadn't started in the seat (making it obvious) and then not returning to their seat (was the seatbelt sign on?) or a long line was forming for the bathroom, or something similar, I can see them landing.

Remember, the airplane lav is considered a public place, so arrest is a possibility.

If it were at night, no one being bothered, no danger, etc etc etc I'd be more likely to say over reaction.

But with the little information, if in doubt trust the capt's judgement. I can't see him wasting the time and gas for nothing....it wouldn't make sense and cost too much money. It isn't in the article, but I'd be surprised if the FAs didn't try and get them to come out more than once and possible the FO as well. No?

Dave



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6186 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17587 times:
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It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again

 Big grin



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17466 times:



Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again

Before I noticed AR385 was from Mexico, I thought he might have been one of the Republican candidates for President of the USA.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5026 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17341 times:

There is not enough information to judge the issue on either side. If anything, I hope they had a quickie in PDX before boarding another flight.  Wink


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17226 times:



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Thread starter):
A-nutters, did US overreact? Should the flight attendants should have just left the couple alone? Or were they right in kicking them off at PDX, regardless of the ire of other PAX? What's your opinion?

The question as to whether the airline over-reacted is a completely moot one--it's the airline's flight, and the airline's (and FAA's) rules for everyone on the aircraft--and nobody else gets a "vote" on the issue.

If the romantic couple wants to get it on, more power to them, but their ticket price paid doesn't "entitle" them to offend any of the 100+ others on the flight, who also paid for their tickets.


User currently offlineMicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 777 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17185 times:



Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again

Issue has nothing to do with religion or god. Assuming this is all the couple did, that crew appears to have over-reacted big time. Jeez.



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User currently offlineBWI757 From Israel, joined Dec 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17168 times:

Um, Mic - did you notice what appeared UNDER the statement?

OPNLguy is spot-on as usual



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User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17117 times:

Oh big deal, a lil bit of mile-high action! Doesnt do anybody any harm if its in the lav! No, getting caught cannot be forgiven!

User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16971 times:

I'll bet they were drunk and got beligerant ....

User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1588 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16955 times:

Jeez, it would have been over in like a minute right? Let them go at it and be done with it! lol


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User currently offlineBirdbrainz From United States of America, joined May 2005, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16955 times:

Without knowing the details, my first reaction is to let the flight continue, but have the police waiting for them at LAS.

That way, everyone else's trip isn't screwed up. I'd also consider blacklisting them.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17064 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16895 times:

Think that US overreacted. Why all this problem, when they could let the couple finish what they started??


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User currently offlineStevenG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16515 times:

Why Is US Always Rated The Worst? (by USAirALB Nov 21 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Well, if it's really true about the lavatories at US, then that must be a kind of warning system for 'club members'.
"Don't enter the lavatory for that purpose or we (crew or toilet) will hit back!"  Wink


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16298 times:



Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again

I agree here but it seems that everyone thinks sex is as normal and should be as open as eating dinner.
People these days give themselves more privacy when picking their noses or pulling a wedgie out of their ass than they do about sex....

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
The question as to whether the airline over-reacted is a completely moot one--it's the airline's flight, and the airline's (and FAA's) rules for everyone on the aircraft--and nobody else gets a "vote" on the issue.

If the romantic couple wants to get it on, more power to them, but their ticket price paid doesn't "entitle" them to offend any of the 100+ others on the flight, who also paid for their tickets.

I dont think USAirways should have dirverted the flight to PDX but what they should have done, was to arrest the couple once they landed in in LAS......Not only did they create a disruption to other passengers, they also created a situation of diverting all the attention of the F/As from other suties and passengrs...

In addition, who the heck would want to use the LAV with sex sloppin's left behind???EWWWWW!!!! If they were that blatant about "doing-it" in the john, I seriously doubt that they would have taken the time to clean up afterward....

People have no shame anymore, but It was up to the crew so they did what they thought most appropriate..

I can relate as flying back home My Airline's Cessna 402 from ORD-SQI, we had a couple that was way too drunk and frisky to fly and midway thru the flight the lady decides to go ahead and move to sit face to face on her husband or boyfreind's lap, giivng him a lap dance!!!!!!...And in addition they decided to light up a cigarette....This is not a good thin to try to do in a CG senstive aircraft like a Cessna 402B!!!!!!!
Because our Captain who was also our Directior of Operations at that time was "fond of the drink" and also a smoker, he didnt do what he should have done....Had the Police arrest them for lewd behaviour and smoking when it was illegal...He claimed that it would have hburt the airline's reputation to have them arrested for breaking an FAA regulation....If I had been in charge they would have been sitting their asses in a jail and been paying a fine!!!!!!!!!!

I am glad that USAirways did this as it will send a message to other potential sex-aholics and that is:
"Don't F**ck Around on USAirways!!!! Pardon the censored profanity.....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16226 times:

I assume that the couple will be charged for diversion costs! This was the case recentley of a British couple who on their honeymoon, diverted a jumbo to Bermuda from the U.K. enroute to the US for the same thing...(Related story was here on A.net) That will be the most expensive romance those two will have for a while!

Anyone care to guess how much??


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16161 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 18):
Anyone care to guess how much??

I'm guessing more than the hotel cost?

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6560 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16090 times:

This is a little more extreme than the "skirt too short too fly" issue which happened recently. I think if the people were stupid enough to get caught, more power to the flight crew for responding in a way they deemed fit. There are discreet and non-discreet ways of going about the "mile high club", but even still, doing it in an airplane lavatory is not exactly the cleanest or most private place in the world to get it on. I too agree that diverting the flight was probably excessive, and that arresting them upon landing at the original destination would be the way to go.

Where's the decency in the world!?  Wink


User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15777 times:

my friend was working the flt . he was lead. he told me that they got really nasty when told to get ouit of the lavotory. it got pretty bad so they had to call the authorities.

User currently offlinePanAm1971 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15412 times:

"Mile High Club." Hmm. Does this club have any privledges? Is like the now defunct "Players Club Card"? Did Telly Savalis do any commercials for the club before he kicked off? As for myself, when I look in the mirror in the aircraft toilet I can't believe how bad I look. I can't imagine getting all down and nasty infront of that death lighting. If I was going to join the club it would be in the SQ first class cabins. US overreacted.

User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2130 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15378 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
their ticket price paid doesn't "entitle" them to offend any of the 100+ others on the flight, who also paid for their tickets.

Who stated that any passengers were offended? Maybe some were, maybe not. The point is, you don't know.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
(and FAA's) rules for everyone on the aircraft

What is the specific FAA rule regarding sex on a commercial aircraft? Or barring more than one person at a time occupying the lav?

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 10):
OPNLguy is spot-on as usual

I disagree. See below why I think not.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 17):
Not only did they create a disruption to other passengers,

Did they? Who says? Are we leaping to conclusions here?

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 17):
In addition, who the heck would want to use the LAV with sex sloppin's left behind?

Considering the state of any airplane lav halfway through a given flight, that would rate among the least of my concerns.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 17):
I am glad that USAirways did this as it will send a message to other potential sex-aholics

OK, here's what most of you are ignoring. The fact the couple was allegedly having sex is incidental to the story. The way the article puts it, they were asked to cease by the crew (fair enough) and they became hostile and "threatened the flight attendant". We can take the media story with a grain of salt, but I would suspect it is much more likely the couple are in hot water due to their reported attitude and threats rather than the fact they were having a shag.

[Edited 2007-11-23 10:40:35]


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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4990 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15321 times:

Well, the Captain made the final decision to divert. . If the Captain thought it was appropriate, then that's his decision. The article didn't give enough info as to how bad the argument was in the cabin. But it must have been pretty loud to order a diversion. It looks like they came back quite some distance to get to PDX.

Sex in the cans? I'm willing to bet that these are the kind of people who go into the can with no shoes on too.



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25 777fan : As was mentioned repeatedly, an aircraft is a public place, so in essence, the couple was participating in lewd of disorderly conduct which, in the p
26 Post contains images Alias1024 : Nobody is going to divert a flight because a couple are having sex in the lavatory. Passengers threatening a crew member certainly would justify a di
27 Post contains images SuseJ772 : So can I get arrested for urinating in public if I use it. Now that presents a catch-22 situation now doesn't it? Hey now. There are plenty of us Rep
28 SJC4Me : I'm having sex as I read this thread.
29 Jlbmedia : Can the airline recover all the costs involved with the diversion from the subjects that caused the diversion?
30 DTWAGENT : I say this couple start getting it on on the ground. It is not that long of a flight from SEA to PDX. As far as did the flight crew did the right thin
31 EMBQA : Didn't we cover this last week when it happened....???
32 ElmoTheHobo : No Catch-22, you can be arrested for urinating in public, though I sincerely doubt you would unless you did something real dumb while urinating Publi
33 Kmh1956 : In the loo?
34 Post contains images EBJ1248650 : It's normal and it probably happens a lot more than most folks will admit. I suspect the cabin crew over-reacted. Either that or those two were reall
35 RwSEA : Haha these flights to Vegas always have some interesting characters .... Either way, I'm sure there's more to the story. To divert a flight simply 'ca
36 Davescj : I wonder if they'd just stopped if that wouldnt' have been the end of it. No -- as pointed out -- the lewd behavior is the sex. At least in TX, a man
37 IndyWA : OK - the people that keep saying that US over reacted - aren't some of you the same ones who threw a fit in a thread about 2 gay men were making out o
38 HPRamper : The "fooling around in their seats" would be the offensive part. Nobody is really going to pay too much attention to a couple in the lav, as long as
39 Post contains images FLYACYYZ : If their idea of a hot time is being jammed into a space no larger than a broom closet, and going at in in an environment that is laced with 1.0 milli
40 AR385 : In my original post, I was, of course, kidding.
41 Post contains images VarigB707 : Well, as long as they had their Mile High Club membership dues are paid....
42 MQTmxguy : As a couple a others have said, sex is inconsiquential to the issue. If the crew says to stop, you sit down shut up and stop if you don't want escorte
43 Post contains images Super80DFW : If it was a flight to LAS, whats the problem?
44 Post contains images MQTmxguy : They musta forgot that for it to "stay in Vegas" they first had to get to vegas
45 Post contains images RP TPA : Yes, I know. I saw the " "
46 AR385 : I was kidding. I could care less what people do on the loo of a plane, I guess it came out too serious. My apologies.
47 Super80DFW : "Mommy, Daddy, when did you decide to have me? Umm, on a flight to Vegas."
48 Mycrj17 :
49 RP TPA : Well, this gives a whole new meaning to the term "playing the slots"
50 PilotNTrng : I think everyone is forgetting the decency and public nudity laws in the US. According to the poster, they began to argue with the flight attendants.
51 Wdleiser : I fully encourage fornication in the lavatory.. I wish to become a member of the mile high club some time soon. Buutttt according to regulations.... o
52 Post contains images Jetsa : That is classic. Couldn't agree with you more.
53 PlanesNTrains : The only problem being that then you have 2 hours where you will probably have this couple bitching to others around them, and perhaps have other pro
54 Tsaord : Well what happens when a person would have to use the lav and both of them are still in there?? How long does it take from insertion to completion bef
55 MQTmxguy : Like I said, 3 lavs on a 150 seat a/c, in other words 50 PAX per lav. If you take more than a couple minutes in there you will get a knock on the doo
56 OPNLguy : You've provided the answer to your own question: "they also created a situation of diverting all the attention of the F/As from other duties and pass
57 WestJetYQQ : Does anyone know where I can pick up an application?[Edited 2007-11-23 18:27:52]
58 Post contains images HowSwedeitis : Ewwwwww!!! I've seen people do that do! I wonder if anyone tried to join the 6-foot high club... AKA, sex in a Greyhound bus lav!!
59 Post contains images Warszawa : Aww yea, another Mile High Club announcement, congrats to the couple Hey, any mile high clubbers can sit next to me any flight i'm on
60 Jetdeltamsy : I'm someone who disagrees. Airlines are pressured but their customers and the government to provide a business-like, family friendly environment. Wit
61 EK345 : in my opinion, the couple should have been met by security at LAS and hauled away for their behavior (with the flight crew, not for the getting busy b
62 Post contains images Warszawa : You think thats gross? When I was in college in a dorm, we had a public bathroom shared by some 50 other guys. I saw several guys go in there barefoo
63 Warren747sp : We know that they are banned for life from flying SQ first class suite!
64 Post contains images MQTmxguy : I wonder if they'd let me non-rev in one of those
65 NewYorkCityBoi : I think the plane should divert only if it's a matter of live and death... like someone need a medication, operations.. etc... not from just this smal
66 OPNLguy : If you're suggesting that the cost was over $1,000,000, that'd be incorrect. Whatever the cost was, it was expensive, but the point remains that it w
67 FlyDeltaJets87 : From what I've read so far, it seems like I'm in the minority, but I don't disagree with what US did. For one, the plane wasnt diverted because these
68 Post contains images Missourifarmer : Stuff like that dont ever happen when I fly....... An extra landing/takeoff in a non-stop flight!!!!! What a bonus!!!!
69 PilotNTrng : Im not bashing you, but come on. It's not like you can just pull over to the side of the curb and say ok time out. You are at FL 280 plus or minus. W
70 Flykal : Complete over-reaction. Cool headed crew would have given them about 5 minutes to get everything done, and send them back to their seats after with a
71 HPRamper : Being conservative has nothing to do with it. Being belligerent and threatening inflight crew does. As for it being an easy situation, as soon as a t
72 PilotNTrng : FlyKal, Typical non-US poster that has no clue what goes on with US airlines. You believe all the crap the media feeds ya mate? You must be one of the
73 Davescj : Good on ya. Hope all goes well. Dave
74 Flykal : PilotNTrng...sorry buddy but after spending the past 7 years flying to/from the US with many US based Captains, and now working for one of the largest
75 CrossChecked : The law states that passengers must comply with any reasonable request made by the flight (tech or cabin) crew during a flight. Seems to me the flight
76 BAW716 : Here is the reason for the diversion. While I think most of us will agree that it is at best in poor taste and at worst something "sinful", doing the
77 LAXspotter : Ladies and Gentleman The issue is not whether they were trying to get into the "mile-high club" but rather their confrontational attitude towards the
78 Baron52ta : They very likely found it hard to get another flight because the airlines talk to each other when they eject pax from a flight and give the reason fo
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