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When Are Monarch Going To Replace Their 757's?  
User currently offlineTOM1548 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

I was just browsing throught pictures of monarch because I was trying to work out what type of aircraft i would be flying on into malaga in january and i notcied that most of their 757's do have really early build numbers and despite their heavy useage there still in regular service.

so i was wondering if anybody out there had any information relating to this.

incase any one was wondering im talking about Monarch airlines or flyMonarch as some of their aircraft now say.

cheers


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User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Does Monarch or the Charter industry as a whole have much money anymore, with constant dropping in price, aren't package holidays being sold at near cost price? Even on MON schedualled, with FR and U2 for competition, that can't be too hot either...


AF BE BY FR MV PD SZ U2 VZ DHC6, 8-3/4Q, 732/8, 763ER, A319, A380
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Those MON 757s are amongst the earliest built and have achieved very high utilisation. Day and night on charter flights for a good 20 odd years. The problem MOn has is the 321 which they have introduced cannot completley replace the 757 on some routes like to smaller Greek Island airfields, Gibraltar etc without payload penalties and I guess MON dont see a 757 replacement out there.

User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

How many hours are on those birds?

User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Not so much the high hours, but the huge number of cycles.

They are used constantly on 2 - 4 hour flights to the Med and are utilised at least a good 18 hours a day.

Another problem with the Airbus is that it is only certified for about 50000 cycles, whereas the 757 is more like 80000. Other options are open - using 73G/Hs which can make the distance the 757s are used for, but with less payload, therefore more planes are needed. They could always try the Tu-204, but I am not sure about its stats.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

MON are a bit stuck as to replace the old 757s. they tried to do it partly, with the 321 but that has range and payload restrictions at some airports that MON serve. You are right about the high utilisation. unlike even LCCs, these aircraft have been flown day and night on charters for 25 years almost continuous

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Maybe Monarch should replace them with newer lower cycle 757s, until Y1 and the A320NG programmes produce a better 757 replacement?


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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3143 times:

All that has been said so far is correct and I agree that i think ZB are keeping the aircraft due to there been nothing really to replace it with.

I mean yes, they are getting on a bit, but even so, ZB is world renowned for a fantastic maintenance department and the 757 is by no means medieval technology wise. If ZB engineering can keep them operating safely and keep the cabins in top shape, then why bother replacing them with an "inferior" product for the usage. The isnides aren't in bad shape either, so it not too bad. I for one hope they stay in the fleet for a bit longer.

BA787


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3122 times:



Quoting TOM1548 (Thread starter):
i notcied that most of their 757's do have really early build numbers and despite their heavy useage there still in regular service.

so i was wondering if anybody out there had any information relating to this.

incase any one was wondering im talking about Monarch airlines or flyMonarch as some of their aircraft now say.

I did some work in their hanger a few years ago...they *love* their 757's. There is nothing out there that is better suited for their business. And, as long as they keep up the maintenance and refresh the interior, they can keep doing that for many years. They have no reason to get rid of them now...excellent match between the aircraft and their mission, likely a fully depreciated airframe, and a product that their passengers still enjoy. For the moment, they 757's are keepers.

Tom.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

There is nothing that can replace the 757 for UK charters. Sure, for some airlines the A321, but they are useless for Egypt routes for example, plus the 757 can take more people to the likes of Palma, Tenerife etc


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User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1810 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2895 times:



Quoting Col (Reply 3):
How many hours are on those birds?

G-DAJB: Total Hours: 68469 at 31/12/2004 (Built: 1987)
G-MONB: Total Hours: 77319 at 31/12/2005 (Built: 1983)
G-MONC: Total Hours: 70704 at 31/12/2004 (Built: 1983)
G-MOND: Total Hours: 71713 at 31/12/2004 (Built: 1983)
G-MONE: Total Hours: 75391 at 31/12/2005 (Built: 1985)
G-MONJ: Total Hours: 68284 at 31/12/2005 (Built: 1988)
G-MONK: Total Hours: 64581 at 31/12/2004 (Built: 1988)


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

There is nothing wrong with ZB's current fleet of 757s, and I can't see them replacing them any time soon.

The 757 is a useful tool for ZB because it is ideal for some of the more longer short-haul charter routes that ZB and others operate on like the Canaries, Greek Islands, Egypt, The Gambia, Cyprus and Turkey as well as Gibraltar with it's restrictions. They have the A321 which although more or less matches the 757 in terms of bums on seats (despite ZB's configs), is pants on some of the routes ZB send 757s on, and also the A321s are ideal for the Scheduled routes so why change that now?

Besides the A321 the only aircraft that ZB could possibly replace the 757 with is the 737-900ER, but that wouldn't appeal to ZB because they don't have any 737s in the fleet and I'm sure that there may be one or two payload issues with the 737-900ER vs 757-200 on some routes.

Gkirk is right, there is nothing out there at the minute that the charter airlines can replace the 757 with unless they are hellbent on simplifying their fleets and are prepared to axe routes/impose payload restrictions on routes to do this.

Age shouldn't really be an issue at the end of the day (unless you are one of the stereotypical types that ZB fly every year on their annual jolly to Benidorm/Majorca/Costa del Sol and would probably baulk at the aircraft age if anybody told them), and as long as they are properly maintained there is no reason why ZB have to replace the 757 very soon because they are old.


User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

G-MONB and G-MONE are both leaving the fleet at the end of Summer 2008 and will be broken up. Two more A321s are joining the fleet next summer, one from GB and one from the USA somewhere.

Remainder of the 757s are hanging around for quite a while yet as you can't do the job that they do with the A321.


User currently offlineVivaGunners From Italy, joined Oct 2000, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2703 times:



Quoting ZuluTime (Reply 12):
Remainder of the 757s are hanging around for quite a while yet as you can't do the job that they do with the A321.

I think that's the exact problem of many other airlines who use the 757s to their maximum.
A321s and 739ERs can't quite do the same job.
I see that as a good niche in the market: medium haul charter ops and thin trans atlantic routes.
There will soon be the need to fill that niche with something new, as the good old 757 is getting old.



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