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Another near miss last night  
User currently offlineAviator_ua From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (17 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 605 times:

Last night at LGA here in NY there was a very seriuos incident.
A tower controller cleared a Beechcraft BE-90 to taxi into position on runway 31.
One minute later the same controller cleared a USair B-737 to land on the same runway 31.
The alert pilot of the Beechcraft warned the controller that he was in position on that runway but by then the USair Boeing 737 swooped in only 50ft above the Beech
and landed long on runway 31. This was very similar to the incident that happened in California not long ago.
This makes three near misses in just a week in the NY area. This is extremely serious.
Like I said last week in response to a post that said there is no need for pilots anymore, no machine would have second guessed the controller orders.
This is a very serious matter.

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User currently offlineGopal From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (17 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 605 times:

I agree this is a very serious incident. But for the Beechcraft pilots alertness whe would have had a serious accident. I think all the members of this forun should brainstorm and presnt ideas on how to prevent such incidents.

User currently offlineA1ex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (17 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 605 times:

I would suggest airports to have "sensitive" runways, whereby the controllers get absolutely PRECISE information on positions of each aircraft. This can be done by implementing sensors not too far one from another so that they would constantly "report" the picture to the controller tower.

The controler tower would have displays where positions would be dispalyed. In additon, every command of the controller should be monitored and recorded, so that a computer would double-check the situation according to the PRESENT and PROPOSED aircraft positions. Surely, it must alert any mistakes.

The problem is, how to get controllers' commands recoded so that the computer would understand. If force the controller to key in each of his command, this would slow the whole process and increase errors. Maybe, touch-screen can be implemented?? For example, the controller "highlights" with a finger the aircraft he wants to land and "shows" the runway. Like Drag-and-Drop.

Well, that proposition would be quite expensive to actually develop and get running.Doh...I guess...

User currently offlineFedEx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (17 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 606 times:

What the heck was the controller smoking!!
That is just stupid,The controller should
go back to the monitoring the unicom in Yermo
California ! If I where the pilot in the Beechcraft
I would do some serious paper work to get that
controller removed!

User currently offlineAviator_ua From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (17 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 605 times:

I agree 100% Fedex.

Now the controller is saying its because the tower is understaffed and the controllers overworked.

User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (17 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 607 times:

I was on a flight on 7/20/92 where this nearly happened to me. It was a Delta L-1011, N727DA, SLC to ATL. We were on the runway ready for takeoff to the south, when the captain gunned the engines and we turned right at the first turnoff and then made another right so we were facing north. I was sitting in a right-hand window seat, so I could now see the runway clearly. Almost immediately another large aircraft landed right where we had just been sitting. After that, we made two more right turns back onto the runway and took off. Most people around me didn't appear to notice anything, but the man behind me said to his wife in disbelief, "Did you see that? That plane nearly landed on top of us!" We didn't get one word of explanation from the cockpit. Maybe they hoped no one noticed.

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