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AeroMexico To FCO And PVG In 2008!  
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 51
Posted (7 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10859 times:

We sure have discussed this previously and some other threads go on but these kind of news deserve a new thread!

Rumors have come to an end and words spread out yesterday from AM's CEO

AeroMexico will land in PVG by March 2008 and FCO by April 2008.

Routings:

MEX-MTY-FCO-MTY-MEX and MEX-TIJ-PVG-TIJ-MEX.

Most probably FCO will be done 2X with Boeing 767-200ER and PVG will get 2X with Boeing 777-200ER. Hopefully the 5th Boeing 777 comes in time for this new routes. I would be a nice choice for AZ to place its code in AM's flight. So good to see AM back in FCO.

g77


Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10838 times:

Agree, this kind of news very well deserved to start a new thread !!!

Thanks for the update Ghost.

I think Aeromexico will do great to these two new destinations !!!

Very interesting developments and challenges coming up for AM !!!

Best regards

[Edited 2007-11-23 14:46:43]


No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10814 times:

Great!!! Two Asian and four european destinations will be great. All that's missing is London! I'd give a try to PVG from a touristic perspective.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9940 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10763 times:

This is indeed good news. I am glad to see AM expand into Asia. That will be one of the most exotic aircraft in PVG I think as there are no South American airlines currently flying to PVG or China in general.

Good luck to AM!

A388


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

Good to see Aeromexico expanding its network!

Which cities in Europe does AM serve now?

[Edited 2007-11-23 16:33:50]

User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10665 times:

In regard to Aeromexico's PVG service: Mexico's Secretary of Foreign Relations Patricia Espinosa Cantellano said in China that Aeromexico has indicated an intention to start a service to PVG beginning March or April 2008.

More details available at http://en.carnoc.com/list/5/5175.html

Cheers.


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10638 times:



Quote:

Mexican airline eyes China in time for Olympics
Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:38pm EST

MEXICO CITY, Nov 23 (Reuters) - Aeromexico, the country's top airline which was recently privatized, will begin flying to China in March of next year, a few months before the Olympics kick off.

The Mexican government sold Aeromexico (AMEXICOA.MX: Quote, Profile, Research) to U.S. bank Citigroup (C.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and its Mexican partners in October after a heated bidding war for the debt-ridden carrier.

The flight from Mexico City to Shanghai will connect through the Mexican border city of Tijuana, the company said in an event late on Thursday.

Beijing-headquartered Olympics will take place in August of next year but other cities, including Shanghai, will host several competitions and matches.

This will be Aeromexico's second new route to Asia this year after launching its Tokyo flight a few months ago with a cost of $1,000 per round trip.

Aeromexico's new owners plan to invest $240 million to improve operations and create new routes. The company is part of the SkyTeam alliance which comprises 10 airline members around the world.


Now that AM has expanded service, international network is a bit more respectable:

  • Asia - NRT, PVG.
  • Europe - MAD, BCN, CDG, FCO.
  • South-America - GRU, EZE, SCL, LIM.
  • Central-America - SAP, MGA.
  • US - 13 destinations.

    Other possible routes we talked about:

  • MEX-GIG.
  • MEX-YYZ.

    AM has to place orders for additional planes to start more routes like these and increase frequencies to the current ones!

    Fyano


  • User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

    Excellent news and good luck to Aeromexico. I suppose with this new China service, GRU will be downgraded to a 767 route, correct??? As far as Rome, I take it the stop in Monterrey is due to range issues for the 767 out of MEX??

    Quoting AM744 (Reply 2):
    . All that's missing is London

    Yes sir, or maybe FRA, but LHR/LGW should be launched....


    User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
    Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10579 times:

    Great to see AM expanding their route network. What I find interesting is AM chose PVG over PEK.

    Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 6):
    AM has to place orders for additional planes to start more routes like these and increase frequencies to the current ones!

     checkmark  . Would be nice if they did place more 787 and 777 orders in the future.


    User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
    Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10565 times:



    Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
    So good to see AM back in FCO

    Better is to see AM serving PVG or any Asian point, don't ya think Ricardo?  Wink

    And talking about Asia and AM ...are they thinking in ICN as it's a Korean Air/SkyTeam hub? Does AM go on with the code-share agreement in some KE's South Korea-USA flights?



    Time flies! Enjoy life!
    User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10454 times:



    Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 8):
    What I find interesting is AM chose PVG over PEK.

    Same here, I was going to ask about that. Why PVG, and not PEK??? What's important is that they are launching China...


    User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10388 times:



    Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
    Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 8):
    What I find interesting is AM chose PVG over PEK.

    Same here, I was going to ask about that. Why PVG, and not PEK???

    US (PHL-PVG) and DL (ATL-PVG) have also applied to PVG:

    Delta To Apply For ATL-PVG Instead Of PEK In 2008 (by Panamair Jan 19 2007 in Civil Aviation)
    US Air Stresses Commitment To China Flight (by LAXintl Nov 20 2007 in Civil Aviation)

    I think the launch of the MEX-TIJ-PVG is commercially driven, perhaps because PVG is the economic center in China vs PEK, being the political city. Something like Gotenburg vs Stockholm in Sweeden, respectively.

    Fyano


    User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 51
    Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10364 times:



    Quoting AM744 (Reply 2):
    All that's missing is London!

    But with AM on private hands and a dramatic local scenery, sure its just a matter of when.... also now that BA has shown intentions to increase its flight to 7X to MEX. AM should ASAP get an extra Boeing 767-300ER to start a MEX-LON.

    Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
    This is indeed good news. I am glad to see AM expand into Asia. That will be one of the most exotic aircraft in PVG I think as there are no South American airlines currently flying to PVG or China in general.

    Mexico is in one of the best Geographic positions. It was a matter of time to see TIJ starting to serve as an Asian hub, just like CUN is doing with all European service. I don't know how fare we are from a CUN-JNB.

    Sure it's going to an exotic visitor, don't know what happened to LA's plans to Asia via LAX, but they were considering sending MY Boeing 767-300ERF's via TIJ. LA should give away its 4th Boeing 777F to MY in order to start TIJ-Asia.
    If i had the money i would tomorrow bring a Boeing 747F and would start flying it TIJ-Asia.

    Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 6):
    AM has to place orders for additional planes to start more routes like these and increase frequencies to the current ones!

    Totally... I think AM needs to go up to 14X to MAD from MEX and leave 2X from MTY to MAD. Boost CDG to 10X with the B777, keep GRU with 7X and switch SCL and EZE to an all Boeing 767-300ER operation.

    This would free B767-200ERs and it could be possible to do more runs to BCN to 4X instead of only 2X. It would also be great to see FCO with 4X or even 5X and placing an AZ codeshare.

    Fyano773, what other routes do you suggest for long haul service? LON/FRA/GIG is certainly a possibility, but what else could be seen?

    Time to start thinking in some B777-300ER's for NRT/PVG/MAD/CDG/GRU.

    CUN would be another important airport for long haul service to Europe. At least Aladia is aiming for this market in 2008 once they get their first Boeing 767!!!

    Quoting SKY1 (Reply 9):
    Better is to see AM serving PVG or any Asian point, don't ya think Ricardo? Wink

    No lo so, ma penso è molto buono che AM torne in Italia a Roma nella primavera di 2008!!!  Big grin  bigthumbsup 


    g77



    Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
    User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 761 posts, RR: 9
    Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10178 times:

    Here are the slot allocations for FCO: UTC TIME:


    FCO S08 AM 035 A 19:00 19:00 03APR 25OCT 0004060 767 181 1 J MEX MTY
    FCO S08 AM 036 D 22:05 22:05 03APR 25OCT 0004060 767 181 1 J MEX MTY


    User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9984 times:

    Good to see AM adding new destinations, but 2 weekly seems too few frequencies for what we see nowadays in a profitable operation. Wouldn't it be better to use those aircraft and upgrade frequencies to NRT and BCN or maybe MTY-MAD and make a more solid operation in those routes?

    User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9839 times:



    Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 14):
    Good to see AM adding new destinations, but 2 weekly seems too few frequencies for what we see nowadays in a profitable operation. Wouldn't it be better to use those aircraft and upgrade frequencies to NRT and BCN or maybe MTY-MAD and make a more solid operation in those routes?

    2 weekly frequencies are too few, but I'm sure they'll be increase to 3 or 4 once word gets around, plus AM suffers from a lack of widebody jets. There aren't enough to go around. My guess, in less than a year NRT, FCO and PVG are served at least three times a week.


    User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
    Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9828 times:



    Quoting AM744 (Reply 2):
    All that's missing is London!



    Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 12):
    But with AM on private hands and a dramatic local scenery, sure its just a matter of when.... also now that BA has shown intentions to increase its flight to 7X to MEX. AM should ASAP get an extra Boeing 767-300ER to start a MEX-LON.

    BA is already operating MEX-LHR 3x weekly with 744. I am questioning if there are enough space for two carriers operating MEX-LON, adding BA is planning to fly daily its named route.
    On the other hand, it also should be taken into account that AF is currently participating for the segment CDG-LHR based on code-share cooperation with AM.
    By the way, both CDG and FCO are bases of Sky Team. It makes sense of logic that AM flies there in order to enable flights on behalf of AM and given by other full members of such air alliance.

    Regards.



    "Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
    User currently offlinePhilly65 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9818 times:

    What ever happened to AMs proposed MEX-PHL service? I believe it was scheduled to start in the fall of '07 (from what I remember). Anyone have any insight?

    User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 51
    Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9790 times:



    Quoting XA744 (Reply 1):
    Agree, this kind of news very well deserved to start a new thread !!!

    Thanks for the update Ghost.

    Hi XA744! Your welcome, how you been? How's your Japanesse doing?

    Another airliners.net forum member has told me that word spread on the other side of the world is that AM will fly:

    MEX-TIJ-NRT-PVG-NRT-TIJ-MEX

    And by the end of 2008 AM wiill increase NRT to 3X

    It makes a lot of sense considering the lack and fleet shortage of B777s.

    Link: http://www.travelvision.jp/modules/n...s1/article.php?storyid=32740&cid=2

    Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 16):
    BA is already operating MEX-LHR 3x weekly with 744. I am questioning if there are enough space for two carriers operating MEX-LON, adding BA is planning to fly daily its named route.

    Nope, BA is flying 4X, in 2005 and 2006 during the winter they increased to 5X but now they said they're going 7X.

    g77



    Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
    User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1784 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9776 times:



    Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 16):
    BA is already operating MEX-LHR 3x weekly with 744. I am questioning if there are enough space for two carriers operating MEX-LON, adding BA is planning to fly daily its named route.

    Well, there's room to Madrid and Paris. London wouldn't have any problem to support a double daily 777 (AM and BA).


    User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9769 times:



    Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 16):
    BA is already operating MEX-LHR 3x weekly with 744. I am questioning if there are enough space for two carriers operating MEX-LON, adding BA is planning to fly daily its named route.

    British Airways has a good thing going on the Mexican routes with AA. If you fly to MEX, they'll fly you direct, anywhere else in Mexico, AA will glady take you there via MIA or DFW. However, sooner or later Aeromexico has to land in London, no way around that, london its the new financial capital of the world, it must be launched. But its not an easy proposition, there's BA's alliance with AA that probably covers all of Mexico; As far as Cancun, you got all the European charters on that route, so AM flying CUN-LHR/LGW might not go too well, that leaves MEX. I think there is room

    Quoting Philly65 (Reply 17):
    What ever happened to AMs proposed MEX-PHL service?

    AM and MX have a bunch of routes on the "maybe later list", PHL is one of them.


    User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
    Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9766 times:



    Quoting Juventus (Reply 20):
    AM and MX have a bunch of routes on the "maybe later list", PHL is one of them.

    PHL was actually bookable for a short time, as were DTW and YYZ.

    I personally wouldn't hold my breathe for PHL considering how poorly routes like Austin, Fort Lauderdale, and Boston have fared (and early results for Seattle aren't that great). AeroMexico has had difficultly expanding past traditional markets in the U.S., unlike Mexicana.



    a.
    User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17778 posts, RR: 46
    Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9731 times:



    Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
    MEX-MTY-FCO-MTY-MEX and MEX-TIJ-PVG-TIJ-MEX.

    Most probably FCO will be done 2X with Boeing 767-200ER and PVG will get 2X with Boeing 777-200ER.

    That sounds terrible, between the frequency and the intermediate stop in the case of FCO. I don't see either of those lasting long unless the frequency is at least doubled and/or the MTY stop is removed.



    E pur si muove -Galileo
    User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9682 times:



    Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 18):
    Another airliners.net forum member has told me that word spread on the other side of the world is that AM will fly:

    MEX-TIJ-NRT-PVG-NRT-TIJ-MEX

    Thanks for the link Ghost.

    Well, the Japanese magazine " TravelVision " reports on the gala cocktail offered by Aeromexico to the travel trade in Tokyo, this past November 21, on occasion of the celebration of the first anniversary of the company´s MEX-TIJ-NRT service.

    It is also mentioned that Aeromexico´s Vice-president for the Asian Region, Jeffrey Stan, informed that AM has achieved an 84% PLF on the Japan-Mexico flight, during its first year of operation. It was also disclosed by Mr. Stan, at the above mentioned event, that AM will begin operations to Shanghai, China in April 2008. Here is where I get a little bit hazy, because the magazine mentions that the flight will have a travellers market segmentation of 40% Japanese; 40% Chinese ; and 20% of other Asian nationalities, but provides no specific details about the future operation.

    The article is kind of confusing, because it doesn´t clearly state that Aeromexico will extend the Narita flight into Shanghai. However, judging from what it is mentioned in the same article, we can assume that this will be the case. I could be wrong though.

    To me, as you have mentioned it Ghost, it would make a lot of sense to have the Narita service extended to PVG, due to the lack of sufficient widebodies in AM´s fleet at this time. Only problem is that, from one day to the other, Aeromexico would be cutting capacity to Japan into half, as current seat and cargo hold inventories would need to be shared with the Chinese market. If this is going to be the case, I just hope it will be a very temporary solution to the problem, as I would like to see AM operating dedicated services to each of the stations in question. The company needs to announce urgently the acquisition of more T7s !!!

    To me, Seoul would need to be announced pretty soon, as well. AM has to take full advantage of Sky Team partner, Korean Air´s, extensive Asian network ex ICN.

    Well, lets just sit back, relax and wait a little bit to see what really happens !!!

    Again, very interesting and challenging skies ahead for Aeromexico !!!

    Best regards



    No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
    User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7614 posts, RR: 42
    Reply 24, posted (7 years 17 hours ago) and read 9560 times:



    Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 12):
    don't know how fare we are from a CUN-JNB

    Hahahaha, very ambitious... How about MEX-ACA-SYD instead? That would be very, very nice too.



    Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
    25 Juventus : If NRT is going to be extended to include PVG, then this route should most definetly be extended to 3, peferibly 4 times a week. Its a good challenge
    26 MaverickM11 : Wouldn't they need to renegotiate the Japan/Mexico bilateral? Regardless MEX/NRT needs to be daily if it's to compete with other one stop options.
    27 Post contains links Ucunnn2 : Did u guys checked MX's myspace? I didnt know they had one http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ser.viewprofile&friendid=277268762 i found out other
    28 Post contains images Wingedarrow : No vemos la hora que Aeromexico vuelve en Fiumicino - BENTORNATA AEROMEXICOOOOOO!!!
    29 Jfk777 : Isn't flying beyond NRT a problem for any Americas airline except UA and NW. AM should fly nonstop to PVG from TIJ with a 777 or wait for teh 787.
    30 Post contains images JRDC930 : Hooray! for AM my second favorite Mexican Airline after JR of course     , Finally Mexico has an airline that is expanding outside of the America's
    31 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : I did a research and found BA LHR-MEX-LHR is 3x weekly nowadays. BA 243......LHR 12:40.....MEX 18:20.......744......Mo, We, Fr BA 242......MEX 20:40.
    32 Post contains links Adriaticus : I say MEXMAD should be 10x, MEXCDG should be 7x (considering codesharing with AF on flights 435 (daily) and 439 (3x/week) effectively raises the offe
    33 AM744 : You are right, maybe a 3x with 767s could be supported. Increased business, tourism and taking a chunk from U.S. airlines could help supporting an AM
    34 Post contains links Fyano773 : I really don't know, but I can think of ICN, AMS and SVO, all of them with Skyteam partnership; the route between Russia and Mexico was flown by SU s
    35 IAD380 : In Asia - ICN and HKG In Europe - LHR, FRA. Later on, AM could add AMS and/or ZRH. Eventually, AM could extend its flights to BCN or FCO to Middle Ea
    36 AM744 : Don't think so. Actually MTY could generate some revenue.
    37 Fyano773 : The extension to PVG makes sense because the T7 arrives to NRT at 07:00 hours and departs at 15:00 hours, i. e. 8 hours of turnaround (idle) time tha
    38 Post contains images Fly727 : Correction for perfection... Mexico is in North America. RM
    39 Jfk777 : People seem to be enamored of the possibility of AM flying to London. AM should serve Madrid and Paris well before flying to a place few Latin America
    40 IAD380 : Can the 777s in Aeromexico's fleet fly nonstop between MEX and PVG and NRT? I can't image that there is much demand for flights to the Far East from T
    41 MaverickM11 : That's out of necessity; there's a reason it can't go nonstop. I think it'll detract more than it will add to MEX/FCO
    42 MTYFREAK : which if I'm not mystaken are: A - 762 unable to make the MEX-FCO run without being weight restricted due to MEX altitud (7,316 ft) B - Posible probl
    43 AM744 : You're probably right. The point is that it's the only way to get the job done now. They have to work with what they got.
    44 Fyano773 : AM already serves well MAD and CDG. The fact that BA has few routes to Latin-America is due to commercial strategy and business plan based on yields-
    45 MaverickM11 : That makes sense, although it would probably be a good nonstop 777 route if they had the equipment.
    46 AR385 : Now that AM is finally expanding internationally agressively, it needs a desperate revamp of its high end product. Clase Premier is nowhere near compe
    47 Luisde8cd : MEX-TIJ-ICN-TIJ-MEX would make sense. You got Samsung factories in TIJ and LG plants in Reynosa which can provide lucrative C class traffic. Let pax b
    48 Centrair : Well, thing is that AM is not a US carrier. US-Japan bilateral is pretty restrictive for UA and NW. I don't know about the Mexican-Japan Bilateral or
    49 SJOtoLIR : The situation for FRA on AM makes a resemblance with LHR. AM is currently getting code-share cooperation with AF CDG-FRA as well, that fits with AM M
    50 AeroMexico777 : Hi! I think we also forget that slots issue in NRT! I dont think that AM can find those slots for the PVG flight... (from NRT, thats it). Also the le
    51 Jfk777 : Aero Mexico obviously isn't American but it is from the AMERICAS. Why would the Japanesse government agree to give AM beyond NRT slots when no other
    52 JRDC930 : Younger and more ambitious perhaps, but better? Certainly not in terms of product. AM makes the U.S. carriers look like crap. If you mean better in t
    53 MAH4546 : Shanghai flights are now bookable. It's operating 2x weekly on Tuesdays and Friday, MEX-TIJ-PVG. No stop in Tokyo.
    54 AM744 : Impressive. I guess GRU will get less 777 flights. Does any insider knows the widebody rotations?
    55 Post contains images Fyano773 : Yes, effective April 8th: I don't think so, MAD and GRU will have an all T7 operation. But somebody else may want post the rotations. In my opinion t
    56 Orbis : Where?? At least not in Aeromexico.com. On AM´s web frontpage it states the begining of the MEX-PVG flights on Apr08 "subject to government authoriz
    57 EddieDude : These are certainly exciting times for AM. I really don't see SVO happening. Even though SU flew to MEX several years ago, I don't think there is suff
    58 IAD380 : I agree that MUC may be a better choice for AM than FRA. I think that Germany should top AeroMexico's priority list as it looks to expand its interna
    59 LH498 : It would be great to see AM back in Germany, however both FRA and MUC would be very difficult destinations as they are LH's home. Germany is a very d
    60 Xiaotung : They get the new PVG T2?
    61 EddieDude : I agree. An arrangement with Deutsche Bahn would be a very good idea. Hopefully AM's new board of directors will think about this. On the other hand,
    62 LACA773 : Hi All, With all the talk about AM needing more 767s, DL has been returning some of their leased 763s to the lessors. Would it be feasible to think o
    63 Post contains images XA744 : Well, I think this could be a very tangible possibility. Hope the announcement on " new " 767s reinforcing AM´s widebody operations comes in real so
    64 Post contains links and images Fyano773 : In this discussion, there is a sample of widebody rotation-usage: B767´s de AeroMexico (see last reply of the page). Correct , Amadeus... In my opin
    65 AM744 : Are those ERs? Could a 763ER do the MTY-BCN and MTY-FCO runs without restrictions? That would be nice.
    66 AM744 : Correction: MTY-MAD and MTY-FCO since MEX-BCN is going to be 762 nonstop.
    67 Fyano773 : Based on Boeing specs, the 767-300 maximun range is 5,975 nautical miles (11,065 Kms): MTY-MAD (5,415 nm) - Yes, sometimes XA-APB is assigned to the m
    68 Post contains images Cun757 : I say many times before that AM have to focus on the international market, then the full and competitive national market... The international passenge
    69 Post contains images LACA773 : LOL. Ho Ho Ho! I hope Santa is listening and wants to help AM out . Thanks for the information Fyanco773. I hope AM will be able to pickup some of th
    70 Post contains images LH498 : Small correction: Your distances are in Statute Miles, not Nautical Miles. According to the Great Circle Mapper: MTY-MAD .- 4704 nm MTY-FCO .- 5295 n
    71 Post contains images Fyano773 : Thanks for clearing up this issue Fyano
    72 Post contains links EddieDude : I am not sure how much longer the MX-LH codeshare partnership will last. I recall reading here that LH was quite displeased with MX's alliance with I
    73 Marcus : Well why not?.......potentially AM could send a 744 on any route that is currently served by other carriers with the same equipment.........with a go
    74 Gigneil : I don't know about all that.. CUN-JNB? I mean, what is the purpose? Presumably MEX-CUN-JNB, but still. The problem is that MEX itself is great for ev
    75 Post contains links Fyano773 : Well, at least LH's director for Mexico and Central America, Stefan Müller, in a recent interview with El Financiero paper, told something different
    76 Adriaticus : The biletaral currently does not allow for more than one carrier from each party, among one given city pair. I hear through the grapevine that's exac
    77 Ucunnn2 : currently SCL (LAN) and EZE (Aerolineas) have flights to AKL and SYD...both of them stopping fiirst in AKL then continuing to SYD. Even in SCL case s
    78 LACA773 : Fyano & Adriaticus, Thanks for the information. I hope if this information moving through the rumormill works out in AM's favor. Like all of you, I w
    79 MX-757 : AM BCN flight update: Aeromexico will be operating in Terminal A. Logos of the airline are now displayed in the arrivals zone and at the Terminal A in
    80 Juventus : Really??? I think the 777 is a much better proposition. In this day in age, with the reach of the 777, plus the reliability of that particular engine
    81 Gigneil : As I mentioned, I think even the 777 is too much for a lot of this at this time. 787s should be their focus... that way they can offer daily services
    82 AM744 : I'll second that. I can totally see 773ERs to MAD and CDG. Even NRT and PVG could use them if those routes turn out to be succesful and our economy g
    83 EddieDude : This is very interesting news; thanks for the link. I have to wonder, however, how MX's alliance with AA and IB has affected the number of passengers
    84 Ghost77 : More than flying passengers to South American i'm sure MX is taking germans to all Mexico, Central American and the Caribbean, of course, there must
    85 EddieDude : I agree with you Ghost, but the article that Fyano linked expressly mentions that LH wants to strengthen its relationship with MX so as to provide be
    86 Wolflair : One has to bear in mind that for Germans, South America is anything south of the Mexico-US border, so for that purpose I am sure LH is talking about
    87 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Flights to both PVG and NRT are quite longer than the named tracks to Europe. The altitude in MEX is an issue against the comfortable range for the s
    88 Adriaticus : This is where a B772LR comes in handy... Despite strong headwinds all the way and altitude restrictions ex-MEX, a B772LR can indeed handle those long
    89 Wolflair : I wouldn't be that sure about the 77L being a better opcion. The 77L provides additional range thankgs to the redesigned wing (i.e. less drag/fuel co
    90 Post contains images LH498 : Nice interview, thanks for posting it. It's great to read that LH's interest in Mexico is still there and that the partnership with MX is not in dang
    91 Wolflair : He may know, but the question to be asked would be: Wenn es um Mexiko geht, wie viele Nachrichtenagenturen benutzen das Wort "Suedamerika" statt "Nor
    92 Ucunnn2 : Aint gonna happen. MX left Star Alliance mainly because poor results with its major maket which is the U.S. and United AIrlines didnt really do well
    93 Post contains images LH498 : Du triffst den Nagel auf den Kopf mit diesen Beispiel. Although recently they have improved and mention Mexico as belonging to Latin-America or even
    94 SJOtoLIR : AM is expecting the 787 some years onward for their long-hauls. The usage of such new equipment may likely avoid the layover in TIJ, for those flight
    95 Post contains images Adriaticus : Wolflair, whereas all you said above is true for the most part (and by this I mean to say I reckon you speak authoritatively), it would be worth fact
    96 Worldrider : A350-9 would be the best fit as a 772ER/LR replacement, since Boeing does not have the 787-1000 on the market yet.. time for AM to order something el
    97 Ghost77 : We have a second B767-300ER coming to the fleet from GECAS due for January 2008, its ex. PR-BRW from BRA with PW4060 engines. Does anybody knows if it
    98 LACA773 : Ghost77, Thanks for the information. I'm glad I brought up the fact there are some 76Xs becoming available very soon and am very happy to see AM taki
    99 Adriaticus : And strangely enough, nobody seems to be leveraging on its advantageous geographical position and natural attractiveness as a stopover / O&D destinat
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