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BA Cancels Flight, Crew Claimed To Be Drunk  
User currently offline814NAS From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 24 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13633 times:

According to the BBC, Friday's British Airways flight, BA1503 Manchester-New York, was cancelled after police followed up reports that the cabin crew were partying in a city centre hotel til the early hours of Friday morning. The flight was due to leave at 10am that morning. The report also states that the pilots were not implicated.

Check out the link for the full story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/7111059.stm

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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13639 times:

BA should have a better control over their crews. Things like this should not happen.


Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 498 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13613 times:

Long as the crew was not intoxicated and they stopped drinking 8 hours prior.. let them party!


CAL........Continental Airlines....... Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offline814NAS From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13585 times:



Quoting CAL (Reply 2):
Long as the crew was not intoxicated and they stopped drinking 8 hours prior.. let them party!

According to the report the crew were still apparently still partying with less than six hours til flight time.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2790 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13577 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
BA should have a better control over their crews. Things like this should not happen.

So, for a crew which is away from its home base, in a hotel, what are you suggesting? an Air Nanny?  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31580 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13546 times:

How does partying implicate that they were drunk.The crew could just be enjoying the Music & fullfill the required sober period prior to flight.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 864 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13536 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
BA should have a better control over their crews. Things like this should not happen.

Please note, this was merely an allegation and there is nothing in the BBC report to say that it was true. BA cancelled the flight as a precaution, after being made aware of the allegation.

Crew members are adults and have to take responsibility for their actions, if the allegations are true then it is up to the member or members of the crew responsible and I am sure that they will be dealt with by BA internal procedures.

Please note that the police have said no offences were committed and there is no further police involvment.

[Edited 2007-11-24 11:40:00]

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13536 times:

Have worked at a hotel where we had crews from a few different airlines staying over. By far, BA was the worst. Partying and drinking into the early morning hours, even disturbing other guests...... moving hotel plants into hotel elevator for fun and stuff. Worse than children.


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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 901 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13502 times:

I do not understand the reason for crews to party like this in public or even private. They have an important job to undertake and if they do not want the responsibility then they need to get out of the job.

User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1288 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13410 times:

I think the word 'allegedly' ought to be used in this thread as BA will not take kindly to this being quoted as fact!

User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13410 times:



Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 8):
I do not understand the reason for crews to party like this in public or even private. They have an important job to undertake and if they do not want the responsibility then they need to get out of the job.

So you mean that crews cant party??? What life is that???



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User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13281 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
BA should have a better control over their crews. Things like this should not happen

Its in no way confirmed that it did happen! An anonymous call was made to the Police. I work for the police and you would be very surprised over how many malicious calls are made. Innocent untill proven guilty.



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13248 times:



Quoting BY188B (Reply 11):
Its in no way confirmed that it did happen!

Okey, so this is just a guess from BBC???



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2196 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13217 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
BA should have a better control over their crews. Things like this should not happen.

What measures would  point  YOU use in controlling the crews?

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
How does partying implicate that they were drunk.The crew could just be enjoying the Music & fullfill the required sober period prior to flight.

Nicely said! Anonymous allegations and no Police action taken. Someone have an agenda here?  scratchchin 

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 6):
Please note, this was merely an allegation and there is nothing in the BBC report to say that it was true. BA cancelled the flight as a precaution, after being made aware of the allegation.

Crew members are adults and have to take responsibility for their actions, if the allegations are true then it is up to the member or members of the crew responsible and I am sure that they will be dealt with by BA internal procedures.

Please note that the police have said no offences were committed and there is no further police involvment.

Oh no. More facts.  thumbsup  You'll never make it as a tabloid editor.  praise 

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 8):
I do not understand the reason for crews to party like this in public or even private. They have an important job to undertake and if they do not want the responsibility then they need to get out of the job.

Your first 4 words say a lot. Along with not understanding, you do not have all of the facts necessary to judge yet. None of us do.

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 9):
I think the word 'allegedly' ought to be used in this thread as BA will not take kindly to this being quoted as fact!

I agree with you on the "allegedly" as these employees haven't had their say yet. BA will have no recourse other than contradictory press releases.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13037 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 13):
What measures would YOU use in controlling the crews?

I dont know because that is not my work



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User currently offlineCRJ200FAGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13037 times:

I believe if the police would check who made the call. They would find out it came from the home of someone named R. Branson.  Smile

User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13030 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 4):
So, for a crew which is away from its home base, in a hotel, what are you suggesting? an Air Nanny?

For crewmembers who do this sort of thing, I guess we can't expect all of them to be responsible away from the nest.  sarcastic 

Quoting Airmale (Reply 7):
moving hotel plants into hotel elevator for fun and stuff.

 rotfl  Good, simple stuff.

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 13):
BA will have no recourse other than contradictory press releases.

Stinks that appearances make for reality in some people's eyes, eh?


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12977 times:



Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 8):
They have an important job to undertake and if they do not want the responsibility then they need to get out of the job.

Maybe it is the responsibilities and stress that causes cabin crew to want to party when they can! I mean doctors and nurses are some of the biggest party goers I know of... Simply to offload some of the more difficult aspects of their job aside for an evening!


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2196 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12758 times:



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 16):
Stinks that appearances make for reality in some people's eyes, eh?

Yep! How'd that song about TV news go?....."give us dirty laundry"

Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
I dont know because that is not my work

The line of work is irrelevant. You suggested controlling a group of people in their off time. What measures do you think a company, any company, should be permitted to take in controlling employee behavior or lifestyle?



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2050 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12658 times:

An allegation was made in the arly hours of the morning. BA, to my mind, made a quite good response. They could have just ignored the allegation, let the crew report for work, do drug and alcohol tests and then find they had a problem. Note it says in the article that the crew never even reported for duty. By acting promptly BA good make it's own further internal investiagtions and at the same time it had plenty of time to make the necessary arrangements to get the passengers from MAN routed via LHR onto other flights. An inconvenience for those passengers, but less of one than if the flight was cancelled say an hour before departure.

Lots of perception in all this, and even if the crew did nothing wrong they appeared to whomever made the tip off to be doing something they shouldn't I work in the railways and we have a very strict drug and alcohol policy. In addition, it is constantly stated that it is our responsibility to ensure we are fit for duty. So if the crew weren't drinking did they really have to be up so late? Or if they were and felt it would not affect their duties, then maybe it's a case of being more discrete. They may not have been on duty but they were being paid by their company to stay in that hotel.



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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12527 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
What life is that???



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 18):
You suggested controlling a group of people in their off time. What measures do you think a company, any company, should be permitted to take in controlling employee behavior or lifestyle?



Uhhhh... I'm all for controlling a very large group of people in their " off time " as you so quaintly put it.

I dont want my ATC personnel showing up drunk, or police , or surgeon, or my kids teachers showing up drunk or stoned during work.... and many other professionals, if not all professionals ( everybody else too I suppose ) should show up for work sober.

This crew could have partied for 12 days straight, and that would be fine with me... but if they end their partying too close to the morning that they have to show up at work, then its a safety issue.

So the idea of "controlling people" in non work hours is really designed to make sure employees show up for work not drunk, and not under the influence of any other drug. Whats wrong with that?


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12527 times:



Quoting CAL (Reply 2):
Long as the crew was not intoxicated and they stopped drinking 8 hours prior.. let them party!

So long as they weren't drinking....and would be fit to fly .....fine.

That is a matter for BA's investigation. BA took steps, obviously they will investigate. I can't believe the crew is unaware of the rules.......and remember, NO ONE has yet to be charged with wrong doing.

As others have said, you have to expect adults to behave like adults. If they can't, they lose their jobs. It is as simple as that. Remember, others recently have been accused of drinking and it turned out not to be true. I'm sure the BA investigation will resolve any questions about fitness to fly.

Way to go BA for stepping in quickly.

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2790 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12506 times:

The alcohol issue will be tested, tried and a verdict reached.

What really worries me is that these cabin crew positioned up to Manchester the day before, and then, whether they were drinking or not, they were found in the bar of a hotel at 0415, when their hotel pick-up was scheduled for no later than 0730 prior to a 1000 departure to JFK (7hrs 50 block).

For me, fatigue is the immediate  redflag  here. Would they have been fit and refreshed for duty? How would they have coped with an emergency situation/evacuation?

Undoubtedly, their actions are now public knowledge, and they have brought the company who pays their wages into disrepute.

Shamu



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12320 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
BA should have a better control over their crews.

What do you mean, "control over their crews"?

When crew members are off duty, as long as they are out of uniform, they are free to do whatever they like as long as it is legal.



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User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12032 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 23):
When crew members are off duty, as long as they are out of uniform, they are free to do whatever they like as long as it is legal.

That's clearly not true, for airline staff or anyone else working in a position that carries/poses any kind of responsibility for the safety/wellbeing of others. All such jobs will have fairly strict conditions of ableness, and a person doing such a job will have a contractual obligation to satisfy those conditions, so no, they are no free to do whatever they like in their 'off' time when it is immediately prior to clocking back on again.

Actually, the title of this thread is a bit ambiguous, I though initially that the crew had dismissed themselves!  banghead 

Riv'



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25 Post contains images SPREE34 : I never suggested, or said there was anything wrong with that. (above quote) I asked about the measures one thinks should be permitted. I'll quote th
26 IAirAllie : That would be during work hours not their off time. These last two weeks would be a perfect example. To many redeye flights and I am totally backward
27 BY188B : of course not, read the source again, and then read my post again. Both of them state an anonymous phone call was made to police.
28 AlanUK : Not quite true... the MAN-JFK flights are operated by LHR crew on a "W" leg: Day 1: LHR-EWR Day 2: JFK-MAN Day 4: MAN-JFK Day 6: EWR-LHR So they didn
29 Davescj : Why is this called a "W" route? Because airports between connections aren't the same? Doesn't it make it more expensive for BA to have to do this kin
30 EK20 : Officers received an anonymous tip-off that eight crew members had been drinking at the Arora International hotel in Princess Street at 4.15am yesterd
31 StealthZ : Makes some sense to me, with the main crew domicile being London(I presume) it gives more flexibility in scheduling. The costs in NYC transferring be
32 StealthZ : Makes some sense to me, with the main crew domicile being London(I presume) it gives more flexibility in scheduling. The costs in NYC transferring be
33 Mozart : Funny how those alcohol-related stories, be it crews or pax, tend to come from the same few countries most of the time, UK being one of them. Certainl
34 Theginge : Leaving aside the Manchester 'Incident' with fatigue do you expect all crews operating all long haul flights have been able to manage an 8 hour sleep
35 Rwy04LGA : Hence the word 'claimed'. It didn't say crew 'was' drunk.
36 LTBEWR : BA took the actions they did when they got some tip of such beheavor. They will investigate further and take the appropiate actions upon completion un
37 Davescj : I wonder how much of this is the idea that scandal sells papers? I'm not sure (personally) that this is a bigger problem in the UK (or US) than anywh
38 Beaucaire : Strangely enough countries who produce for instance large quantity of wine like France,Italy or Spain do have a very "reasonable" amount of drunks or
39 Edina : Since BA sold the BAConnect operation to FlyBe there have been no BA crews based in MAN. BAConnect (formerly CitiExpress & BA Regional) used to crew
40 Mortyman : I believe there was a BA crew that were held back at Oslo Airport Gardermoen in Norway some years back, because they were drunk... So if this story is
41 TymnBalewne : LHR...MAN...LHR -------------------------- ..X.......X.......X.. ...X.....XX.....X... ....X...X..X...X.... .....X.X....X.X.... ......X........X.....
42 Wrighbrothers : Ah yes I saw this in a newspaper yesterday, my grandmother flew down with them on their repositioning flight to LHR yesterday (not that she was one of
43 ADXMatt : There are regulations in place. If you violate them and get caught there are consequences. By BA having the crew remain at the hotel was a blessing f
44 IAirAllie : Not really that funny. Those countries carry a higher percentage of the overall global flying. Statisticaly based on the number of flights they fly y
45 Post contains images Mozart : Sounds very much like what I wrote in that other forum But I still agree. Actually there are countries which have higher number of incidents (Russia)
46 Davescj : Isn't that a violation of the employee regs? And in so doing, I"m sure a penalty discipline if anything actually happened -- which still hasn't been
47 Wrighbrothers : I'm not 100% sure, however, as far as I'm aware, it's only disciplinary if they report for duty drunk,. if, like in this case, you do not actually tu
48 Art : Perhaps someone got tired of the noise the crew was making which was disturbing them or preventing them sleeping and decided make a call to get the c
49 VS239 : Way O-T answer - "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World". Come to think of it, not far off the truth.
50 Bongodog1964 : Its certainly not an "offence" to call in sick for genuine reasons; if however it is proven that they would have been unfit for duty due to drinking/
51 VV701 : No. An anonymous person did report at 04.15 am that the BA cabin crew were partying. The police reported this to BA. BA cancelled the flight and conf
52 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : Errm, someone called the police and said "hey, there's a BA crew partying/drinking in the bar" at 0415. Police statement to press confirms as such. W
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