Jcavinato From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 16519 times:
In the late 1950s the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey wanted to build a super-airport to handle the growth that the then Idlewild (now JFK) would not be able to handle in the late 20th century. This was to have been built in what was called the Great Swamp area of New Jersey, and it would have bounded Chatham, Madison, Basking Ridge, Morristown, and Meyersville and Stirling on the south. It would have taken out what is called Green Village. Size wise it would have been about what DFW is today.
Local opposition as well as political irritation over the head of the Port Authority (a self appointed dictator who seemed accountable to no one) killed the project by about 1961. My parents were very active in fighting it. They attended many meetings and got state and federal officials involved. The angle that killed the airport was getting the area declared a national wildlife refuge. If it was later in the decade, it also would have been killed for it being one of the largest wetlands in the U.S.
My question is: are there any other "ghost" or never-built airports like that anywhere else in the world? In know some previous threads include South New Jersey and outside Miami. But, others?
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 12015 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16499 times:
In the UK I can think of one major one; London East, which was due to be constructed on marshland to the East of London. I seem to remember the main reason why this never went ahead was controversy regarding the ecology and wildlife in the area. There was also a proposition for a floating airport to be built off the Dutch coast to relieve the pressure from Schipol, which would have been linked by an undersea tunnel to the existing AMS. It would have been constructed around a central circular concrete 'island' and would have rotated depending on the direction of the wind so that the runway was always correctly lined. I believe it was the cost and practicality of construction which put pay to this idea, for now.
There are several more I can think of on a local level where I live; Plymouth has had at least three proposals. Firstly there was a plan for a large airport in North East Cornwall, although this never went ahead, secondly another plan was put forwards for an airport the the East of the city, again though this was blocked by local residents and finally another plan was recently drawn up for a large airport on one of the last remaining suitable sites near to the city, but this has now been designated for housing - so we'll be stuck with the tiny old airport forever now it seems.
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DZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 493 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16483 times:
Quoting Jcavinato (Thread starter): This was to have been built in what was called the Great Swamp area of New Jersey, and it would have bounded Chatham, Madison, Basking Ridge, Morristown, and Meyersville and Stirling on the south.
The only thing you're now allowed to build in those areas are multi-million dollar homes. that area along with bedminster and harding are the second or third richest areas in the country.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4220 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16412 times:
I'll defer to long time Houston residents on this (especially on the exact details), however I seem to recall reading about plans to build a new commercial airport on the west side of Houston (I believe near Katy) to give residents on the then booming west side another option from the long commutes to either IAH and HOU. The area that was proposed was on protected wetlands and the local Sierra Club quickly put a kibosh by threating to take the issue to court.
Whatever happened top Palmdale as a replacement for LAX?
XJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16254 times:
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 4): I'll defer to long time Houston residents on this (especially on the exact details), however I seem to recall reading about plans to build a new commercial airport on the west side of Houston (I believe near Katy) to give residents on the then booming west side another option from the long commutes to either IAH and HOU. The area that was proposed was on protected wetlands and the local Sierra Club quickly put a kibosh by threating to take the issue to court.
Well we are getting an airport that will handle smaller jets very soon. A single investor with lots of money is going to build this site for the oil business on the west side of Houston. My understanding is the first runway will be able to handle 50 seat aircraft and smaller. I will see if I can find the link.
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3187 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16216 times:
The new San Diego Airport comes to mind. It will probably never get built due to all the different issues it is facing. A couple interesting proposals were building an airport on the American/Mexican border to be shared by San Diego and Tijuana. Another was to build one way out in the desert and take people out there by underground hyper speed rail, and of course Miramar, which was shot down.
There was talk in the late 1980s/1990s about building a second airport in Detroit area in Macomb County somewhere since Macomb County is the opposite side of town from DTW. Another proposal was to close Selfridge as a military base and turn it into a commercial airport but that got shot down. It looks like FNT is becoming the second Detroit area airport as people from Macomb County and northern Oakland use it.
DAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16155 times:
Sometime back in the late 70's/early 80's was the first time plans came up to build a new intercontinental airport for Hamburg close to the village of Kaltenkirchen, a good 13 miles north of the location of HAM. People were expecting too limited movements at HAM due to its intersecting runways, so they brought up the longterm proposal for a new airport to be build with 2 parallel runways, with the pax terminal and cargo areas all in between the runways, similar to MUC or BBI, with enough land "put aside" for 2 further runways. Sadly, building that airport would have required a few trees to be cut down, so all the treehuggers came out of their moleholes and protested the hell out of it till the plan was put to death. The topic occassionally comes up every once in a while, but sadly nothing ever comes of it. Considering that Hamburg could have had a MUC-style airport a decade before the new MUC airport was build, chances are HAM would nowadays be LH's second major hub.
Scorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16086 times:
In Sydney there is Badgery's creek airport that has been talked about for 20+ years. Adding the 3rd runway took off some of the pressure but SYD gets crowded at certain times of the day. Having lived in cities with multiple airports and cities with one, the sooner we can get a second airport the better - providing some competition to macquarie bank!
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2208 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16006 times:
In South Florida there were two attempts.....one failed attempt ended up with only one runway out in the Glades to replace MIA. The second was to replace both FLL and MIA with one super airport out west on the Dade/Broward border....however Broward pulled out first and the whole thing collapsed.
PITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3455 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15982 times:
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1): There was much discussion in the 60's and 70's about building a Chicago airport in Lake Michigan
Cleveland also had similar proposals for an airport island in Lake Erie.
Quoting Scorpy (Reply 10): n Sydney there is Badgery's creek airport that has been talked about for 20+ years. Adding the 3rd runway took off some of the pressure but SYD gets crowded at certain times of the day. Having lived in cities with multiple airports and cities with one, the sooner we can get a second airport the better - providing some competition to macquarie bank!
They should lift the artificial cap on movements at SYD before they even think about a second airport. As long as SYD's airfield operates well below design capacity, a second airport is a waste.
Hagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15978 times:
I would add a 'super-airport' ( YMX ), which was actually built but unfortunately, not used as initially planned. YMX was a visionary idea, but only time was able to proof that YUL was difficult to replace, given its convenient location from downtown Montreal. I therefore believe that the Canadian government's decision to name YUL before YMX's 'brain' (ex Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau) was a correct one as he wanted to give Montreal a world-class airport 'for the future' without forcing a YUL shutdown. The final course of action was decided by the airlines and people from Montreal, and that decision was to stay at YUL.
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As long as PIT continues its dramatic decline, I don't see a need for this airport when PIT can handle the air cargo objectives of this airport; in addition to adding the midwest to the potential catchment area.
PA officials are quick to blast US Airways for leaving PIT, but then they themselves turn around to support this unnecessary airport which would damage future cargo development at PIT even more.
As long as PIT sits between the northeast and midwest, and has 4 long and underutilized runways - there is no need for this airport in Luzerne County, PA.
EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4973 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15914 times:
There was a project in Buenos Aires during the 90's to build the "Aeroisla", an airport on the Rio de la Plata that if my memory is correct was supposed to unify all traffic, meaning that all operations of AEP and EZE would end in this new airport.
ThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15609 times:
After the crash of KAL 801 back in August 1997, there was some discussion of moving flights from GUM to Anderson Air Force Base only because the approach path didn't fly over as many houses as the current one. The talks didn't last so long but probably just came up as an issue that if another airliner crashed while trying to land on GUM, it could possibly crash into one of the many residential areas lying on both ends of the approach paths.
In Palau, I believe either late last year or earlier this year, there were plans for the island of Peleliu to be developed by this Asian firm (I forget the name) into this futuristic-looking paradise. It's called the Nautilius Project. Essentially, the entire island would become a tourist attraction featuring a mall, golf courses, hotels, and a new airport for Palau that would overshadow ROR and be capable of handling bigger aircraft like 747s. There was an artists' rendition of the island in one of the Palauan papers but alas, I forgot to clip it out. I think the project was rejected altogether. I can't recall.
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Czbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 1006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 15378 times:
Twice in Vancouver, BC, there has twice been discussion about building a new airport at Spanish Banks, today a very popular beach looking North toward the mountains and the downtown core and due north of the existing YVR. 1928 and 1962. Reference to the City of Vancouver Archives
The beach itself is very wide and the need for landfill would have been minimal for the runway.
No chance of it being built today now. Multi-million dollar houses line the beach as well as the beach being a very popular destination.
Zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5607 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 15308 times:
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 11): In South Florida there were two attempts.....one failed attempt ended up with only one runway out in the Glades to replace MIA. The second was to replace both FLL and MIA with one super airport out west on the Dade/Broward border....however Broward pulled out first and the whole thing collapsed.
My how times have changed! Back in the late 60s the Boeing 2707 SST was taking off and, in South Florida in the Everglades at the Big Cypress Swamp there were grand plans to build the biggest airport in the world at least at that time.
Hope y'all enjoyed that 60s sketch. And the project on the Dade/Broward border is where Pro Player stadium is today!
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10401 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 15292 times:
Kaltenkirchen/Hamburg was in the mid 70s. The States of Hamburg and Schleswig-Holstein had bought the land around the village of Nuetzen already. Unfortunately, they did not have a politician with the visions and the power a Franz-Jospeh Strauss had.. Chance missed for one of the wealthiest European regions to have a state-of-the art airport.
Another, may be little known project, was the replacement for DUS at a village called "Drensteinfurth". That is somewhere in the triangle of PAD/DTM/FMO. Now, OK, making these 3 airports into one would make some sense. Making this a replacement for DUS was idiotic, too far away to carry the name.DUS. In this case, it was good that short sighted politicians were unable to push this through.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15241 times:
There are drawings floating around on the internet as to the proposal to move SAN from Lindbergh Field to a joint-use facility at Miramar. Mention the word "passenger aircraft" or "civilian traffic" and you immediately get half the population thinking "high noise" and "lower property values". Couple that with being "at war" and you have proponents screaming treason at even SUGGESTING it, and you've got an airpor that will NEVER be.
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Pvdcmhoz From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15174 times:
in the early 1990s there was a plan to replace TF Green (PVD) and to relieve BOS with Uxbridge/Douglas Int'l Airport. The proposed airport would have been in MA in the town of Uxbridge and Douglas (right over the RI border). There was also plans to replace or compliment with facilities in Fitchburg (Ft Daverns) or Otis AFB... i could be wrong but this is before MHT and PVD expanded......
AussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 14937 times:
Don't know if this counts, but there was also at one time a plan to land fill the area between the current LGA and Rikers Island to create a larger airport in NYC. It probably never even made it to the Environmental Impact Study stage. I know it wasn't popular.
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