Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
CO Summer 08 Schedule To Europe  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

Today CO has updated its long-haul schedule for the next summer season with some interesting changes. Although something might still change, this is likely a pretty much finalized schedule regarding flights to Europe.



NEWARK

CO 70 EWR AMS 764 daily
CO 102 EWR AMS 757 daily
CO 68 EWR ARN 757 daily
CO 104 EWR ATH 764 daily
CO 120 EWR BCN 757 daily
CO 94 EWR BFS 757 daily
CO 26 EWR BHX 757 daily
CO 76 EWR BRS 757 daily
CO 60 EWR BRU 764 daily
CO 56 EWR CDG 777 daily
CO 138 EWR CDG 757 daily
CO 54 EWR CDG 757 daily
CO 110 EWR CGN 757 daily
CO 122 EWR CPH 757 daily
CO 22 EWR DUB 757 daily
CO 126 EWR DUB 757 daily
CO 36 EWR EDI 757 daily
CO 108 EWR EDI 757 daily
CO 40 EWR FCO 777 daily
CO 42 EWR FCO 762 daily
CO 50 EWR FRA EQV daily (3xw 777 4xw 762)
CO 16 EWR GLA 757 daily
CO 80 EWR GVA 764 daily
CO 74 EWR HAM 757 daily
CO 114 EWR LGW 757 daily
CO 116 EWR LGW 757 daily
CO 18 EWR LHR 762 daily
CO 28 EWR LHR 777 daily
CO 64 EWR LIS 757 daily
CO 62 EWR MAD EQV daily (6xw 762 1xw 757)
CO 144 EWR MAD 757 daily
CO 20 EWR MAN 757 daily
CO 100 EWR MAN 757 daily
CO 44 EWR MXP 764 daiy
CO 38 EWR OSL 757 daily
CO 24 EWR SNN 757 daily
CO 96 EWR TXL 757 daily
CO 78 EWR ZRH 762 daily


HOUSTON
CO 58 IAH AMS 762 4xw
CO 46 IAH AMS 764 daily
CO 10 IAH CDG 777 daily
CO 34 IAH LGW 764 daily
CO 4 IAH LHR 777 daily
CO 32 IAH LHR 762 daily


CLEVELAND
CO 134 CLE CDG 757 daily
CO 66 CLE LGW 757 daily



The most important mid-summer '08 vs '07 highlights are (as things stand at the moment) :

EWR-ATH upgrading to 764 from 762
EWR-BRU downgrading to 764 from 777
EWR-DUB (1st flight) change of equipment, 757 instead of 762
EWR-FCO (1st flight) upgrading to 777 from 764
EWR-FRA downgrading from daily 772 to a mix 772/762 service
EWR-GLA downgrading from 10xweek to daily
EWR-LGW downgrading of equipment due to starting of EWR-LHR services
EWR-LHR new route
EWR-LIS (2nd flight) dropped
EWR-MAD (1st flight) downgrading from 764 to 762
CLE-CDG new route
IAH-LGW downgrading of equipment due to starting of IAH-LHR services
IAH-LHR new route

99 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11167 times:

Disappointed to see DUB get two 757s instead of last year's 767/757, but I can see the 767s are being used on the new LHR routes, which "probably" take priority.

There's always 2009!


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10992 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
EWR-ATH upgrading to 764 from 762

Nice to see the upgrade to ATH. Looks like the route is doing well for them.



Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10974 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
EWR-FCO (1st flight) upgrading to 777 from 764



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
EWR-LHR new route



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
CLE-CDG new route



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
IAH-LHR new route

All VERY beautiful. I assume the addition of the last two 772ERs helped this out? Also, any rumours on what 2009 will bring for CO in Europe?



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10911 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 3):
Also, any rumors on what 2009 will bring for CO in Europe?

Honestly, I am quite surprised that CO didn't try EWR-VCE, seeing as how DL has ATL/JFK-VCE and US has PHL-VCE both with 763ERs and 762ERs. GCM shows EWR-VCE as 4169 miles, which could be done by a 752, but it would have to have severe weight restrictions. On the other hand, they could do it with any 767 as well. Maybe this is a future 787 route?



"Reading departure signs in some big airports reminds me of the places I've been"
User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10853 times:

i'd like to know what our contingency plan is for our EWR-PVG service is going to be.  Confused


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineJustloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1040 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10826 times:

CO has 20 777's...how many destinations do they have for these (I am guessing the 6 Europe routes plus the IAH Narita and EWR to Narita, Hong Kong, Peking, Dehli and Mumbai)?

It appears a total of 12 routes (6 Europe, 6 Asia and India).

How do these 20 planes fill 12 routes? That's less than 2 planes per route. Looks like they need those 789's pretty bad.


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2018 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10763 times:

Weren't we told that CLE-CDG was a no go? Is that just a seasonal route??

User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10755 times:

Wow...does any other US carrier have such extensive own-metal coverage in Europe???

Very impressive. Excellent use of their B757s (although perhaps not for the customers).


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10737 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 8):
Wow...does any other US carrier have such extensive own-metal coverage in Europe???

DL is the other US airline with extensive coverage of Europe. In fact, DL is actually larger than CO across the Atlantic and, if I'm not mistaken, offers both more destinations and more flights. Nevertheless, both airlines offer very impressive US-Europe service.



Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10733 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
In fact, DL is actually larger than CO across the Atlantic and, if I'm not mistaken, offers both more destinations and more flights

Not too sure about that, although they are both very close, and Im also wondering, if PA was ever this big in Europe?



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2588 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10694 times:



Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 4):
Honestly, I am quite surprised that CO didn't try EWR-VCE, seeing as how DL has ATL/JFK-VCE and US has PHL-VCE both with 763ERs and 762ERs. GCM shows EWR-VCE as 4169 miles, which could be done by a 752, but it would have to have severe weight restrictions. On the other hand, they could do it with any 767 as well. Maybe this is a future 787 route?

First, you have to understand that CO is short of 752 and widebodies and the schedule shows it. Where is this info available and is it final?

But, CGM shows EWR-VIE at 4253, almost 300 miles more than TXL-EWR. However, I don't see why CO doesn't consider flying fly 752 aircraft in the summer to PRG, MUC and VIE. With less headwinds, they could fly with 752 aircraft daily in the summer and switch to something like 5 per week with 762 aircraft in the winter. Two 762's could operate 5 per week to three destinations if you use a Saturday aircraft to provide the 15th weekly frequency with the two units. To release 762 aircraft, CO would need to reduce some markets to less than daily in the off-season and downgrade MAD to 752 aircraft. There sure aren't many widebodies flying on 752 capable routes except BRU (F loads) 1 CDG and 2 LHR.

Of course, there have been big time delays in EWR on many summer days. To minimize the impact on 752 aircraft arriving in EWR, CO should time these flights as early as possible to ovoid as much ATC and thunderstorm delays as possible.

If the 739ER or 738 deliveries are releasing 752 aircraft from domestic, it isn't much as the only added frequencies are CLE-CDG, EWR-LHR/LGW net 1 RT, IAH-LHR/LGW net 1 RT while EWR-LIS loses a flight. That's a net of only 2 roundtirps TATL and only 1 aircraft needed as HNL-NGO will provide a unit..


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10682 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
Not too sure about that, although they are both very close, and Im also wondering, if PA was ever this big in Europe?

DL does by far actually, (and no PA never had that big a network) here's DL's 08' summer schedule (in same format as posted above):

ATLANTA

DL 38 ATL AMS 764 daily
DL 138 ATL ATH 763 daily
DL 114 ATL BCN 763 daily
DL 124 ATL BRU 763 daily
DL 68 ATL CPH 763 daily
DL 176 ATL DUB 763 daily
DL 24 ATL DUS 763 6xw
DL 14 ATL FRA 763 daily
DL 20 ATL FRA 763 daily
DL 12 ATL LGW 763 daily
DL 58 ATL LGW 763 daily
DL 178 ATL LHR 763 daily
DL 108 ATL MAD 763 daily
DL 64 ATL MAN 764 daily
DL 74 ATL MXP 764 daily
DL 46 ATL SVO 763 daily
DL 130 ATL MUC 763 daily
DL 28 ATL CDG 763 daily
DL 22 ATL CDG 764 daily
DL 62 ATL PRG 763 4xw
DL 70 ATL FCO 763 daily
DL 172 ATL ARN 763 daily
DL 116 ATL STR 763 daily
DL 180 ATL VCE 763 4xw
DL 40 ATL VIE 763 4xw
DL 66 ATL ZRH 763 daily

CINCINNATI

DL 36 CVG LGW 763 daily
DL 44 CVG CDG 763 daily
DL 48 CVG FRA 763 daily
DL 42 CVG AMS 752 daily
DL 32 CVG FCO 763 daily

NEW YORK-JFK

DL 80 JFK AMS 763 daily
DL 132 JFK ATH 763 daily
DL 92 JFK BCN 763 daily
DL 78 JFK TXL 763 daily
DL 140 JFK BRU 752 daily
DL 134 JFK OTP 763 4xw
DL 98 JFK BUD 763 4xw
DL 112 JFK DUB 763 daily
DL 96 JFK EDI 752 daily
DL 106 JFK FRA 752 daily
DL 72 JFK ATH 763 daily
DL 88 JFK KBP 763 4xw
DL 3 JFK LGW 763 daily
DL 5 JFK LHR 763 daily
DL 1 JFK LHR 763 daily
DL 174 JFK LYS 752 4xw
DL 126 JFK MAD 763 daily
DL 162 JFK AGP 752 daily
DL 154 JFK MAN 752 daily
DL 84 JFK MXP 763 daily
DL 30 JFK SVO 763 daily
DL 82 JFK NCE 763 daily
DL 118 JFK CDG 752 daily
DL 54 JFK ORY 752 daily
DL 136 JFK PSA 763 5xw
DL 148 JFK FCO 763 daily
DL 160 JFK FCO 763 daily
DL 102 JFK SNN 752 daily
DL 150 JFK VCE 763 daily

SALT LAKE CITY

DL 170 SLC CDG 763 daily

DL's quite a bit larger than CO over the Atlantic, with 61 flights to CO's 46 daily. DL also serves 35 airports in Europe to CO's 28, though taking out different airports DL serves 33 destinations to CO's 27. Still, both definitely now have the largest Atlantic networks of all American airlines, with DL's being the largest Atlantic network period.

Jeremy


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2588 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10668 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
In fact, DL is actually larger than CO across the Atlantic and, if I'm not mistaken, offers both more destinations and more flights

Not too sure about that, although they are both very close, and Im also wondering, if PA was ever this big in Europe?

DL has more flights out of ATL and more widebodies, so I think they would win out on ASMs. Maybe CO has more flights and/or more airports served. And DL has several airports in Asia and Africa that do not count as Europe.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10640 times:



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 13):
DL has more flights out of ATL and more widebodies, so I think they would win out on ASMs. Maybe CO has more flights and/or more airports served. And DL has several airports in Asia and Africa that do not count as Europe

I was just going for TATL from the NYC area, lol, I forgot about ATL and CVG, and now SLC. But then youd also have to add in IAH TATLs and the one or two from CLE.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10639 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
Im also wondering, if PA was ever this big in Europe?

Not in absolute rpm/asm, but at PA's peak, their share of the whole transatlantic market was almost 40%. Neither CO nor DL comes close to that.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10594 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
DL 72 JFK ATH 763 daily


That should read JFK IST  Wink



Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlineBrisseDK From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10478 times:

That is two quite impresive schedules!

When will we see DL move in on JFK-CPH? JFK is the 3rd largest destination from CPH not currently being served non-stop by any scheduled carrier according to http://www.cph.dk/cph/go.aspx?MsmGo....470336&query=top+25&hiword=25+top+

Regards,
BJ



Frequent flyer based in CPH - mostly heading to: OSL, HEL, KEF, FAE and EWR
User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10357 times:

With regards to EDI, talk of daily B764/4x weekly B752, or 2x daily B752 from end of March instead of beginning of May don't appear to have materialised yet. CO109 showing a slightly earlier departure time of 1230 as opposed to 1240 that it's been the past few of years.
I wouldn't be surprised to see furthur changes though.

[Edited 2007-11-25 02:13:06]

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10246 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
Today CO has updated its long-haul schedule for the next summer season with some interesting changes. Although something might still change, this is likely a pretty much finalized schedule regarding flights to Europe.

Good research, but CO's Summer 2008 transatlantic schedule is far from final. CO is not done, just yet, and there are a few announcements to come.....including a few surprises as far as routes and airplanes. CO will continue to update schedules: CO's late winter schedule is still being reviewed and updated at this time, thus, we will see more changes for the Summer 2008 especially when it comes to aircraft allocations which are subject to lots of changes.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):

i'd like to know what our contingency plan is for our EWR-PVG service is going to be.

There is a creative and unexpected solution.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 11):
But, CGM shows EWR-VIE at 4253, almost 300 miles more than TXL-EWR. However, I don't see why CO doesn't consider flying fly 752 aircraft in the summer to PRG, MUC and VIE. With less headwinds, they could fly with 752 aircraft daily in the summer and switch to something like 5 per week with 762 aircraft in the winter

CO really does not want to go beyond 4000 miles with the 752, its an operational headache even during the summer when winds are less of an issue (generally) but Newark weather and ATC issues become more problematic. That being said, we could see an ""exception"" to this rule when new routes for Summer 2008 are announced.

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 7):
Weren't we told that CLE-CDG was a no go? Is that just a seasonal route??

I guess that you were told wrong. (There was an a.net rumor about this, started by posters that do not think highly of CO....but it was just nonense.) CLE-CDG is certainly a go, and it will be seasonal, at least for the first year of operation.

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 8):
Very impressive. Excellent use of their B757s (although perhaps not for the customers).

Being that the 757s go out filled everyday with satisfied pax, I guess that the 757 is not a problem....isnt it time that we give the 757 across the Atlantic discussion a rest?

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 18):
I wouldn't be surprised to see furthur changes though

You wont be disappointed.


User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10182 times:



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19):
Being that the 757s go out filled everyday with satisfied pax, I guess that the 757 is not a problem....isnt it time that we give the 757 across the Atlantic discussion a rest?

And you are basing this on emperical research I take it? I.e. that these passengers have a higher repurchase intent and propensity to recommend than those on other airlines (after all, this is the true measure of customer satisfaction)?


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10159 times:



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19):
we could see an ""exception"" to this rule when new routes for Summer 2008 are announced.

Any rumors about the new routes? I wish CO is at least considering flying to VIE.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10161 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 20):

And you are basing this on emperical research I take it? I.e. that these passengers have a higher repurchase intent and propensity to recommend than those on other airlines (after all, this is the true measure of customer satisfaction)?

Full airplanes, profits, and customer satisfaction ratings, and the like at CO all seem to indicate that flying the 757 on TATL flights is a rather good idea.....especially considering that 757 operations give customers more choice and, in many cases, allow nonstop service to be financially viable and allow pax to avoid connections and hubs. While the a.net crowd is obsessed with widebodies and IFE, real world passengers look for convenience and nonstop flights, thus, 757 TATL services are a very good thing.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 10155 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 21):
Any rumors about the new routes? I wish CO is at least considering flying to VIE.


I really cant share that info, sorry, there are plans for new routes for Summer 2208. CO has been considering flying to VIE for years.

[Edited 2007-11-25 04:10:15]

User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 10093 times:



Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 6):
CO has 20 777's...how many destinations do they have for these (I am guessing the 6 Europe routes plus the IAH Narita and EWR to Narita, Hong Kong, Peking, Dehli and Mumbai)?

EWR-TLV-EWR 2x daily


25 ContinentalEWR : Interesting to see both MXP and FCO upgraded to 764 and 777 from EWR. CO flew the 777's into both cities when they first started operating the 777's a
26 WorldTraveler : note that DL's list does not include any domestic configured 764s operating to Europe for the summer as it has done for the last couple years. DL will
27 B747forever : Great to see that CO will go daily to ARN.
28 Someone83 : Did they not go daily this summer? On both CPH and OSL, CO flies daily in th summer and 4x weekly (CPH) and 5x weekly (OSL) in the winter
29 Triley1057 : I assume nothing new is coming from IAH?
30 BrisseDK : CPH is also 5x weekly during winter. Only wed and sat without service departing CPH. Regards, BJ
31 B747forever : I cant remember actually. maybe CO goes daily during the summers and 5x weekly during the winters.
32 Post contains images Horvik89 : I was just wonderng, CO was seeking to start flights from EWR-DME (moscow) last summer. Then they pushed it back to April 2007, then all went quiet. N
33 Dutchjet : Moscow will start-up just as soon as a 767 is available.
34 Post contains images Horvik89 : At the moment Moscow is an extremly good oppertunity for CO, especially from IAH due to the oiling industry. The traffic between Moscow and IAH is hug
35 CALPSAFltSkeds : Dutch: Is there at least one 762 tied up in EWR-IAH services that can be released by new 738/739ER deliveries so that EWR-DME or another longer Europ
36 Nyskymasters : Actually, AA is going to be operating Moscow from Chicago, not JFK.
37 Horvik89 : Really? From ORD? I must have been misinformed... This yet again gives a bigger reason to start flight to DME then. When would a 762 be freed up?
38 Post contains images Dutchjet : If launched, Moscow will be served from EWR, not IAH. Simple, CO does not have a larger aircraft available for the LHR routes. Hi. Its my understandi
39 STT757 : Where's the 767-400 from HNL-Nagoya, is that already factored in?
40 Dutchjet : Its not factored into the on-line schedules as currently posted....look at the schedules posted above, dont see many flights scheduled with the 764 j
41 STT757 : There's another one now, LAX-Honolulu loses the 767-400 in March, goes to a 757-200. So now there are two 767-400s that have been freed up, neither o
42 AirPortugal310 : This saddens me a just a little bit. I was hoping that LIS has some more potential, but TP's two daily in the summer (and a flight to OPO ?)and CO's
43 LIPZ : If I'm right CO has already operated with 764 to MXP the past summer. All CO's european destinations are served daily (or more) during the summer, St
44 Post contains images CALMSP : is it finally in the schedule now?? this has been known internally for quite some time, as was the LAX-NGO a/c..........I would like to see a 75B and
45 CALMSP : coming out of ATH during the middle of the summer?? Yes!!
46 L1011Lover : And if you take into account PA's huge intra-Europe and intra-German services combined with their transatlantic operation they definitely had a more
47 FlyCaledonian : I'm sure there is a chance CO may be able to snatch extra slot pairs, or if bookings are good look at doing something to increase capacity at LHR. On
48 Post contains images Mir : By 2208, CO will probably be flying Boeing 949 hypersonic transports on the EWR-VIE route. Travel time: 2 hours.
49 Horvik89 : "So now there are two 767-400s that have been freed up" now as stated that they are freed up, why cant they just add a 764 to the ewr-lhr route instea
50 FFlyer : Just let the "exception" mean that HEL might still happen!
51 FUN2FLY : One of these is spoken for in the LHR moves. Thus, one free one.
52 JFK787NYC : Continental would do great on EWR-DME I personally can't wait for this flight as both Skyteam carriers fly only to SVO but SVO is a transferring night
53 CO787EWR : The EWR-BRU downgrade was expected because CO told us that it would be heading to India once they were allowed to fly there. As of now aren't all the
54 Post contains images Horvik89 : Yeah, Continental Airlines seems to be doing well in Europe at the moment, i flew TLV-EWR this summer on the T7, great flight. There was an incident d
55 MasseyBrown : The 773 rumor needs to be considered. Since more than one reliable witness says Kellner is the source of the 773 talk, we have to assume that CO is at
56 ManchesterMAN : What happened to the second BHX flight? Did they have 2 flights this year or was the second flight dropped earlier?
57 STT757 : There may be some Leasing companies with early '08 777-300ER delivery slots.
58 Diesel33 : Anyone with any ideas as to why ship 130 (AVOD in Y) does not fly beyond the UK? Are there some weight issues that prevent it from flying to their mor
59 Viscount724 : If I recall correctly, TW was the largest US-Europe operator in total capacity for quite a few years.
60 MasseyBrown : You are correct; early in the jet age, TW was disadvantaged by a lack of jet aircraft - that was really PA's transatlantic peak. When TW acquired suf
61 CALPSAFltSkeds : ATH-EWR 4956 What's the runway situation at ATH with 100F temperatures? EWR-HNL 4962 AMS-IAH 5012 Boeing website states range at 6,473 miles I though
62 Jfk777 : What about Cairo, Amman, Tel Aviv and Istanbul ?
63 CALPSAFltSkeds : Is the LAX-HNL route going 752 for sure? PC timetable doesn't show it. If that happens HNL goes from a 767 maintenance base to one with a trhu flight
64 OA412 : Both runways are 13000 feet long and the airport is pretty close to sea level so I don't believe there should be much problem in operating the flight
65 STT757 : March 28th is the last day for the 767-400 on LAX-HNL, try booking LAX-HNL on or after March 29th and you will see the 757-200. Again it makes sense
66 Nuggetsyl : Only the ata aircraft can do it since ours 757-300 do not have etops. I would not be surprised to see cal try to get etops ratings for our 757-300s.
67 AC888YOW : Very interesting to see the 764 operating to Athens. At the very least I'll see it in Athens, but I may just consider flying them to check out the ra
68 STT757 : That makes sense, I did not know the 757-300s delivered to CO did not have ETOPs certification. Hopefully they will start getting them certified so t
69 WorldTraveler : The schedules quoted above apparently do not reflect either carriers' schedules outside of Europe. If that is considered, DL has a number of addition
70 FUN2FLY : I think GECAS just leased one to Air Canada for April 2009 delivery. That would have been a nice one to grab. Not sure who else has any available. I'
71 DLBOIFIN : Yeah, HEL starts to be one of the last European capitals without any US carriers. The market is definitely underserved! I am sure AY is enjoying this
72 Toxtethogrady : It bothers me that IAH-MAD is still not a scheduled flight. CO still hasn't figured out how to take advantage of all that traffic from Latin America t
73 Dutchjet : Someday. Pre-9/11, pre-TSA, pre Homeland Security regulations, CO thought that IAH-MAD would be an important route; as you say moving pax travelling
74 ScottishLaddie : BHX operated daily in the summer just past too. I don't think this is true, for example, I've seen it operating routes to Scandanavia in previous wee
75 Panamair : DL's JFK-LYS starts July 15 2008 and will be a daily service. Pan Am never had as many daily nonstops between the US and Europe as DL and CO currentl
76 B752OS : I am surprised that CO does not fly to VIE from EWR. I agree with you here. 752s definately open things up for airlines in a positive way. In my mind
77 MAH4546 : Not really. Madrid is very well connected to South and Central America, and with competition on many key routes, competitively priced. The flights ar
78 Rdwootty : Poor old BHX has got the short straw again as they did have a 2 flight operation then limited days ands then dropped. I suspect that CO would really l
79 Basrabob : What is very noticeable in all of the discussions is no mention of the NW schedules , I am still amazed that they haven't said anything about their ne
80 Post contains images Yellowtail : I think this is an understatement. those IB 343's and 346's go packed packed packed Or it could be half full Seriously....is there proof of this..I d
81 BY738 : Its a similar story at GLA and EDI albeit loads are always good from both. DL JFK from EDI will no doubt break the camels back in some form or other
82 ScottishLaddie : It's not true BRS loads are normally pretty healthy, certainly not half empty. CO aren't expecting DL to hit them much at all. I suppose some of the
83 WorldTraveler : Delta Connection does quite a bit of Mexico service too. Not sure on balance who "wins" that contest. The reality is that DL is a larger airline over
84 LO231 : The CO rep visited our office and told the same thing, they need 777 there more, but BRU hopes for 777 to come back, as it went packed all the time f
85 LIPZ : I am not so sure this is strictly related to India flights consolidation. The impression I get is that CO has chosen to put this 777 to Rome instead
86 CALMSP : it would be nice to keep the 777 there, but there most likely wont be any 777 service for a long time to come. All 20 of ours are spoken for on route
87 CALPSAFltSkeds : If I recall correctly, this is what happened last summer: (Correct me if I'm wrong) BHX had one daily and something like a 4 day operation. It wasn't
88 CODC10 : In terms of daily departures and ASMs, CO is the largest US-based carrier to Mexico. American is also ahead of Delta in most categories to Mexico as
89 Col : What about a third 752 to MAN, or capacity increase. I believe those two 752's are always pretty full. No other carrier seems to be increasing capacit
90 RedEye : I think AA is still #1 to Mexico in terms of ASMs (someone please correct me if I'm wrong - but I think the #s have been posted before proving it), d
91 EWRCabincrew : 30 destinations (if I am not mistaken) Loreto Los Cabos Chihuahua Monclova Torreon Monterrey Durango Mazatlan Aguacalientes Tampico Veracruz Guadalaj
92 CODC10 : A previous poster offered these numbers from 9/2007: AA: 2,316,730 (includes Eagle) CO: 2,559,751 (includes ExpressJet) The numbers quoted are RPMs,
93 CODC10 : I can't emphasize 'roughly' enough, as my multiple uses of the word in that previous post would attest!
94 L1011Lover : That's exatly what I meant by saying "take into account PA's huge intra-Europe and intra-German (IGS) services. Best regards L1011Lover
95 MasseyBrown : Thanks to the UK's CAA, we don't have to guess at this. Assuming a daily 175-seat 757 EWR-BRS round trip, CO carried an average per flight of 143 pax
96 ThePalauan : That shouldn't be too much of an issue. The 764 arriving in the afternoon from HNL will just sit on the ground until the next morning and then it'll
97 WorldTraveler : Once again, each airline has particular strengths in certain regions of the world, including CO. Nonetheless, the size order of the big six US airlin
98 STT757 : The 757-200s should stay at EWR to continue to expand Trans-Atlantic flying, either send some of the former ATA 757-300s or acquire some additional 7
99 CALPSAFltSkeds : Based on CO's widebody shortage, I tend to agree with you if cargo is not a huge deal on the GUM-NRT route. It would be most likely that more 738 air
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Help With CO/ONEPASS C-Class Award To Europe posted Thu Sep 6 2007 05:53:41 by ASTROJET707
Monarch Launches Summer 08 Schedule From BHX posted Wed Aug 8 2007 11:50:47 by Revo
Flights To Europe - Summer Vs Winter posted Wed Jun 14 2006 18:31:41 by Cloudboy
Weird Schedule From Europe To TUN: Did It Work? posted Tue Aug 23 2005 14:12:39 by Tolosy
757's To Europe-CO CLE To LGW & EWR To PRG? posted Mon May 2 2005 07:24:16 by SANSCOTT744
CO Widebody Usage To Europe posted Thu Mar 17 2005 23:03:52 by RAmerinianair
NW/CO Codeshare To Europe? posted Wed Aug 6 2003 00:33:50 by Lear777
KLM To Adjust Summer 2003 Schedule posted Mon Feb 3 2003 08:36:46 by LJ
Orient Thai (OX) Summer Schedule To HKG posted Wed Jul 10 2002 17:25:15 by CX773
KL, CO Or NW To Europe posted Wed Mar 13 2002 06:02:24 by Nickofatlanta