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TG A340-600 To LAX Via KIX, What A Mess!  
User currently offlineThaiA345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 877 posts, RR: 16
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13948 times:

Hi Guys,

It came to my attention that from the 1st week of Jan onwards, it shows TG using A346 a/c on the LAX runs via KIX on Tue and Thur. Therefore reducing the direct nonstops by the A345, However, when you try to book an F seat on the A346 its not possible, even my travel agents tried to check it up and they said F is not bookable!!

Don't tell me that TG has planned to put the A346 on the route and then now its thinking of pulling it out again?

Hope someone can shed some light on this!

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32899 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13830 times:

It is extremely possible, and quite likely, that they are not selling a first-class product on the route, and simply letting the eight First seats they have go to full-fare business passengers. It's a way to save costs and be consistent across the line, since the non-stop LAX-BKK 345 flights have no F service.


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13686 times:



Quoting ThaiA345 (Thread starter):
It came to my attention that from the 1st week of Jan onwards, it shows TG using A346 a/c on the LAX runs via KIX on Tue and Thur. Therefore reducing the direct nonstops by the A345

Is this in addition to the nonstop, or replacing it?

And, by the way - the BKK-KIX-LAX flight is a direct flight, BKK-LAX is nonstop; while a nonstop is technically also direct, a direct flight must not necessarily be nonstop.



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13621 times:

Probably 1 A340-500 in maintenance, 346 sold as 2 class.


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User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13596 times:

and??? in what way is the A346 guilty?

User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13456 times:

has the A346 spread a kinda malign virus to Thai's booking system?  scratchchin 

User currently offlineThaiA345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 877 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13323 times:



Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 3):
Probably 1 A340-500 in maintenance, 346 sold as 2 class.

Maybe, because on such a long haul I really want to be in F, but no one knows what is going on, especially TG staff! IF its really sold as a 2 class, how can I get into the F seats? I am currently booked in J but on Econ price with my GOld ROP upgrades!

Quoting Worldrider (Reply 4):
and??? in what way is the A346 guilty?

not guilty! ...I am always waiting for them to put a F product on the LAX route !


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13113 times:



Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 6):
IF its really sold as a 2 class, how can I get into the F seats? I am currently booked in J but on Econ price with my GOld ROP upgrades!

Yes it's sold as 2-class. Call and ask for a seat in rows 1 or 2. Big grin



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7646 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12825 times:

Is LAX-KIX bookable, or does it have to be all the way through to BKK?


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4774 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12487 times:
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Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 6):
Maybe, because on such a long haul I really want to be in F, but no one knows what is going on, especially TG staff! IF its really sold as a 2 class, how can I get into the F seats? I am currently booked in J but on Econ price with my GOld ROP upgrades!

then you probably won't be near the top of their upgrade list to get to the front seats if you are actually paying Y price


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11627 times:



Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 6):
not guilty! ...I am always waiting for them to put a F product on the LAX route !

Doesn't the A345 offer 4 Classes of service including F?

Quoting ThaiA345 (Thread starter):
However, when you try to book an F seat on the A346 its not possible, even my travel agents tried to check it up and they said F is not bookable!!

My assumption would be that the seats will be given away to Thai Gold members and something higher given there is somethign like this in their frequent flyer program. Swiss is using an A340 on their TLV flights which has 3 Classes however F is not offered on those flights. The 8 F seats are given away for Senator and Hon Circle members and the seats are usually first available when check in opens or even first at the Gate on a first come first serve basis.


User currently offlineVTBDflyer From Thailand, joined Aug 2006, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10713 times:



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 10):
Doesn't the A345 offer 4 Classes of service including F?

Nope, it's only 3 classes. Business, premium eco, and eco on the A345.

VTBD



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8391 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10614 times:
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Thai has always had low yields on the LAX flights. For years when they operated 747 via Japan they sold F as J & J as full Y. I thought with the A340-500 flights nonstop to both JFK and LAX they would attract a higher yield mix.

This an airline that shouldn't fly to the USA given the western location of Thailand in Asia as B angkok is more a tourist destination then a financial one. Hong Kong and Singapore are the heavy financial centers in SE Asia, bringning an bankers premuim in air fares.


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10447 times:

I think to the USA BA also sell some routes as Y, Y+, and J. Even though the plane has F seats, they are only used in J sell out AND they need to move people up. In those cases, the F cabin is catered as a J cabin -- only the seats are F. Could be that TG is doing something similar.

If you want F, I'd go on the non stop.

Just my thinking.

Dave



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10311 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 13):
If you want F, I'd go on the non stop.

Nonstop has J seats, not F seats



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User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2449 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10156 times:

Thai's booking engine leaves something to be desired. When their A345's just came on the scene it was "next to impossible" to book Premium Economy.


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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10121 times:



Quoting Malaysia (Reply 14):
Nonstop has J seats, not F seats

Oopps....sorry.......You're right.

Dave



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User currently offlineAvi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7301 times:
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well, I can tell you that when I was on these flights this past summer, they subbed an A346 on the LAX-BKK portion of my trip. I had a business class ticket and my friend had a prem economy ticket.

They bumped him to business since there is no prem econ on the A346.

They then bumped the frequent fliers from J into the F cabin. maybe that will be the case here?



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User currently offlineNYCbased From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Was checking the schedule on Sabre for TG's BKK LAX route.

I took random dates in Feb. '08. I did not see the "new" flight X/KIX. All I found was a daily non-stop (TG794) alternating 345 TUE-THU-SAT (no F class seats) 346 MON-WED-FRI-SUN (F class seats on rows 1-2). Interestengly, although TG publishes a "F" class fare, the "F" inventory code availability does not appear when retrieving TG794 when operating 346. So, if I "sell" "C" space and "view" the seat map, I see rows 1-2. However, the eight seat in 1-2-1 config are all blocked! NIce perk for the crew, when TG does not UPG their best customers!

Best,

Guido


User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

TG has 4 A345’s to do daily flights to both LAX and JFK. From 8 Jan – 21 Feb, one of the aircraft will be in maintenance.

With the flight time to/from JFK about 17h, the 346 couldn’t make it non-stop even one way. However, LAX is only about 14h40m outbound which allows the A346 to go non-stop to LAX and via KIX as a tech stop on the return flight LAX-BKK.

This was also done by TG last year for maintenance. This has nothing to do with any type of service to KIX.

SQ has also done a tech stop from LAX-SIN when one of their 345’s was in maintenance.


User currently offlineMfamguy79 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5857 times:
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Does anyone have the timings for these flights? I'm scheduled to fly LAX-BKK-LAX in the middle of January. I'm wondering if my flights are affected and what the flight times will be if there is a stop in KIX.

Thanks,
Naveen



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User currently offlineThaiA345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 877 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5607 times:



Quoting Mfamguy79 (Reply 20):
Does anyone have the timings for these flights? I'm scheduled to fly LAX-BKK-LAX in the middle of January. I'm wondering if my flights are affected and what the flight times will be if there is a stop in KIX.

Hi there, as mentioned by Bkkair, this is probably due for maintenance reasons, thats why you get to see the A346 for the periods of Jan -Feb. Outbound will not require a stop in KIX, but on LAX-BKK, a tech stop of around 45 mins will be done in KIX. If you want to get on the A346, the operating days are Tue and Thu


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5243 times:



Quoting Trex8 (Reply 9):
then you probably won't be near the top of their upgrade list to get to the front seats if you are actually paying Y price



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 10):
My assumption would be that the seats will be given away to Thai Gold members and something higher given there is somethign like this in their frequent flyer program.

Usually given to any C pax if asked.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
For years when they operated 747 via Japan they sold F as J & J as full Y.

No. 7441 sold as F/C/Y as on any other route apart from ARN/CPH.



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User currently offlineThaiA345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 877 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4428 times:



Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 22):
No. 7441 sold as F/C/Y as on any other route apart from ARN/CPH.

That is correct, this was way back when even the retrofits weren't done yet. I was quite often on those flights to LAX via KIX and had to purchase outright F tickets. Those F were even worse than the ones on the ARN/CPH routes, with no PTV whatsoever!


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5344 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

And during this period of time some ZRH and MUC flights will run with 744s hopefully the upgraded ones in F and C. Thats where TG are getting the 346 from to run the LAX flights.

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 19):
SQ has also done a tech stop from LAX-SIN when one of their 345’s was in maintenance.

Atleast SQ have 5 345's but yes they did have 2 out of service at one stage and ran 772ER's with a tech stop at TPE on a few flights.

I don't know who is running TG but they should pick up another 345.


25 Workhorse : What about this lone 346 that has yet to be delivered to TG? Does anyone know when its delivery is scheduled? (To get back on topic): I also find it s
26 Post contains images ThaiA345 : Well, this is TG after all! sometimes you never know what kind of management thinking they have! Just look at their aircraft mix and you will know!
27 LACA773 : Slightly off topic, Wasn't there discussion of SQ pulling the 345s out of service and using a 77L or 77W on the SIN-LAX-SIN trip? We all know SQ hasn
28 N1120A : If it was both ways, I would assume that it would be bookable as TG has traffic rights, but since it is a one way tech stop, no. Even if that were tr
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