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Anyone Flown AA Out Of STN?  
User currently offlineBarnesy2006 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

As the topic says has anyone here flown on American Airlines yet out of Stansted? How was it compared to other london airports? Is the route proving a success and will there be any more routes launched except the obvious twice daily to JFK?

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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4965 times:



Quoting Barnesy2006 (Thread starter):
Is the route proving a success and will there be any more routes launched except the obvious twice daily to JFK?

I hope ORD is announced. Thats the only one which seems obvious to me which could be launched. LAX is already served with Maxjet, who I heard are looking to serve MIA....BOS I think is already covered and is too small a market to add any extra flights to...same with DFW. So that really leaves ORD, which isn't served from STN....but was previously. Plus, ORD is a major AA hub for connecting flights whereas BOS, for example, is much smaller.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4903 times:



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 1):
I hope ORD is announced.

I think ORD-STN is really dependent on BA and AA getting ATI. There's no need for 9 daily flights to LHR between them, but AA can make a case for the frequency they offer with the lack of reciprocal benefits on TATL flights.



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User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

We were looking at loads before the holiday rush and they were very poor. I dont remember the exact loads, but I do remember laughing and saying thats the non-rev shuttle to the LON area. ORD might be a choice AA could think about, but I think their eyes are set on LHR at thins point in time.

User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4630 times:



Quoting AEroc (Reply 3):
We were looking at loads before the holiday rush and they were very poor.

I wouldn't say 'very poor'. All flights are averaging 75% at the moment so its not too bad.

Quoting Barnesy2006 (Thread starter):
will there be any more routes launched except the obvious twice daily to JFK?

ORD and Washington (?) are rumoured from the secong half of next year once services are moved from LGW.

Will try and find out more info at work today.



D.


User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4601 times:



Quoting AEroc (Reply 3):
do remember laughing and saying thats the non-rev shuttle to the LON area

Not really, since you can't be in J for the first 3 months of the STN service. The loads to LHR/LGW have not been heavy lately, much better to nonrev to LON on those.


I remember, the first couple of JFK-STN flights left with ~Y20 pax. Now, the loads are much better.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32179 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4596 times:



Quoting Trent900 (Reply 4):

ORD and Washington (?) are rumoured from the secong half of next year once services are moved from LGW.

IAD-STN on AA? Not happening. Also, the only services moving from LGW are one DFW-LGW flight and the RDU-LGW flight. AA will continue to fly to Gatwick from Dallas, daily.

I doubt AA will launch more STN-USA routes unless, for example, Maxjet goes into MIA or ORD.



a.
User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4570 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
IAD-STN on AA? Not happening. Also, the only services moving from LGW are one DFW-LGW flight and the RDU-LGW flight. AA will continue to fly to Gatwick from Dallas, daily.

Thanks for the info. Will find out more today.

D.


User currently offlineBarnesy2006 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Thanks for the replies, keep me updated with anymore news on STN as i really would like to see it succeed as a full fares airport aswell as the usual low cost.

User currently offlineMjlhou From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

I've also checked the loads into STN for the holiday season closer to X-Mas, and while the flight appears to be pretty full, the reason they were embargoed non-rev travel in J class was in order to try to better compete with MY and the J-class cabin are the ONLY seats that are NOT selling off. The day I checked, I believe was Friday the 21st, Y class was just about full with NO J-class seats booked at the time I checked.

MJL



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4203 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
I think ORD-STN is really dependent on BA and AA getting ATI.

Sorry, could you explain what ATI is please? Excuse my ignorance...


User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4189 times:



Quoting 44k (Reply 5):
I remember, the first couple of JFK-STN flights left with ~Y20 pax. Now, the loads are much better.

I didnt mean to step on any toes and say that STN service is a wash, but that was about the time we were looking at the loads....about a week into the service.


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

I know this will be hard to find in the records (due to no interlining) but are these flights mostly O&D London or making connections (onto different tickets, obviously) onto low-fare airlines like Ryanair? Or is it a good mix?

User currently offlineBarnesy2006 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Had a look this morning and the pax load was 223, i guess near capacity but i don't know what there 763's hold?

[Edited 2007-11-27 14:54:46]

User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 791 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3867 times:



Quoting 44k (Reply 5):
LHR/LGW have not been heavy lately, much better to nonrev to LON on those.

We've been full on 155/156 and 108/109 (BOS-LHR-BOS) the last few weeks, in fact full in the J cabins most days.

Matt


User currently offlineSTNDEICER From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3707 times:



Quoting Barnesy2006 (Reply 13):
i guess near capacity but i don't know what there 763's hold?

I believe they hold 255 pax in the Y and J class config


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3676 times:



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 10):
Sorry, could you explain what ATI is please? Excuse my ignorance...

Anti Trust Immunity.

Currently, BA and AA cannot officially cooperate across the Atlantic. That means: they cannot code share, they cannot align schedules, and they cannot make pricing or revenue sharing agreements. When currently AA and BA would make pricing and schedule agreements, they would be charged for forbidden price fixing by the Anti Trust regulators.

Governments can decide to allow two (or more) companies to cooperate and make pricing agreements, and make a combination immune for the Anti Trust regulators: Anti Trust Immunity.

Currently, several airlines have ATI across the Atlantic: KL & NW, AF & DL, UA & LH, AA & AY, to name a few.

AA and BA have not been granted ATI yet, because of Bermuda II: together, they would be too strong @LHR, and they would limit consumer choice. Now Bermuda II will be finished in March, and other airlines can fly from LHR to the USA as well (CO, NW, US and DL have all announced flights), BA and have re-issued a request for ATI.

Regulators can attach preconditions to an ATI, for example, to give up slots at an airport. LH and LX, for example, were allowed to cooperate (and merge), but they needed to give some slots on the FRA-ZRH route to AB.

Personally, I expect BA and AA to get anti trust immunity, but I wouldn't be surprised if they will need to give up a couple of slots at LHR. Mind you that both the American regulators and the European Commission will need to agree.

Another pending application is to merge the AF-DL and KL-NW ATI into one big ATI for AF-KL-DL-NW, possibly even including OK and AZ.

Hope this helps!


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3666 times:



Quoting Barnesy2006 (Reply 8):
Thanks for the replies, keep me updated with anymore news on STN as i really would like to see it succeed as a full fares airport aswell as the usual low cost.

It will definitely will. Not because everybody loves STN, but simply because it is the only airport in the London area that has a good growth perspective. LHR and LGW have hardly any opportunities to grow, while STN is on track to get a second runway in the next decade. I don't expect it to be ready in 2012 (as planned), but it will probably be there before 2020.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Where did AA pull this aircraft from for this route?? If they are expecting to add an additional flight from JFK-STN and maybe a flight from ORD.... Where will AA get these aircraft from?? Who will lose out on these aircraft?

I do think though that AA have actually done something right here by flying into STN as for the biz man, its soo much easier to get to the City from STN than LHR or LGW


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3527 times:



Quoting Barnesy2006 (Reply 13):
Had a look this morning and the pax load was 223, i guess near capacity but i don't know what there 763's hold?

That's at capacity.

Quoting STNDEICER (Reply 15):
I believe they hold 255 pax in the Y and J class config

30J 195Y, 225 total, though that is in the new configuration, old configuration is 30J 183Y, 213 total.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 18):
Where did AA pull this aircraft from for this route?? If they are expecting to add an additional flight from JFK-STN and maybe a flight from ORD.... Where will AA get these aircraft from?? Who will lose out on these aircraft?

Shifting aircraft around. Fewer 767s to Hawaii, more daylight flights to deep South America (Sao Paulo), mixing 767s at Heathrow, dropping DFW-ZRH, MIA-MAN to name a few.


User currently offlineBarnesy2006 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Another good load this morning of 191, seems AA have made a good decision in chosing STN at the moment long hope it continues.

User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3230 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 18):
I do think though that AA have actually done something right here by flying into STN as for the biz man, its so much easier to get to the City from STN than LHR or LGW

I totally agree. I don't understand why other airlines haven't seized on this opportunity, especially BA. The Stansted Express (or whatever it's called these days) is a direct train service that regularly leaves from the airport terminal and arrives at Liverpool St. Station in the heart of the business district, in approximately 30-40 minutes. This should be a huge selling point for business passengers.

For those of you unfamiliar with London, LHR is on completely the other side of London and takes no less than one hour, up to two + during peak hours to travel to. Furthermore, there is no dedicated transport service linking the East of London to Heathrow other than the tube or a combination of the tube/Heathrow Express, both of which involve a change of lines and are extremely time consuming.

Stansted is much smaller than LHR and certainly more attractive from a passenger point of view. It doesn't have the connection possibilities, unless transferring to a low cost airline such as Ryan Air but there is certainly enough O+D traffic between JFK and London to sustain such a service.

The only thing that I can think of is that passengers are travelling to LHR to fly BA, as they are unable to access frequent flier points when using AA. A possibility perhaps??


User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

I was going to post a new thread on this subject - or at least something similar, so I'm glad I did a search!

My wife flew into STN this morning (29th Nov) on American 124 from JFK and commented that the flight had a total of 82 pax on board and so plenty of room on board to spread out.

Having noted that AA are heavily promoting the STN route with extra miles and low J fares and that a second daily is to be added from April 2008; I had wondered if 82 was an anomaly or part of a worrying trend.

I did wonder if AA were enjoying good cargo yields on the route, STN's proximity to the M11 giving good access to East London, the South-East, East Anglia and the Midlands makes it an ideal port for handling cargo - is AA taking advantage of this? Perhaps using cargo to its advantage when pax yields are low?

Regards,
Eurohub



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3126 times:



Quoting Trent900 (Reply 4):
I wouldn't say 'very poor'. All flights are averaging 75% at the moment so its not too bad.

75% of Transatlantic is pretty bad, unless C is 100% full


User currently offlineJimbo27L From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3079 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 18):
its soo much easier to get to the City from STN than LHR or LGW



Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 21):
I totally agree. I don't understand why other airlines haven't seized on this opportunity, especially BA. The Stansted Express (or whatever it's called these days) is a direct train service that regularly leaves from the airport terminal and arrives at Liverpool St. Station in the heart of the business district, in approximately 30-40 minutes. This should be a huge selling point for business passengers.

No.

Using public transport from STN and LGW to The City and Canary Wharf.....(from TFL and National Rail Enquiries)

Gatwick to London Blackfriars (The City)
Journey time: 36-39mins
Frequency: Every 15mins

Blackfriars to Canary Wharf
Journey time: 22-24mins

Gatwick to Canary Wharf
Journey time: 58-63mins (faster if you can get a train from LGW to London Bridge and change to the Jubilee Line for Canary Wharf)

Stansted to London Liverpool Street (The City)
Journey time: 52-58mins
Frequency: Every 15mins

Liverpool Street to Canary Wharf
Journey time: 18-19mins

Stansted to Canary Wharf
Journey time: 70-77mins

Agreed LHR to the CBD's is a nightmare, but I dont understand why people automatically assume LGW is in the middle of nowhere! Also, I suggest people do their homework before championing STN's 'express' rail link.

LGW has more accessible and faster routes from Central London (London Bridge, Blackfriars, St Pancras, City Thameslink, Victoria) than STN (Liverpool St) - FACT.


25 Travatl : I'll champion STN's express rail link. I loved it - and the best part was I went from airplane seat to train seat in about 15 minutes. And the travel
26 Barnesy2006 : Very pleased to hear you enjoyed your experience through Stansted. Stansted Express is advertised as 45 to London which isn't far out.
27 Eghansen : Since this thread concerns flights between the US and Britain, I will put in my two-cents worth. Americans do not take trains or buses at the airport
28 AF022 : I see that LY and TK have started some flights to STN. Is this the way airlines are expanding since LHR is impossible to increase frequencies? Are oth
29 Davehammer : Out of all of the London Airports I've always found travelling out of STN the most hassle free. In terms of Taxi time its definitely the shortest jour
30 Barnesy2006 : I think thats whats known in Britain and probably around the world as a SNOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
31 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : btw-the service was actually great, its the same service you get to ZRH, BRU or CDG (all on 763's). I enjoyed it tremendously, and the fact that I did
32 ORDagent : You obviously don't live in a major metro area. Here in Chicago I'm on the subway for 40 minutes in each direction to and from my office. we also hav
33 Aerofan : why do everyone bitch about LHR. It takes 15 mins from LHR to Paddington on Heathrow Express. I just did a business trip there week before Thanksgivin
34 N1120A : What in the world? Nothing could be farther from the truth. In places where there is good public transport, it is used very heavily. Ever done rush h
35 Aerofan : I think Eghasen was saying this with tongue firmly in cheek
36 8herveg : Where did they suddenly find the space to fit an extra 12 economy seats? Yes, but South Kensington isnt in Londons CBD. LHR is fine for getting to mo
37 N1120A : Or unless the Y class seats are being sold for higher prices.
38 Eghansen : I used to work for a company with headquarters inside the loop in Chicago (Landrum & Brown - aviation consultant to the City of Chicago). At one poin
39 N1120A : Speak for yourself, not all Americans
40 Wj : That is a pretty dumb statement... In fact most passengers use the tube to get to and from the city into LHR. And yes, speak for yourself. And that i
41 Eghansen : Quand je vais a Paris, je prend le train tous le jours. J'aime le train. Je n'est pas un americaine typique. But I know my own countrymen.
42 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : THIS IS HYSTERICAL...Good night ladies and gentlemen, I have to get on the Subway to go home...LMAO....
43 N1120A : I know my own countrymen as well, and when we have the option, Americans use public transport at least as intensively as do people in Europe No, beca
44 CRJ900 : Can AA and other international carriers pick their favourite slot times or do they have to get in line behind Ryanair and take what is available? I ha
45 Avek00 : Actually, don't rule out such a route if and when AA/BA get serious on transatlantic cooperation. A joint venture could well see AA opening routes to
46 ElmoTheHobo : I got my numbers wrong. The aircraft went from 182Y to 195Y. 7 seats were added when More Room Throughout Coach was dropped. Another six seats are be
47 Eghansen : I recently heard on the ABC News that the United States has about 200 million licensed drivers and 214 million registered vehicles. We actually have
48 LAXdude1023 : Its a case by case situation. It really depends on the city. The people on the East Coast seem more likely to take trains than us out west. The train
49 ElmoTheHobo : Look at New York, Chicago, Washington (to some extent). The mass transit systems exist, and people definitely do use them. The issue is that the vast
50 MAH4546 : Premium traffic, probably. If there was a market, they'd do it. In the late 1990s, lacking Heathrow slots, AA thought it would be a good idea to star
51 LAXdude1023 : Do you think DFW-LGW will continue to preform well after DFW-LHR is introduced? If not, at that point would LGW be better served from another gateway
52 Ned Kelly : Most Ryanair & Easyjet flights are outbound at the time the AA & Maxjet flights arrive, the arrivals terminal is virtually empty that time of day.
53 Commavia : I doubt you'll see AA drop DFW-LGW completely, and I'm sure DFW-LGW will still do well, although it may eventually go from a 777 to a 767 if AA can g
54 N1120A : Of course. That is because most cities don't have the public transport they should. Billions that should be spent, because traffic costs us far more.
55 Post contains images Skyhigh : Sorry, I stand corrected. It has been 7 years since I lived in London. 45 minutes is still pretty impressive though. It's good to know that you are p
56 777boy : Well, as a university student who's done all three airports from Mile End (about 2 miles from each the City and Canary Wharf), I'd like to give my inp
57 Commavia : And let's not overly generalize here, tongue, cheek, or otherwise. Plenty of those Ethiopian, Somali and Afghani immigrants aren't taxi drivers, but
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