BNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 380 posts, RR: 3 Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2266 times:
I don't get it. XJ stops posting their T100s, quietly file their objections, someone notices it, the DOT *finally* rules, XJ objects and nothing...this has been going on since 6/1/07 without resolution. Unless this is an inside agreement between XJ and DOT to slow-walk this, I surely don't get it. I understand that gov't takes a long time to get things done, but this is frankly permitting XJ to keep their T100s confidential and it seems that DOT's inaction is tacit approval of their request.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3219 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2170 times:
First of all, what is a T100? Second of all, you seem to be referring to ExpressJet, but use the code for Mesaba (XJ). I'd suggest using a little more detail in your post.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
Drewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2072 times:
ExpressJet (XE) has petitioned to keep the data private in order to prevent others from profiting from their investment. XE has invested a great deal of time and money into researching and developing routes and would like to protect that investment for as long as possible. It's not as if load data is hard to come by in the first place. If someone really wanted to start up ONT-GEG to compete with XE, they could find the XE load data fairly easily.
I'm sure the delay you speak of is a result of some sort of appeal or arbitration regarding the DOT ruling.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21214 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2047 times:
Quoting Drewwright (Reply 3): XE has invested a great deal of time and money into researching and developing routes and would like to protect that investment for as long as possible.
That's funny. Doesn't EVERY carrier invest a great deal of time and money in researching and developing routes?
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2047 times:
Drewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1893 times:
I really want XE to succeed, if for no other reason than to make you naysayers eat your words!
Skybus can suck it as far as I'm concerned...they take airline travel to entirely new lows. XE, however, brings a good product at a reasonable fare to underserved markets, and pays their employees a respectable wage at the same time. This is the type of airline that needs to succeed. And with larger aircraft to grow into and further refinement of the business model, it could be a huge success.
ACVitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 921 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1825 times:
If you want XE to succeed then kiss the low fares away. As many have pointed out the RJ is not a LCC model. Yet XE runs it like one. Hence why they are losing money hand over fist with the most ill concieved plan since I-Air.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22023 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
DOT affirms its previous decision to compeling ExpreesJet to release its traffic data.
Quote: DOT Will Not Overturn ExpressJet T-100 Decision
11/28/2007
The U.S. Transportation Dept. will not reconsider its Sept. 10 decision that rejected ExpressJet's motion to treat operating data for its independent branded flying operation as confidential. DOT said it could not find "a compelling justification for overturning the original denial" of the motions.
FreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 804 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1518 times:
It's interesting that the airline MOST reliant on T-100 data to determine their initial start up routes is the airline fighting tooth and nail to prevent the other carriers from seeing how poorly it's doing.
Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1434 times:
Quoting Drewwright (Reply 7): I really want XE to succeed, if for no other reason than to make you naysayers eat your words!
X-Jet will be a distant memory about as soon as the leases run out on the jungle jets. As a business case, the whole idea of X-Jet is to keep planes that aren't under codeshare agreement flying to at least offset the cost of leases vs. absorbing that cost while the planes collect dust. X-Jet is a stop gap, not an airline with long term objectives.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1407 times:
Well. ExpressJet is actually the former Britt Airways and the policy at Britt Airways that passenger information was NOT made public. Their traffic data was never in any of the Airline Magazines like Air Transport World or Commuter Air.
So I dont think they need to make their traffic figures public to anyone.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1346 times:
Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 10): XE has CASM costs that are 4 times higher than SX based on industry norms.
XE's branded flying's CASM is also three times its RASM apparently
ACVitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 921 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
Quoting Access-Air (Reply 13): Well. ExpressJet is actually the former Britt Airways and the policy at Britt Airways that passenger information was NOT made public. Their traffic data was never in any of the Airline Magazines like Air Transport World or Commuter Air.
So I dont think they need to make their traffic figures public to anyone.
Just MY Two Cents...
Access-Air
I guess you do not care about the rule of law. IT IS THE LAW. Express Jet is not following federal regulations to release the data.
I doubt competitors want to see how much they are losing but rather management is trying to avoid shareholder revolt.
Also... Britt Airways was not around when the DOT data was a required filing.
You better check your six and get up to date as your argument was shot down.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1311 times:
Quoting ACVitale (Reply 16): You better check your six and get up to date as your argument was shot down.
Firstly, You are rude!!!
Secondly, Im stating a historical fact.........and I never said that they werent reporting anything to the DOT which only became the ruling body after the (In my opinion) unfortunate demise of the CAB....It may have to be reporte NOW to the DOT, but back then, Britt Airways was a PRIVATELY held company and was not required to make its traffic results made public!!!! This is from both Bill and and Jim Britt as it came up in covenrsation, face to face this past August!! So theres my contribution...and two cents!!!!!!!!!!
Drewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1297 times:
There are an awful lot of rude people here!
You do bring up a good point, in that Britt was privately held and was not required to provide such stats. With the XJET share price being so low, I would not be at all surprised to see it go private once again with a stock buyback. Better that than a hostile takeover!
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